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		<title>CCY17: Worse than Superman 64</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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I see shit sucked so hard Steve Jobs wouldn&#8217;t let lolikit use the iPhone even if lolikit paid him. Too bad because I think there was an app to fix the fail.
Being bored as all hell I decided to play this lolikit fellow’s game which I have to say sucks…its more of a grind than [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>I see shit sucked so hard Steve Jobs wouldn&#8217;t let lolikit use the iPhone even if lolikit paid him. Too bad because I think there was an app to fix the fail.</em></p>
<p>Being bored as all hell I decided to play this <a href="http://not.dotq.org/2009/07/30/ccy-senpai-wa-17sai-01" target="_blank">lolikit</a> fellow’s game which I have to say sucks…its more of a grind than World of Warcraft and no where near as funny since he goes out of his way to try and top <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU" target="_blank">Leeroy Jenkins</a> and FAILS. Still I guess it is to be expected from an arrogant indy studio seeking to charge 60 USD for episodic gaming, no wonder why <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabe_Newell" target="_blank">Gabe Newell</a> told Studio Lolikit to take his shit to elsewhere. So in this game you go back to fucking high school, the paradise of weeabo dipshits who want to make up for their lost four years and yearn to go back to being some prick who could suck off his parents’ money. For a game that is so in love with high schools it certainly leaves out the <a href="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/School_shooting" target="_blank">best thing you can do in High School as an IRL Troll</a>. All in all typical hippie bullshit I have come to expect from denizens of the People’s Republic of Berkeley. Doubly so for a trustafarian like this self proclaimed Dr. Lolikit (must be a lame attempt at riding Dr. Mario’s coattails) who plays himself in the game but was probably too high to do any voice acting for his tweeker looking furry ass.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ccy-03.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-19588" title="ccy-03" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ccy-03-640x501.jpg" alt="ccy-03" width="640" height="501" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>I liked <a href="http://cjblackwing.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/ccy01/" target="_blank">CJ</a> better when she wasn&#8217;t a part of the master race&#8230;come to think of it <a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/03/renai-blogger-faux-trolling-review/" target="_blank">I liked her more in her last game&#8230;</a></em></p>
<p>So instead of giving you choice you get to be some pink haired scrawny little girly man instead of something cool like a Space Marine or a Master Chief Petty Officer with rebounding health you know something original… I suppose that since this lolikit is a hippie it was too much to hope for some genuine badassery and instead we get a festival of mediocrity of remarks that might seem snide to civilian dipshit but to an enlisted guy like me it seems too fucking polite. Also since the main douche of a protagonist’s name is in red font it is clear that CCY is just a lousy cover for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Party" target="_blank">CCP</a>, I bet lolikit thought he was very clever but I have fought the Red Menace since 1989 I know how the enemy works. Hell even the pink hair was a dead give away to lolikit&#8217;s allegiance to Code Pink&#8230; Despite the sexual spectacles this game is &#8220;sexy&#8221; like like a prudish fat yaoi fangirl&#8230;the sad truth is that there is no sex! Hell there isn&#8217;t even any sexy violence! I played for 100% completion in order to be Korean enough for Starcraft 2 when it comes out and still there was hardly any blood spatter to be found&#8230;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ccy-04.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-19586" title="ccy-04" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ccy-04-640x503.jpg" alt="ccy-04" width="640" height="503" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Hey Owen the scouter only breaks at 9001, it can run negative numbers real well&#8230;though I admit penalizing you with a negative for every time you fap is a bit harsh.</em></p>
<p>Gaming is normally about getting an experience you’d otherwise couldn’t have like blowing up people into little itty bitty pieces while getting Amnesty International crying enough tears to flood the world. Not here though, as it seems to be a game for the auteur, a game not made so much to give a player a good time, but a game made for the creator as a chance to show off how great he is and to wank off to himself. Five minutes in we already see the Marty Stu character of lolikit himself insinuating that he gets to bang one of his students, as usual some big breasted blue eyed blonde haired bimbo, I suppose it is a statement on how much he adores the Master Race (furries in Mein Deutschland indeed). If I wanted to hear about other people having sex I’d watch pr0n instead as at least I can forgo the nasty hairy hippie and have some hawt girl on girl action, but in CCY17 the game doesn’t give you a choice and in order to curry favor with HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED cuts out the sex. I would have given lolikit more points for putting in his little fun time in the chem lab, that way he could be where he rightfully belongs…in jail for distributing child pornography like the Jap fag that he is.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>I asked Alphard and Liang Qi to pass judgement on this game as well&#8230;I was severely punished with airsoft pellets for wasting their time&#8230;</em></p>
<p>Unlike a good game like say Halo 3 or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_nukem_forever" target="_blank">Duke Nukem Forever</a> CCY17 is actually a shitty visual novels made for weeaboo who can’t really play games and can’t beat Nintendogs. As such it’s a boring little game with dialog boxes out the ass and crappy one click combat in which there are no satisfying kills to speak of (Killing this Scott character seemed more like community service since there was no Achievement, come to think of it there were no Achievements period). Instead of a PvP kill count to track how much shit you are not killing you get three numbers which make no sense, I suppose you have to be as high as lolikit to find them funny.</p>
<p>Owen is also the lamest villain ever as he is obviously a lesser version of the famed <a href="http://reubenblog.typepad.com/reubens_blog/2008/11/tapes-are-live.html" target="_blank">Jackal from Far Cry 2</a>. Owen is a shirtless hippie while the Jackal is a learned arms dealer, the gulf in evil is quite jarring in that Owen might as well be making friends with furry forest creatures and sing to birds. Speaking of shitty characters while beautifully designed were a blatant attempt to hide the truly hideous visages of almost all of the characters. I may not personally know them (well I do know Impz and they certainly did not even begin to scratch the service in his regard though I suppose the artist was simply too overawed to do a realistic depiction…which is of course forgivable), nor would I want to, but judging from how the Aegis Combat System is always identifying them with transponder code 7700…along with a huge radar cross-section I suppose that they are quite large… Also for a group that would knowingly try to ride Krauser II’s coattails they certainly don’t look the part, and I am sure that a few laws were broken in the process. I can only hope Krauser II rapes lolikit 11 times as recompense for trying to make money without his permission.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ccy-05.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-19591" title="ccy-05" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ccy-05-640x504.jpg" alt="ccy-05" width="640" height="504" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Who in their right mind would want to learn how to suck gold balls out of garden hoses? Also flashing gang signs are we now lolikit? The Glee Club isn&#8217;t a gang, you don&#8217;t even have guns&#8230;THUG LIFE indeed.</em></p>
<p>While one would expect this to be a full game it turns out to more insidious than an EA franchise as at the very end they promise to bring in more sequels and to bring you the shittiest DLC that would make Oblivion’s Horse Armor look like a bargain. The game is a total rip off despite the pretensions to choice it seems that despite going her or there will always lead you along the same dull paths (all paths lead to incomplete). Also for some reason we have to do stupid shit like troll club when there isn’t a manly mecha fighting club, riflery, EOD, or CQC club. At the end of the day CCY17 is not worth 60 USD for the PC, and there is a very good reason why this isn’t on WiiWare, 360 Arcade, or PSN, namely shit sucks. It’s linear, boring, the one click combat has been done better elsewhere, the writing makes Gears of War look like a Pulitzer Prize winner, and it’s over priced for an episodic game. In short Dr. Lolikit is the Uwe Boll of gaming in that his adaptations suck even when he wrote the original, for the self proclaimed “Serial Troll” the game spends an awful lot of time sucking up to people. Although, since he is a hippie he probably thinks that showering his targets with praise and adoration, and giving their egos a blowjob that he’s “trolling them.”</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Ugh&#8230;do we really have to white knight this chick? Can&#8217;t we just strap a bomb to her and let her blow up the principal&#8217;s office&#8230;</em></p>
<p><strong>I am being overly mean, the game is quite adequate in it&#8217;s beta form and is held back more by restrictions of the visual novel genre than any lack of elan on the part of the developers. Still I hope this actually sees completion as it would be sad if after all those donations it turns out that Studio Lolikit is just another 3-D Realms and takes forever to deliver their game. I suggest playing it for a laugh here or there, but there is still reason to hope that Studio Lolikit will actually survive to complete this project. </strong></p>
<p>In any case the hippie wanted suggestions on how to make the game better so being a veteran gamer I might as well tell the weed smoking hippie how to stop sucking. Well here goes&#8230;</p>
<p>To that dirty old hippie in need of a shave and a haircut:</p>
<p>1.    Needs more weapons and dynamic fisticuffs like Fight Night Round 4 (Don’t tell me you suck more than EA, hippie.) because if I am going to kill Scott I want it to be on screen with my fists breaking his fragile face bit by bit.<br />
2.    Needs more mecha, no seriously stop making homage to crappy harem animu and go with the best genre hippie.<br />
3.    Needs more yuri, it’s fine if he wants to fantasize about other men, but if you want more people to play put in something for men, and all men love yuri. Other wise this game is stuck trying to appeal to fat yaoi fan girls with yaoi paddles, and without lurvin scenes Studio Lolikit will be filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy before Christmas.<br />
4.    You’re an asshole until I’m in the game.<br />
5.    You’re an asshole until Calawain, EO, and lelangir are in the game.<br />
6.    Make Impz more trappy, because right now what you have, while splendidly drawn, does not do his trappiness justice.<br />
7.    Needs Achievements.<br />
8.    Liang Qi-sama wants Wii controls and the ability to import her Mii.<br />
9.    Alphard onee-sama thinks your one click combat sucks you need something more FPS, like V.A.T.S.<br />
10.    Music is lacking you need to level up that <a href="http://lelangir.dotq.org/" target="_blank">deaf lazy chimp of a composer</a> to Yoko Kanno level. Also start with using <em><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PeYNXPHSYA&amp;NR=1" target="_blank">The Winner</a> </em>when turning Scott into a bloody mess and have the ending theme be <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cprKF59KLJ8" target="_blank"><em>10 Years After</em></a>, trust me it will make your game better.<br />
11.    Needs genderbending.<br />
12.    Less furries.<br />
13.    If IKnight is not mecha, it ain’t IKnight.<br />
14.    MOAR Quicktime events.<br />
15.    Get a better writer, at time of writing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhianna_Pratchett" target="_blank">Rhianna Pratchett</a> is kicking your ass.<br />
16.    Seriously how could you not go with a beat’em up?<br />
17.    Let us pick from a number of protagonists other than CCY, he’s a commie and boring as hell.<br />
18.    Your M Rating is misleading, it should be rated E for Everyone like your Marty Stu, call ESRB and get it changed.<br />
19.    How dare you insult Impz by implying that this Omo can be anywhere near as trappy, we all know he’s a fat American Pig…<br />
20.    Needs Prince Ali to kill people randomly to keep the excitement going.<br />
21.    Your physics engine sucks more than Havoc, nothing even bounces…</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ccy-07.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-19593" title="ccy-07" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ccy-07-640x499.jpg" alt="ccy-07" width="640" height="499" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Dude he looks like a terrorist without the rag over his head&#8230;not a terrorist straight out of hell.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ccy-08.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-19594" title="ccy-08" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ccy-08-640x500.jpg" alt="ccy-08" width="640" height="500" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Killing this fool was oddly unsatisfying, I could not bust a cap in his ass watch his blood spurt out in interesting patterns, worst of all there was no Achievement unlocked&#8230;thanks for sucking the fun out of killing people lolikit you fucking hippie.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ccy-09.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-19595" title="ccy-09" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ccy-09-640x503.jpg" alt="ccy-09" width="640" height="503" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>That hardly does Impz justice&#8230;just saying.</em></p>
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		<title>AX 2009 Day Zero: Press Junket</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
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Mein Kaiser Reinhard was sorely disappointed at how they had four different places to hold the press people.
My apologies for having fallen off the face of the Earth, but I was seconded as a vehicle driver and general purpose mule for T-ono.net who generously offered me a chance to go to Anime Expo 2009 for [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Mein Kaiser Reinhard was sorely disappointed at how they had four different places to hold the press people.</em></p>
<p>My apologies for having fallen off the face of the Earth, but I was seconded as a vehicle driver and general purpose mule for <a href="http://www.t-ono.net/" target="_blank">T-ono.net</a> who generously offered me a chance to go to Anime Expo 2009 for free and gave me a place to sleep free of charge in exchange for my services and vehicle. It was a great experience for me and hopefully this will be the first part in a short series about my own experience and misadventures at AX. I skipped <a href="http://www.minimumtempo.com/2009/07/01/anime-expo-2009-meetup-locationtime/" target="_blank">Icystorm’s tweet up and meeting</a> and had to decline AnimeDiet’s offer to chill, but my taskmaster certainly made my lazy ass work. Day Zero was the AX Press Junket that sadly did not go over too well. While it is inevitable that guests would be late there were some galling mistakes that I noticed with the Press Junket. I am not sure if <a href="http://animediet.net/anime-expo-2009/ax-2009-day-0-behind-the-scenes-from-the-cameramans-perspective" target="_blank">Mike and Jeremy from Anime Diet</a> or if <a href="http://www.howagirlfigures.com/" target="_blank">Dancing Queen of How a Girl Figures</a> experienced the same thing, but I am sure they noticed some problems as well.</p>
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<p>From my understanding, limited though it may be, one on one interviews have been replaced with this junket and in all fairness the principle is sound. The problem is not one of strategy, it is one of implementation. This year there were four holding pens for the press groups which was a huge mistake to begin with as the staff had to go between the 3rd and 31st floors looking for press groups. More than once some groups simply fell off the radar and the nominal head of the junket, Mr. Chase Wang, was sweating bullets going between the two towers and the 3rd floor. Since I am interested in scuttlebutt I even heard that Seiji Mizushima, Youske Kuroda, and Yun Kouga had a period of grace where no one interviewed them, despite there being press groups who were idle that did want to have an interview, my hosts being one of them. To remedy this I think they seriously need to consider just emulating the command structure of a Fire Direction Center where by everything goes to one central command post where the lists are kept and a plotting board for the locations of each press group and the status of each of the guests of honor are maintained. If it had gone well then the nominal head should not be running about with his head cut off (probably from being overwhelmed), and instead coordinating everything from a single location from which periodic status can be obtained to update a plotting board, similar to the miniatures they use coordinating the aircraft on a carrier. You simply cannot have four holding pens and expect a good level of coordination without a central command post.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>It seems that Lady Cima was the one in charge of Morning Musme&#8230;</em></p>
<p>Then there was the issue of a bathroom on the 31st floor…having to go down to the second floor was bad enough (third floor bathroom was closed), but having to commandeer Toshiyuki Morikawa’s (a.k.a. Sephiroth) bathroom on occasion is not a sign of proper planning. We got the opportunity to interview Mana of Moi Dix Mois fame (who by the way can speak, because I heard it, and he doesn’t always walk around in costume, also that makes me his prophet so bow down mortals!), but the interview was pretty much sunk by the fact that the translator was simply tired (perhaps there was sufficient reason, but not in my mind a mark of professionalism on her part). I am not clear on the specifics but if a new translator is paired up with a rock star then there will be trouble, as any rock star is almost certainly too much for a rookie to handle. If Mana could deny all recording devices and photography and get away with it then he certainly is a big fish, and all big fish eat little fish of one sort or another. Also another interesting thing was that the Morning Musume translator/leash essentially dictated who could get an interview, whether or not it was because the first two groups were EPIC FAIL or that the leash was simply walking over the AX staff is something I don’t know. Nevertheless it probably did not go JUST AS KEIKAKU.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Not all members of the press met Lady Cima&#8217;s approval for interviewing her charges&#8230;</em></p>
<p>In short AX09 Press Junket is still a wonderful idea in principle, the problem this year was one of implementation. It wasn’t controlled confusion it was confusion, not because the staff weren’t trying hard enough, but just because every one had a radio did not mean everyone knew what was going on. If anything the staff was go above and beyond more than they needed to instead of simply what they were supposed to be doing and that is not right. Had Clausewitz witnessed this he would berate (and fire) those in charge for not taking fog and friction into consideration and above all having no distinguishable command structure at all. However I am willing to offer methods and proposals for a more efficient way of managing their problems of controlled confusion, a sailor method but I am confident it would invariably be better than what they used this year.</p>
<p>Still I learned a few things such as the iPhone voice memo app is a superior than some dedicated voice recorders, Nightow-san and Nishimura-san were quite curious about it when I popped it out.  Lastly Cool shit that happened were that Nightow-san and Nishimura-san did the fusion dance pose, some dude I met pissed in Sephiroths&#8217; bathroom, and Imaishi-san and Nishigori-san were laughing when Morning Musume (who were next door) started singing.</p>
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		<title>Why does everything I like have to be like this</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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Gatoh Shoji, what the fuck are you doing?  Why are you writing anime scripts instead of finishing Full Metal Panic?  Why do you hate your fans so much?  The last book was published more than a year and a half ago, and ended [...]]]></description>
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<p>Gatoh Shoji, what the fuck are you doing?  Why are you writing anime scripts instead of finishing Full Metal Panic?  Why do you hate your fans so much?  The last book was published more than a year and a half ago, and ended on a unsettling, climatic twist.  You already had your fun with GONZO&#8217;s Tower of Druaga, and unless you&#8217;re writing scripts for the next Full Metal Panic anime, you need to get the fuck back to writing novels.</p>
<p>(Because Orion asked so nicely, here&#8217;s a spoiler warning: The following paragraph contains a spoiler that everybody who actually cares about Haruhi probably knows already anyway.  Have a nice day.)</p>
<p>Kadokawa, fuck you, I know what you&#8217;re pulling with this episode.  Some time in the future we&#8217;ll get another episode where Kyon finds out about the endlessly repeating day, probably after you show us this exact same episode again.  The ending will be slightly different, and you&#8217;ll save however much it costs to make 1 episode of anime.  Yes, I have so little esteem in Kadokawa and KyoAni now, I can honestly believe that they would do this.  The new and deproved OP/ED/animation in general makes me RAEG hard.</p>
<p>Tanigawa Nagaru is still sitting on his ass not writing the next Haruhi novel.  No one likes your fucking manga.  It&#8217;s a piece of shit, your mangaka sucks, and WHY WON&#8217;T YOU WRITE MOAR HARUHI.  At least if they got the original character designer, Takeda Hinata, to draw it, it would be worth reading for the art alone.  Actually I don&#8217;t know what I expect out of him anymore, since Haruhi is his only original and good series.  </p>
<p>Eden of the East has movies.  I would rage except I haven&#8217;t been following this show, and won&#8217;t bother until the movies come out on DVD and gets subbed (sometime in 20-FUCK-IT-ALL).  At least March Comes in Like a Lion is still going steadily on.  In terms of other manga, even Skip Beat is going into a bit of a lull, with the current arc boring the shit out of me.  xxxHolic is being affected by Tsubasa&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;m-a-giant-crock-of-shit&#8221; syndrome and has long since became unbearable.  It&#8217;s also pulling the Bleach card with an average of 3 frames a page.</p>
<p>I would rage about Bleach and Naruto, but what&#8217;s the point?  The only Jump manga I get any real joy out of now-a-days is Gintama.  Even One Piece is boring me a bit with its current arc.  While I&#8217;m on the topic of Jump, Shaman King&#8217;s new ending is no better than the old one, and HxH is still on endless hiatus. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s more than enough pointless rage for today.  Time to go play some TF2 and get owned so I can have a reason to rage some more.</p>
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		<title>Japan&#8217;s Top 10 Waifus (and Husbandos)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Calawain</dc:creator>
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Recently, ANN of all places posted this interesting article of a survey conducted in Japan on which anime characters the respondents wished to marry.  Most of the characters on the lists shouldn&#8217;t be particularly surprising, and its somewhat tilted toward currently running shows, but it&#8217;s amusing nonetheless.


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<p>Recently, ANN of all places posted this <a href="http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-06-12/survey/k-on-mio-reborn-hibari-are-no.1-bride-and-groom">interesting article</a> of a survey conducted in Japan on which anime characters the respondents wished to marry.  Most of the characters on the lists shouldn&#8217;t be particularly surprising, and its somewhat tilted toward currently running shows, but it&#8217;s amusing nonetheless.</p>
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<p>For those of you too lazy to click, here&#8217;s the waifu list:</p>
<ol>
<li>Mio Akiyama (<em>K-ON!</em>)</p>
<li>Hinagiku Katsura (<em>Hayate the Combat Butler</em>)
<li>Taiga Aisaka (<em>Toradora!</em>)
<li>Rukia Kuchiki (<em>Bleach</em>)
<li>Yuki Nagato (<em>The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya</em>)
<li>Azusa Nakano (<em>K-ON!</em>)
<li>Chrome Dokuro (<em>Katekyo Hitman Reborn!</em>)
<li>Sheryl Nome (<em>Macross F</em>)
<li>Yui Hirasawa (<em>K-ON!</em>)
<li>Asuka Langley Sohryu (<em>Neon Genesis Evangelion</em>)</ol>
<p>Three of my top 5 waifus are shared (namely Mio, Hinagiku, and Yuki, and not necessarily in that order), but none of the rest approach top waifu status for me.  The other members of my top 5 would be Rin and Kagami, of course.  It&#8217;s unfortunate how fickle fans are, as the majority of choices are from currently running shows.  <em>Toradora</em> was likely still running when this survey was conducted, and <em>Macross F</em> only ended a few months ago with a movie coming up.  As for Eva, Anno is currently releasing all of those new movies that I haven&#8217;t seen&#8230;</p>
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<p>Husbandos:</p>
<ol>
<li>Kyouya Hibari 	(<em>Katekyo Hitman Reborn!</em>)</p>
<li>Gintoki Sakata (<em>Gintama</em>)
<li>Toshiro Hitsugaya (<em>Bleach</em>)
<li>Mukuro Rokudo (<em>Katekyo Hitman Reborn!</em>)
<li>Sougo Okita (<em>Gintama</em>)
<li>Date Masamune (<em>Sengoku Basara</em>)
<li>Tsunayoshi Sawada (<em>Katekyo Hitman Reborn!</em>)
<li>Ichigo Kurosaki (<em>Bleach</em>)
<li>Sebastian Michaelis 	(<em>Kuroshitsuji</em>)
<li>Toushirou Hijikata (<em>Gintama</em>)</ol>
<p>What also amuses me is the popularity of the <em>Gintama</em> men.  I mean, the show&#8217;s humor is very, very low brow, with tons of toilet and sex humor.  I would have figured that females would be turned off by that kind of material.  Perhaps they are just so enamored with the sexy men that they don&#8217;t care?  Is that like me watching <em>K-ON</em> because of Mio even though I find the quasi-plot to be dull and often just stupid?</p>
<p>Well readers, what are your thoughts and selections?</p>
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		<title>Two Years On and I Need a Recharge&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://that.animeblogger.net/2009/05/28/two-years-on-and-i-need-a-recharge/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 06:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
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I have lots to do&#8230;
I won’t lie I think I am suffering a bit of this burn out thing after roughly two years of being the tl;dr guy I hope to recharge my batteries soon and get back to business as usual, but it seems the perpetual boredom of military life is going to be [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>I have lots to do&#8230;</em></p>
<p>I won’t lie I think I am suffering a bit of this burn out thing after roughly two years of being the tl;dr guy I hope to recharge my batteries soon and get back to business as usual, but it seems the perpetual boredom of military life is going to be beyond my reach for the time being, assuming that everything goes according to my supervisors’ plans I will be out and about frolicking from one base to another across the country attending classes real soon methinks. Even when I am not moving about, as a newly minted E-5 as my first real responsibility I get to mentor an E-3 who seems to be having a bit of the troubles, professionally and perhaps otherwise. Then there is the issue of my family… Still I hope to be doing some VOTOMS posts real soon and catch up with the rest of the season. I suppose this is more for myself as once this gets published I will have to try and meet these goals.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/snapshot20090528232811.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-17794" title="snapshot20090528232811" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/snapshot20090528232811.jpg" alt="snapshot20090528232811" width="538" height="403" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>I want my Kasrkin to look like these guys&#8230;</em></p>
<p>Once again I skipped Fanime and instead went to a gaming convention which reignited my passion for another hobby quite profoundly…Now that the Imperial Guard Codex is out I have a hankering to get cracking on that, and trust me I have plenty to do. I also promised 13sugars that I would paint up a 1:100 Union Flag for her as well so I suppose with all these tasks that I will have to start keeping things shorter and using less screen caps. I also have to do a proper two years on post now that I have felt the first pangs of burning out… ah well K-ON and VOTOMS: Roots of Ambition post sometime later I suppose I have to run up to Davis and back to try and snag two extra tickets for graduati0n first thing in the morning.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Yeah I think I can really get into this one.</em></p>
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		<title>Convention Meals: Getting More Bang for Your Buck</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
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So with convention season reaching a fevered pitch during the spring and summer I thought that it would be fun to introduce the finer points of one of my convention staples, the MRE. Now I know that the thing says COMMERCIAL RESALE IS ILLEGAL, but there is no actual law that I have seen and [...]]]></description>
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<p>So with convention season reaching a fevered pitch during the spring and summer I thought that it would be fun to introduce the finer points of one of my convention staples, the MRE. Now I know that the thing says COMMERCIAL RESALE IS ILLEGAL, but there is no actual law that I have seen and they sell the things at the Travis AFB commissary anyways so if one wanted to one could get these things, even the manufacturers sell them directly though you have to buy a whole case at a time. Still at about $7.25 (there is a Tailored Operational Training Meal that goes for about $4.22 that has less calories, though is not nearly as impact resistant) a pop it’s not nearly as bad as those hotdogs, hamburgers, and small bowls of chili that the hotel or convention center tries to sell you, I am sure usagijen is going to have a fit at what I am about to say, but there certainly are benefits to having a light weight lunch that is rated to be shoved off C-130s. Besides it tastes just as good if not better than the standard convention food, and at least when you make it is fairly hot and not mildly warm to cold. If you can get a hold of these and your venue won’t have reasonably priced food I’d recommend getting an MRE especially if your schedule is packed, less time spent eating means more time doing other stuff. Besides it’s a better option than eating fast food at every meal or getting that $1.50 1 oz. bag of chips. So yeah I had one that was getting a bit old and decided it would be fun to open it up just for fun.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1344.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-15993" title="img_1344" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1344-640x480.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="480" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>They call it beef steak, I call it mystery meat&#8230;</em></p>
<p>Despite the jokes of MRE meaning Materials Resembling Edibles, Massive Rectal Expulsions, Meals Rejected by Everyone, etc. it’s sort of like canned food, though the meat patties are often tough there are superior menus like the pot roast, rice, and beef stew. Other than the main course which can really be hit or miss the rest of it is usually good. The cookies are dry but edible and it tastes like a cookie, the pound cake is better, and I personally thing the crackers are okay since they have a high fiber content so that it won’t clog your system, plus they usually give you cheese spread or jam to go with it. I don’t like the wheat snack bread all too much but it does fill in for the crackers. Otherwise the fruit tastes like canned fruit and you do get candy like Skittles and M&amp;Ms. If you are lucky you get one of the prized milk shake powders which are pretty much a meal in and of themselves and are often the most palatable part., otherwise they are excellent trade items in the field. Just be sure to drink plenty of water since you will need it… They also come in vegetarian and have fewer problems than the chicken for the most part.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1345.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-15994" title="img_1345" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1345-640x480.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="480" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Yeah my kitchen was a mess that day&#8230;</em></p>
<p>When I first saw these things in high school I though that they were the coolest things since I expected canned spam. That flameless ration heater isn’t much nowadays but back in the late 1990s I thought they were something, the thing relies on the oxidation of magnesium which produces hydrogen gas which you don’t want to get a good whiff of. The water gets really hot and is undrinkable but it gets the job done. The tiny bottle of Tabasco sauce is standard and is a god send if you need to add flavor to something or if you just like spicy foods. Just keep in mind these things really pack the calories averaging about 1200 for a full MRE since soldiers burn more calories running jumping and shooting.. The thing also comes with waterproof matches that usually work when dampened so if you need to burn those loli doujins in a hurry you can do it fairly easily and even in the rain! Still the flameless ration heater really isn’t allowed to go on a plane nakkid so you will need a sealed MRE if you are planning on flying. Otherwise boiling is a good enough method of the heater fails or you lose it. You also need a small knife or some sort of cutting device because the pouched can be really tough and even then you don’t want to peel it at the notches. Better to cut laterally so it’s more accessible and easier to eat.  If nothing else you can laugh at what passes for food for poor bastards like me during the first few weeks of hitting the ground.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>More like any beans&#8230;at least they got rid of those lima bean dishes.</em></p>
<p>Opening an MRE is like opening a present, you don’t know what’s in it and even when you open something with a weird name you might find that it is something you normally eat any way, such as the fruit pastry which is really a pop tart. If nothing else get some for the zombie invasion or a natural disaster kit.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1347.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-15996" title="img_1347" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1347-640x480.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="480" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Uncle Sam is not bound by advertising laws, because he bought them not you&#8230;</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1348.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-15997" title="img_1348" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1348-640x480.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="480" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>The modern hard tack.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>These actually taste pretty good.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1350.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-15999" title="img_1350" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1350-640x480.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="480" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Though it&#8217;s not the healthiest thing in the world&#8230;</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1352.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-16000" title="img_1352" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1352-640x480.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="480" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Yeah those are real tootsie rolls, Uncle Sam like to have fun with words.<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Ah it feels like the public school lunch program all over again.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1356.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-16002" title="img_1356" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_1356-640x480.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="480" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Just make sure not to eat these at before you rack out.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Unlike Akiko&#8217;s Jammu it won&#8217;t kil you.</em></p>
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		<title>How to Avoid Academic Failure in Higher Education (or How Fancy Lala Changed My Life/Moyashimon Gave Me Over Inflated Expectations)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
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Soon this will all be behind me.
So I got the news from my university Dean’s office about a week ago, I’ll get my degree early…but the catch is that I will be getting a B.A. in Microbiology with a minor in East Asian Studies and English, instead of the B.S. in Microbiology with a minor [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Soon this will all be behind me.</em></p>
<p>So I got the news from my university Dean’s office about a week ago, I’ll get my degree early…but the catch is that I will be getting a B.A. in Microbiology with a minor in East Asian Studies and English, instead of the B.S. in Microbiology with a minor in East Asian Studies. Perhaps there is not much of a difference in a B.A. from a BS, but the fact that my degree is going to have Art instead of Science really eats at me. Whether or not that is going to affect my chances for employment remains to be seen but I attach more prestige to the B.S. than the B.A. even if the difference is only going to be two classes. I know that ultimately though I have no one to blame for this other than myself, I transferred with too many credits and took about a quarter’s worth of classes I did not really need that I only took to keep my options open. I had gambled on the idea that the student population would not mushroom the way it did. I already went over the unit cap so it was pretty much a forgone conclusion that they would boot me out with a degree as the Dean’s Office held all the cards and had no incentive to let me petition for excess units once they figured out that went around them the first time and will be 2.5 units over the 225 cap. Certainly if I had been more focused on getting a B.S. I could have gotten it, and the fact that I did better in my minor classes than my major classes did little to help my lost cause. Most of the anger and bitterness has subsided, but in the end I find it mildly irritating all the same.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/snapshot200902131555391.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-15877" title="snapshot200902131555391" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/snapshot200902131555391.jpg" alt="" width="604" height="340" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>The Yuri I never saw,<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/snapshot20090220005217.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-15876" title="snapshot20090220005217" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/snapshot20090220005217.jpg" alt="" width="598" height="340" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>The Muto that I never held,</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/snapshot20090220010247.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-15878" title="snapshot20090220010247" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/snapshot20090220010247.jpg" alt="" width="604" height="340" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>The bath I never had,</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/snapshot20090220010322.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-15880" title="snapshot20090220010322" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/snapshot20090220010322.jpg" alt="" width="604" height="340" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>and this University&#8217;s lack of Hasegawa speaks for itself.</em> <em>(adapted from an insult to the 1st Cavalry)</em></p>
<p>I’ll try to keep the bitterness to a minimum but as most of you boys and girls are in college or going to college, don’t make the same mistake I did, plan your course work out like your life depended on it, and try to avoid classes you don’t really need. Also if you are going to transfer do not bet an over achiever in community college and transfer with as many units close to the minimum as you can. I went in with 114 when I only needed 80 right off the bat which they pruned down to 90.5 units. The other issue was that I took a major in which the only interest I had in it was disease causing organisms, the rest did not interest me terribly much and I took it because it seemed more useful and could help me find a job that made decent money. If only it were like Moyashimon in that there was a lab course with instructors like Haruka and Muto, if only… Still it was also around this time when I had my fate handed to me by an enemy that I could not defeat in a civilized non-violent manner that I also finished Fancy Lala. The military teaches you how to roll with punches, but sadly they don’t really teach you how to deal with the bitterness and the anger of defeat.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Remember when you considered your crayon art to be good?</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/snapshot20090207012626.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-15881" title="snapshot20090207012626" src="http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/snapshot20090207012626.jpg" alt="" width="453" height="340" /></a></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Okay so maybe getting old has some perks.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>I am Quattro Bajeena I am looking for a man named Char&#8230;Have you seen him?</em></p>
<p>So before I compare my miserable existence to that of the protagonist of Fancy Lala, the anime was an oldie from 1998 about a girl named Miho who gets the power to magically conjure up clothes she draws and turn into a 15 year old Miho. She starts out as a model and eventually gets to release a single before the magical creatures that granted her mastery over space, time, and matter went on into the next temporal plain. It wasn’t a commercial success but I liked it very much since I like genki never say die characters like Miho, it also helps that she has fantasies that are very similar to Hosaka’s though since Miho predates Hosaka by ten years I think that perhaps Hosaka took a page from Miho-nee when it came to letting his imagination run riot. It’s a good old school anime to watch if you haven’t strangled the child within. Overall it was an experience for Miho that came to an end at which point she was powerless to fully reclaim what she had, though the lesson is probably that she still has time to grow up to be Lala and she needn’t such into it. Funny how kids wish that they could be adults and when they become adults all they want is to be a kid again. I liked it a lot because of the bitter sweet end, Miho, might not see Lala for another six years, but life went on, after her adventure was over life went on there was no need to despair because she still a had a number of years to enjoy being a kid.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Things were so much simpler when I was nine&#8230;</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Say does that magical pen work backwards?</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Whatever happened to see through clothes anyways?</em></p>
<p>Maybe it was a happy coincidence that I finished Fancy Lala around the same time my plans for the future were rendered moot with one swift stroke from the Dean’s pen in the NO box. Just like how Miho’s stint as Lala ended abruptly and just as she peaked, my college life will soon effectively come to an end and like Miho I will have to figure out what to do from now on. Where as Miho would someday see Lala again on her 15th birthday, I cannot afford to do this college thing over again nor do I have that much time to devote again. Soon I will fully enter the real world instead of residing in the dual existence of college drunkard and GI Joe. Graduating early is both a blessing and a curse it means that I won’t have any civilian employment when I get out, and judging by how dismally everyone else is doing I should be grateful that I have already enlisted and have rank over the new crop of recruits who are signing up now to make ends meet. At this juncture I don’t know what I want to do depending on how the job search thing goes, and as I have mentioned before I can still beg Uncle Sam for a job (which he will surely grant so long as he gets to decide where it is I shall work), just sooner than I had ever intended. One great thing about being shoved out is now the constant pressure of having classes seems to have abated. I hear they call it senioritis and it certainly feels good since I know I can’t alter the fate I was handed. The BA I supposedly get in March (I didn’t file for graduation on time because I did not know I was going to graduate or that IGETC fulfilled the foreign language requirement) represents in many respects a tactical victory in that I am no longer losing money paying tuition, but represents a strategic defeat in that I did not get the degree I wanted. Ah well more time for animu and mango I suppose, I just hope that a B.A. in a science is not totally useless because that would make this a very costly Pyrrhic victory.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Impz is that you?</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>You&#8217;ll see Lala again Miho&#8230;<br />
</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Plus you won&#8217;t have to wait the full <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cprKF59KLJ8&amp;feature=related" target="_blank">Ten Years After.</a></em></p>
<p>Well in the end I hope you kids learn from this old man’s academic equivalent of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Trasimene" target="_blank">Lake Trasimene</a>. Still like Miho I can look off into the setting sun, one chapter of our short existences has closed, we may have tasted bitter defeat, but so long as we have the capacity to endure this glorious struggle is not yet over. I’ll always have Moyashimon to remind me of the lab that never was, and Fancy Lala reminded me that I still have a future. Maybe God is trying to tell me something I have prayed for an end to college and now I got it. I just didn’t expect God to use Fed-ex overnight shipping. So far this year I have been promoted, <a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/2009/01/04/its-a-new-year-and-i-already-got-robbed/" target="_blank">robbed</a>, and now I am graduating earlier than expected, there is something oddly amusing and mildly miraculous about what has occurred in my ho hum existence in the first part of 2009. Now to pray for Title 10 orders for a billet in Honolulu…I want certainly want Honolulu, but given how God seems to have an odd sense of humor IMHO, I suspect I will get Title 10 orders…to someplace just as sandy but with horrible beaches… I at least have a future being a more active Jolly Green Giant (though more like Disgruntled Tan Dwarf) that gets to stride to the farthest corners of the earth on Uncle Sam’s penny it&#8217;s almost like a dream come true.</p>
<p>Still I wonder if every college graduate who got their degree during hard times goes through this. Perhaps there are a few of you who are older than dirt that can attest to <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Next War-itis</span> What Next-itis?</p>
<p>Skip Beat post later if Impz is still MIA on it.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
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So yeah I need to upgrade my apartment security to something like this&#8230;
So while the Israelis and Palestinians were bringing in the New Year with a bang to say the least, found to my mild amusement that I had the wondrous experience of being robbed. Thankfully the thieves who broke in were very polite in [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>So yeah I need to upgrade my apartment security to something like this&#8230;</em></p>
<p>So while the Israelis and Palestinians were bringing in the New Year with a bang to say the least, found to my mild amusement that I had the wondrous experience of being robbed. Thankfully the thieves who broke in were very polite in putting back their point of entry back together. While the local police can’t be bothered on the weekend so a full police report will have to wait, taking a short inventory of what was actually stolen I am surprised that the list is very short considering they could have walked away with a lot more. I confess this is an odd way to mark my first post of 2009, but being nuts and cynical I admit I am pleasantly surprised that all things considered me and my room mate got off easy.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Indeed&#8230;The thieves took Psychonauts but not Metal Slug, I guess they had taste.</em></p>
<p>Short list of what the gentleman thieves took were one Xbox 360 Launch Unit, Call of Duty 4, a sweater, three textbooks (out of date), a pair of shoes, $5 in quarters, and here’s the kicker Psychonauts. What they failed to take were two check books, my CPU, and five externals, my LCD Monitor, my speaker system, a shit ton of manga, almost my entire painted portion of my Tau Army, LOTR Army, half of my BFG fleet, High Elf Army, my entire figure collection, the alcohol I had left, all of my SHnY CDs, anything from the pantry, 5 paintball guns, and Metal Slug. I am not sure if the thieves were just being polite or what ever but seeing as how they tried to pull one of the externals I suppose my policy of wire tying every cable (though I confess the tangle of wires is still daunting) to the desk made for a more aggravating proposition to the point they left my CPU and external hard drives alone. Otherwise I suppose they weren’t into animu or war gaming considering my books on military history were left behind. While my roommate lost all his laundry money, because I was too lazy to peel off the label on my change jar it was completely over looked.</p>
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<p>All in all it could have been much worse than it was given that there was a spate of break-ins at the apartment complex during the break. Still I am pleasantly surprised that all they really walked away with was a Xbox 360 Launch Unit that will be RRoDed sometime this year losing four wireless controllers is a bit of a bummer but one was already broken. The bothersome part is mostly filing the police report, and then having to tell the secret squirrel society (OPSEC) guys that thieves might have taken a look at some personal military documents (nothing important really old sets of orders for the most part). Considering how bad it could have been I am a bit glad all the most significant item they took was a 360 Launch Unit. I suppose if they were hardcore enough to take Psyconauts but leave Metal Slug behind that in the end my apartment was hardly worth breaking into, considering how obvious it would have been for them to discover to their utter horror that it was a Launch Unit and not a Zephyr or Jasper build 360. It sucks that we were robbed, but in the end it’s mildly amusing they only took so little and had the courtesy of putting the window back into place. Considering how we had window locks and only maintenance guys and veteran thieves could have known how to pop the windows open I suppose if that is all they took that we were in a sense a waste of time.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>What else can you do really?</em></p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>lelangir</dc:creator>
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←[100] first impressions on Mariaholic 
In the first part, ghostlightning and I talk about Kannagi. In the second, superfani talks about art in general.
Essentially, the conclusion we came to was that the religious metaphorical elements are played out in such that they themselves constitute a subplot. This is how Nagi searches for idolatry. As in [...]]]></description>
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<p>←[<a href="http://not.dotq.org/2008/12/28/first-impressions-mariaholic-unlimited-poetic-justice-works" target="_blank">100] first impressions on Mariaholic</a> </p>
<p>In the first part, <a href="http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">ghostlightning</a> and I talk about Kannagi. In the second, <a href="http://superfani.com/" target="_blank">superfani</a> talks about art in general.</p>
<p>Essentially, the conclusion we came to was that the religious metaphorical elements are played out in such that they themselves constitute a subplot. This is how Nagi searches for idolatry. As in the <a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/07/26/natsume-yuujin-chou-02-the-utterance-of-a-name/">second episode of Natsume Yuujin-chou</a>, the god shrinks in relation to the faith he receives. A god with lots of faith is large, one with little faith is small. When the god&#8217;s only worshipper dies, his source of sustenance is cut off, and he dissipates. In the same way, &#8220;faith&#8221; in Kannagi is represented by popularity, by <em>idolatry</em>. It&#8217;s much more blatant in the manga, but the <a href="http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/12/24/musings-in-anime-music-17-kannagi-op-arrangement/">OP</a> should make it clear.</p>
<p>The religious content was a plot &#8211; nagi accumulating faith had to be, incidentally or otherwise because the metaphor sets it up so that <em>everything</em> contributes to the subplot, incidentally or otherwise.</p>
<p>So&#8230;</p>
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<h2>Part 1: Ghostlightning &#038; lelangir on Kannagi</h2>
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<p>1:39 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>you there?</p>
<p>1:40 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yeah</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>cool, I need help thinking through this post</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: how goes?</p>
<p>okay</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>so from what I&#8217;ve seen, Kannagi&#8217;s reception is that the plot sucks</p>
<p>but I&#8217;m arguing that it doesn</p>
<p>1:41 AM and so I was thinking</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: glad to help because i have a long term project that i need your assistance in a big way</p>
<p>okay</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>what is the relationship between plot and genre?</p>
<p>lemme email you what i have so far</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: fire</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: my quick impression: the plot is generic, but it doesn&#8217;t make it bad</p>
<p>1:42 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>hmmm</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: how many unique plots are there anyway?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>well kannagi is interesting</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the disconnect that people feel</p>
<p>i think</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>you could say its plot in and of itself is a double entendre</p>
<p>are we thinking of it as social commentary?</p>
<p>incidental?</p>
<p>or&#8230;typical harem crap?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: is because teh execution in the chemistry is SO GOOD</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the latter, then there is no plot</p>
<p>the former, the plot is VERY intricate</p>
<p>1:43 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but at the expense of a rushed conclusion, that seems forced</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>and so the harm mush is predicated on its &#8220;incidental social commentary&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: making people say: bad plot</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>hehe but wiat</p>
<p>its not rushed</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: about what you&#8217;re saying:</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>because the &#8220;lack of plot&#8221; was the plot itself</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but there is a plot:</p>
<p>boy meets girl</p>
<p>girl has big reveal: she&#8217;s a goddess</p>
<p>conflict: IS SHE REALLY?</p>
<p>1:44 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>I think the fanservice superficial plot is more vehicular to the metaphorical content</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: consequence of conflict: complication of ordinary high school life</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>in the anime, what we see first and foremost is Nagi years ago</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the metaphorical content does not equal plot</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>clad in traditional clothing as goddess</p>
<p>hmm</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: plot can be &#8216;bad&#8217; but metaphorical content can be awesome</p>
<p>1:45 AM kannagi&#8217;s metaphorical content is awesome imo</p>
<p>plot is ordinary</p>
<p>not a value judgment</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but the metaphorical content is so well lined up that I dont think it cant be anything but plot</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: hmmm</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the aspects of Kannagi that are mainstream &#8220;broadcasted&#8221; are whats incidental</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: let&#8217;s distinguish the metaphorical content</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>IMO the point of Kannagi was Nagi&#8217;s idolatry</p>
<p>1:46 AM and no one picks this up</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i would approach it as a &#8220;reading&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>that&#8217;s because they&#8217;re too caught up in what you define as &#8220;plot&#8221;</p>
<p>but I think here it&#8217;s switched</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: and not as a statement against those who dismiss kannagi</p>
<p>an xist reading of kannagi</p>
<p>1:47 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>that&#8217;s good, since we know it has to make money</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the rest of the sphere are STUCK in their formalist reading methodology</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>and it has</p>
<p>industry, etc.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: plot, character, etc</p>
<p>forms</p>
<p>structure</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>well</p>
<p>its metaphors and &#8220;plot&#8221; are coextensive</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: so they can argue good plot, bad plot</p>
<p>1:48 AM and you can read it from a framework</p>
<p>of religion/idolatry</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but while its &#8220;plot&#8221; seems stupid and &#8220;inert&#8221; (as in not going anywhere, slice of life), this is precisely what propels its metaphorical content, nagi&#8217;s search for idolatry</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: if it were me, i would downplay plot &#8216;valuation&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i dont get it</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the commentary will appropriate your reading</p>
<p>and then people will use your arguments</p>
<p>1:49 AM to say that kannagi has a good plot lol</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>I still think its metaphorical content is sufficient enough to upset the canon of plot</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: okay</p>
<p>please explain</p>
<p>&#8216;canon of plot&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>well that &#8220;plot&#8221; is superficial</p>
<p>1:50 AM like you said, boy meets girl, etc.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>vs. idolatry, &#8220;metaphores&#8221;</p>
<p>which constitutes &#8220;plot&#8221;?</p>
<p>is plot the same as &#8220;watching&#8221;?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: okay, you in your reading will re-valuate formal plot elements, vs metaphorical content</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>actually yeah&#8230;</p>
<p>plot is watching</p>
<p>hmm</p>
<p>1:51 AM well we can then say that kannagi also has a secondary, subtle plot</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: plot, strictly speaking is a formal element</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>to supplement its &#8220;fanservice&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the sequencing of the narrative, the conflict and resolution</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>(double entendre ,pun intended)</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: haha</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yes</p>
<p>so in your definition, my view also works</p>
<p>1:52 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p>only that i&#8217;m more comfortable that the content is distinguished from plot/structure</p>
<p>the plot merely &#8216;frames&#8217; the content</p>
<p>&#8216;how things happen&#8217;</p>
<p>the content is&#8230; what the events &#8216;mean&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>in very&#8230;uh..&#8221;non post-modern&#8221; situations?</p>
<p>1:53 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i guess cowboybebop, faulkner, etc. complicate that</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: non-postmodern</p>
<p>formalism sucks, imo &#8211; only that it is very useful in the study of craft</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>hmm so now I enjoy thinking of Kannagi simply as having two coextensive plots</p>
<p>1:54 AM one just more metaphorical than the other</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: that can work too!</p>
<p>i like it</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ooooo, the superficiality serves as a framework for its metaphor</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok that&#8217;s good</p>
<p>solved that</p>
<p>sheesh, it&#8217;s sooooo much easier talking it through with someone</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p>1:55 AM i have mechafetish irl for this, or rather, he has me</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>my uni actually has a class on anime next semester lol</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: whoa</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>this is going to sound arrogant, but I think the blogosphere would still be wayyy more insightful</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: what&#8217;s the content? not history i hope</p>
<p>or genre surveying</p>
<p>1:56 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>oh lol</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes, but of course it would</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i was about to say that the class is probably more focused on history</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes, an introduction to the medium</p>
<p>you will be smarter than everyone</p>
<p>it will be hell</p>
<p>i remember my good friend, when he took an elective on SF</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>and it&#8217;d be boring &#8217;cause it wouldn&#8217;t view currently airing shows</p>
<p>so its not as &#8220;cultural&#8221; or memetic w/e</p>
<p>1:57 AM copyright issues, etc.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: oh lol</p>
<p>he said to the class: &#8220;you cretins, i am erudite! i read more science fiction books than all of you have read books!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>uh huh</p>
<p>1:58 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: so i anticipate that you will be in a similar spot</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lol i&#8217;m not well-read&#8230;.or at least as not as I&#8217;d like to be</p>
<p>I wish I were more in tune with japanese history</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: in relation to anime</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>so my aniblogging had much more substance</p>
<p>or foundation, etc.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: you&#8217;d know more than anyone in the class</p>
<p>but it still may be worth taking</p>
<p>1:59 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8217;cause the general populace is more attuned to viewing anime microscopically</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: because if the teacher is good, it will be very good</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>which is why there&#8217;s all this talk about &#8220;viewing things deeply&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: and you&#8217;ll be able to influence her</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>whereas I enjoy looking at anime from a bird&#8217;s eye view</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: and contribute to education in some way</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>intertextually, vis-a-vis one another and cultures, positions of viewing</p>
<p>I think the prof. had a website</p>
<p>he looked cool</p>
<p>2:00 AM but not a PhD</p>
<p>so i dunno</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes, that&#8217;s why i&#8217;m not so inclined to do so</p>
<p>because you&#8217;re around lol</p>
<p>you do it better than me</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>nobody likes reading those posts though lol</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i can play off your posts, etc. without having to lay foundations</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh and the lucky star english dub is soooo interesting</p>
<p>they retain the japanese honorifics</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: o rly? tell me</p>
<p>2:01 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>and even phonetics differ</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: ah i think i read a tweet or note of yours</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i&#8217;ve noticed that in recent dubs, they keep the flapped R</p>
<p>and in LS, some keep the flapped R while others anglicize it</p>
<p>crazy</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: whoa</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>and there&#8217;s the whole thing about trying to sound like the original VA</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i wonder how they discussed this</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah</p>
<p>2:02 AM it&#8217;s related to how its steeped in otaku culture</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: well, it may be just trying to appeal to the fan of subs</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>I&#8217;m sure</p>
<p>yeah</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to read into suzumiya haruhi sales in USA</p>
<p>as LS is definitely its successor (or giant advertisement)</p>
<p>2:03 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: your post reads good, so far</p>
<p>2:04 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>that was the 2nd thing i needed help on</p>
<p>the relationship between style/genre and plot/progression</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: okay, frame your need</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>it</p>
<p>it&#8217;s hard&#8230;hmmmm</p>
<p>I&#8217;m conceptualizing this as&#8230;.</p>
<p>a hierarchy between the two, genre and plot</p>
<p>2:05 AM which &#8220;contains&#8221; the other</p>
<p>which has more prevalence</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: ohhhh</p>
<p>hohoho</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>=p you have answer!</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: people i think choose subjects by genre first</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>definitely</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: plot is secondary</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>in terms of the viewer</p>
<p>2:06 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but plot can &#8216;ruin&#8217; the experience or &#8216;elevate&#8217;t</p>
<p>it</p>
<p>i think</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah</p>
<p>one sec&#8230;diagram time</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: characters and settings can elevate the subject</p>
<p>but plot is more destructive (a badly plotted story)</p>
<p>2:07 AM a good plot, can elevate unlikable characters (but not uninteresting)</p>
<p>i need examples</p>
<p>08th MS Team</p>
<p>boy meets girl</p>
<p>capulets and montagues</p>
<p>war</p>
<p>2:08 AM (subplots are: coming of age, shaking off one&#8217;s past &#8211; shinigami, hopes in wartime)</p>
<p>the plot(s) is/are ordinary</p>
<p>2:09 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong><a href="http://i44.tinypic.com/219au7n.jpg" target="_blank">http://i44.tinypic.com/219au7n.jpg</a></p>
<p>yeah, subplots</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the setting is awesome, a great romantic sweep</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but wait that&#8217;s just what we said</p>
<p>metaphorical content, subplot, secondary plot, etc.</p>
<p>2:10 AM style</p>
<p>comedy, romance, drama, suspense</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: is metaphorical content in kannagi a subplot?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah</p>
<p>or so I think</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: or is it a &#8220;sub&#8221; in terms of depth, but not necessarily subordinate in value</p>
<p>it is &#8216;beneath the surface&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>former</p>
<p>2:11 AM only in depth</p>
<p>all kinds of plot being equal</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>epistomologically equal i suppose</p>
<p>or however we phrase it</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: subplots in kannagi: jin (not)<br />
finding himself in art</p>
<p>2:12 AM tsugumi&#8217;s trust in jin (relationship)</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>equal in form but not in effect</p>
<p>those are more rhetorical</p>
<p>for fanservice</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: zange&#8217;s competition with nagi</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>at least the cliche childhood friend thing</p>
<p>hmm</p>
<p>2:13 AM so this suggests subplots are hierarchical</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>zange/nagi is really just a contribution to nagi&#8217;s idolatry</p>
<p>christianity vs. shintoism</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok, so that&#8217;s just a complex form of story-telling</p>
<p>2:14 AM I still don&#8217;t get it&#8230;.its the 2nd paragraph of the article</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: rather, it&#8217;s just the use of forms</p>
<p>2:15 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>i was trying to theorize a 2nd form of plot vis-a-vis genre</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: this one: Kannagi isn&#8217;t so easily reducible to polarized styles precisely because of its plot. On the one hand, we could say that the plot functions as an adhesive that produces sensibility within the anime, but this perspective pigeonholes us back in the thought that genre is linearly coextensive with plot, which is to say that distinct sections of the progression of the story will be accompanied by correlating genres &#8211; comedy, drama, slice of life, and so forth. When we view Kannagi this way, we already set an expectation that</p>
<p>?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah</p>
<p>that genre is linearly coextensive with plot</p>
<p>or&#8230;.</p>
<p>and that&#8217;s where i went blak</p>
<p>blank</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: explain &#8216;coextensive&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>in tandem</p>
<p>1:1</p>
<p>2:16 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i see</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong><a href="http://i44.tinypic.com/219au7n.jpg" target="_blank">http://i44.tinypic.com/219au7n.jpg</a></p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: it isn&#8217;t i think</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>me neither</p>
<p>so what&#8217;s the second form?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but it can be, in a contingent way</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>and that&#8217;s where I thought the heirarchy of plot/genre was upset</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: particular to specific works</p>
<p>2:17 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>ok</p>
<p>yeah</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yeah</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>so which form does kannagi utilize</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just having a hard time articulating this</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i can imagine</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the first case is how plot is a glue that connects genre</p>
<p>the second is how everything is already cohesive in the first place</p>
<p>but it&#8217;s not visible</p>
<p>it takes something more to realize it</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: connects genre to what?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>to each other</p>
<p>this is why people are like &#8220;emo jin is stupid&#8221;</p>
<p>2:18 AM its not because it&#8217;s directly related to plot</p>
<p>emo jin isn&#8217;t irrelevant at all</p>
<p>poorly directed perhaps</p>
<p>but I construed viewer displease as &#8220;i dont get how this has to do with anything&#8221;</p>
<p>2:19 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>how comedy is disparate to drama</p>
<p>but&#8230;.are they really disparate at all?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: they go together well when done expertly</p>
<p>the comedy in kannagi is done expertly imo</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok ooooo</p>
<p>so i just had it&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the drama &#8211; the jury&#8217;s still out</p>
<p>2:20 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>when things aren&#8217;t viewed as disparate, it becomes hierarchical, one becomes the vehicle for the other</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>and plot isn&#8217;t the railway anymore</p>
<p>plot isn&#8217;t the cohesive force&#8230;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s like a product now</p>
<p>or something</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: wait</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah that&#8217;s not right&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: plot, formerly is the railway to deliver the laughs, the tears etc?</p>
<p>2:21 AM i can agree with that</p>
<p>but that&#8217;s not necessarily subverted</p>
<p>by the metaphorical content</p>
<p>which is &#8217;srs bsns&#8217;</p>
<p>neither necessarily comedic or tragic</p>
<p>2:22 AM dramatic</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong><a href="http://i41.tinypic.com/2hzibmu.jpg" target="_blank">http://i41.tinypic.com/2hzibmu.jpg</a></p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i don&#8217;t get the second example (the line below)</p>
<p>2:23 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>that doesnt make sense</p>
<p>what i posted</p>
<p>neither do i</p>
<p>the first line does</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but i feel like there is a counter example</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: plot is the vehicle yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but i need a way to view genres not as spatially distant</p>
<p>and the only way is to make it hierarchical</p>
<p>2:24 AM not on the same plane</p>
<p>then, something,the glue, doesn&#8217;t &#8220;connect&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the points along the plotline can be comedic or dramatic in themselves, but there will be cases where the characters or other elements produce the emotional effects</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>it just &#8220;produces&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: when points, are &#8216;twists&#8217;</p>
<p>like code geass</p>
<p>2:25 AM twists are funny, ludicrous, etc</p>
<p>whereas kannagi&#8217;s reveal</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>hmm</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: that she&#8217;s not sure of her divinity</p>
<p>is dramatic only because her character made so much of it</p>
<p>2:26 AM not that dramatic in itself</p>
<p>2:27 AM or, let&#8217;s take a big plot twist example:</p>
<p>&#8220;LUKE, I AM YOUR FATHER&#8221;</p>
<p>is that in itself dramatic?</p>
<p>or is it made so by the reaction:</p>
<p>&#8220;NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!&#8221;</p>
<p>dramatic = sad</p>
<p>2:28 AM opposite of comedy</p>
<p>never mind the narm/unitntentional comedy of the scene</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok</p>
<p>2:29 AM though&#8230;im still having a hard time seeing how that contributes to the relationship between genre/plot</p>
<p>or rather</p>
<p>a specific type of rel.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: use sets</p>
<p>2:30 AM all genres have plots</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>what I parced from vader example was that we cannot separate the event and the reception</p>
<p>the reception &#8220;enacts&#8221; the event</p>
<p>or at least amplifies it</p>
<p>I think even if Vader said &#8220;I am HIS father&#8221; directly to the audience in a soliloquy</p>
<p>the audience would be &#8216;OMFGWTFBBQHAX&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>would still be*</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i agree</p>
<p>2:31 AM it&#8217;s still dramatic</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>hmm lol lemme ask</p>
<p>do you get what i&#8217;m trying to get at?</p>
<p>the two specific kinds of relationships between genre/plot</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: genre and plot relationship</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>in the first, plot is all-encompassing</p>
<p>it contains genre</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: ok</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>it acts as an adhesive</p>
<p>so the 2nd must upset the 1st</p>
<p>2:32 AM the 2nd is a counter theory</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: okay</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but i cannot articulate in such a way that it makes sense</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but to say that, would mean&#8230;</p>
<p>that genre can make plot irrelevant?</p>
<p>i sense the sense in it&#8230; but</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yes&#8230;.when there is no plot</p>
<p>hidamari sketch</p>
<p>2:33 AM lucky star</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: ahhh</p>
<p>yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>minami ke (1st season)</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but kannagi has a plot, yes?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>mmhm&#8230;subplots too, as we established</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: two, arguably right?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yup</p>
<p>2:34 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: so it&#8217;s difficult to use it an example to prove the counter theory</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8230;how so?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: sort of like, &#8220;it works great with lucky star, it works too with kanagi if you read deep enough&#8221;</p>
<p>2:35 AM is this what you&#8217;re saying now?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the fact that &#8220;non-plots&#8221; exist shouldn&#8217;t refute this binary</p>
<p>because it&#8217;s not even in the same paradigm</p>
<p>&#8220;non-plot&#8221; isn&#8217;t in the &#8220;plot&#8221; paradigm</p>
<p>our &#8220;plot&#8221; paradigm can be constituted of several theories</p>
<p>&#8220;non-plots&#8221; should be irrelevant here I think</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: ok, list</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>wait&#8230;&#8221;it works great with lucky star, it works too with kanagi if you read deep enough&#8221;</p>
<p>no&#8230;hmm&#8230;</p>
<p>2:36 AM no, like i said, it cant &#8220;work&#8221; because that&#8217;s a theoretical paradigm shift</p>
<p>apples and oranges</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: or, the enjoyment of kannagi is not shackled by its plot</p>
<p>limited by</p>
<p>its plot</p>
<p>and subplots</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>right</p>
<p>yes</p>
<p>ah yes</p>
<p>2:37 AM shiet</p>
<p>oh god</p>
<p>then what is the rel. between COMEDY and plot????</p>
<p>(needs&#8230;.to&#8230;.read&#8230;.aristotle&#8230;.nao)</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: hmmm</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh shiiiiet</p>
<p>so&#8230;.is comedy like microplot?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: again, the events in the plot can be comedic (situational comedy)</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>like a shitload of 4-komas inserted together?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: or jokes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>nearly in a nonsequiter fashion?</p>
<p>2:38 AM wait</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yeah</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>so</p>
<p>have you seen okawari?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: micro-plots</p>
<p>sorry no</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>hm ok</p>
<p>but yeah you get it</p>
<p>miniami-ke is microplot</p>
<p>a bunch of unrelated microplots</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but okawari is macroplot</p>
<p>one plot per episode</p>
<p>thats why everone hates it</p>
<p>vis-a-vis first season</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: event a, b, punchline event</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah</p>
<p>2:39 AM x6 per ep.</p>
<p>[a, b, punchline][a, b, punchline][a, b, punchline][a, b, punchline]</p>
<p>like a train</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yeah</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>tangent&#8230;.hmm</p>
<p>so</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: in ls, through the series of microplots, the value is&#8230; getting an intimacy with the characters</p>
<p>2:40 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>hm</p>
<p>i dont see how micro/macro affects that</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: they are not &#8216;developed&#8217; rather, they are revealed</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8230;</p>
<p>i dont think there&#8217;s any char. dev LS</p>
<p>development nor revealment</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes, exactly</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok</p>
<p>2:41 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: reveal is simply this: no sruprises</p>
<p>how exactly tsundere is kagamin</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>what about I am yuor father?</p>
<p>that&#8217;s surprise + revealment</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: how MUCH of an otaku is konata</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah precisely</p>
<p>it&#8217;s just amplification</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes, as opposed to starwars</p>
<p>2:42 AM the linear plot, twists in a new direction</p>
<p>instead of MUST DESTROY VADER, it becomes MUST SAVE VADER, there is good in him</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ah</p>
<p>2:43 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: from the viewer&#8217;s standpoint, there is value in both</p>
<p>one can say ls is entirely exposition</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but somehow, there is value in that</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8220;value&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: because it is entertaining, funny</p>
<p>2:44 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>so&#8230;.going back again lol</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: value = the utility the viewer experiences from the subject</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>mmh</p>
<p>mmhm</p>
<p>plot is the vehicle for genre</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: so there is value in the experience of watching kannagi, if one ignores the plot</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>plot doesnt discriminate between genre</p>
<p>slice of life is an exception</p>
<p>2:45 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but&#8230;i&#8217;m concerning people that took plot into account and were disappointed</p>
<p>is there a way to say that their disappointment wasn&#8217;t &#8220;properly directed&#8221;?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: they were looking for plot, or were forced to look at the plot</p>
<p>2:46 AM nagi pun!</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>that kannagi disrupts the notion that plot is a conduit for genre</p>
<p>lol</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: &#8216;properly directed&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lol&#8230;that they were wrong</p>
<p>guy a: &#8220;dude this plot sucks&#8221;</p>
<p>gu b: &#8220;no, you&#8217;re just looking at it the wrong way&#8221;</p>
<p>guy c: &#8220;this different perspective is _____&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the game here is that it is foolish to immediately dismiss kannagi</p>
<p>2:47 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>right</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: due to what you failed to see</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but we said that already</p>
<p>that there are subplots</p>
<p>ok</p>
<p>bu..ksalfkjasf</p>
<p>hmmmm</p>
<p>right</p>
<p>so this is where I said that its subplot disrupts &#8220;plot&#8221; itself</p>
<p>subplot disrupts plot as a conduit for genre</p>
<p>subplot disrupts genre</p>
<p>???</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: no</p>
<p>2:48 AM that&#8217;s confusing</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>genre is already overgeneralized</p>
<p>&#8230;.nice pun?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: you can simply say, that underneath all this, is an essay on religion (idols, commodification)</p>
<p>2:49 AM and the fact that it was entertaining to watch, makes it awesome</p>
<p>because essays on religion aren&#8217;t supposed to be entertaining</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8230;but&#8230;.it&#8217;s incidental</p>
<p>perhaps</p>
<p>no&#8230;.</p>
<p>2:50 AM there&#8217;s too much evidence to say it&#8217;s incidental..they knew what they were doing</p>
<p>ok</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p>it&#8217;s not incidental</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok, so, all metaphor aside, kannagi is awesome</p>
<p>because it&#8217;s funny and has naked DFC&#8217;s</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but</p>
<p>its plot sucks</p>
<p>2:51 AM the religion metaphors weren&#8217;t properly connected</p>
<p>- or is what we&#8217;ve read</p>
<p>but</p>
<p>they were connected</p>
<p>it just wasn&#8217;t spoonfed</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes, not spoonfed</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the karoake episode was in fact subplot</p>
<p>it was, in and of itself</p>
<p>it was nagi getting faith</p>
<p>it <em>had</em> to be</p>
<p>it was incidentally or otherwise</p>
<p>because that&#8217;s what the metaphor sets up</p>
<p>2:52 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i don&#8217;t know what to make of that ep tbqh</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the metaphor sets it up so <em>everything</em> contributes to the subplot</p>
<p>incidentally or otherwise</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i know i was entertained</p>
<p>ahhhhhh</p>
<p>yes</p>
<p>wait</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>so it&#8217;s really a convenience</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: nagi&#8230; wasn&#8217;t trying!</p>
<p>zange was forcing it</p>
<p>2:53 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>oh shiet bring her into this now lol</p>
<p>hmmmm</p>
<p>from what i remember</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: so nagi, &#8216;not trying&#8217; by virtue of song choice</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>it was just a double cat fight for jin</p>
<p>ok so that ep was slice of life by nature</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: maybe not not trying, just doing it wrong</p>
<p>yes</p>
<p>2:54 AM but in the context of the idol/god metaphor</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but&#8230;.doesn&#8217;t everything constitute idolatry?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: nagi was doing it wrong</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>making friends</p>
<p>she was evensaying how she had to look over her friends</p>
<p>because she&#8217;s the goddess of the land</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: doing it wrong</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>formed from the land</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: doing it wrong</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>doing what wrong?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the whole time</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>idolatry?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: taking care of the land</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: dealing with the impurities</p>
<p>acting like a goddess</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8230;.and that&#8217;s the part that confused me in general</p>
<p>2:55 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: making friends</p>
<p>this is new to me too</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>what&#8217;s interesting</p>
<p>is the hospitality metaphor</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: she had an idea of what she&#8217;s supposed to do</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>jin saying &#8220;stay here!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;is my house not good enough?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but she&#8217;s doing everything wrong</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok</p>
<p>she needed the freaking wand as an excorcism tool</p>
<p>since she lacked power</p>
<p>and that somehow stems from her container</p>
<p>the tree</p>
<p>as opposed to zange</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: figure out the rules, steps required for her to do her mission</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>who is a parasite</p>
<p>2:56 AM but&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: what did she do right?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>both have no identity</p>
<p>no memory</p>
<p>remember</p>
<p>the shrine is nameless</p>
<p>nameless god</p>
<p>which makes some weird pun</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: right</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>kannagi, nagi</p>
<p>nagi means &#8220;calm&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but yeah that&#8217;s irrelevant</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the more i think about it, the direction of your article needs to change</p>
<p>2:57 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>or just expand</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: you can do it this way:</p>
<p>enjoying kannagi: ur doin it wrng</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lol</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: then play off on how nagi is getting everything wrong</p>
<p>and THAT is the plot</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>hm&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: all of you have been fooled</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>eh</p>
<p>2:58 AM i was going for a general disruption of &#8220;plot&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;all ur plot belong to me&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: or THAT is the point</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8220;cuz DIS is reel plot&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: substitute point for plot</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: make plot irrelevant</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>hmmmm</p>
<p>2:59 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: while everyone is looking at jin&#8217;s emo, it&#8217;s nagi&#8217;s story after all</p>
<p>her ridiculous failure</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but what&#8217;s the relationship!!!!!????</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: plot and genre?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>which is the product of the other!!!</p>
<p>yesssss</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: neither!</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>that&#8217;s precisely what i was saying</p>
<p>people view them as intrinsically separate</p>
<p>connnected by plot</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: not a cause and effect thing necessarily</p>
<p>3:00 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>ok</p>
<p>and thus, the 2nd counter theory</p>
<p>lol</p>
<p>doo doood dooooo listen to my song&#8230; guruguru mawaru&#8230;.</p>
<p>3:01 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: wait, whose song is that?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>from school rumble</p>
<p>means &#8220;going in circles&#8221; lol</p>
<p>or so I&#8217;ve read</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: ah yes</p>
<p>school rumble had plots</p>
<p>a bunch of romance arcs</p>
<p>3:02 AM and harima&#8217;s manga career</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yup</p>
<p>3:03 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: ok, are you clear re your article now?</p>
<p>or did i just mess it up for you?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>I still haven&#8217;t come to the conclusion i was searching for</p>
<p>a different relation between plot/genre</p>
<p>wait</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: interdependent</p>
<p>3:04 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>i think im obfuscating it for you</p>
<p>microgenre</p>
<p>genre within the same series</p>
<p>shifts from comedy to romance to drama</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: rendering genre meaningless</p>
<p>3:05 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>whoa&#8230;.maybe that&#8217;s it</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: or calling for lame portmanteaus like dramedy</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>one sec&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: brb, waifu calls</p>
<p>3:06 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>ok</p>
<p>i&#8217;ll keep talkin</p>
<p>so it&#8217;s like, microgenres are hierarchical</p>
<p>in kannagi, drama takes a backseat to comedy</p>
<p>they cant be viewed horizontally
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<p>3:15 AM <em>Ghostlightning has joined</em></p>
<p><em>Pontifus has joined</em></p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>better now?</p>
<p>3:16 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: ok</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: can i close the other one?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah</p>
<p>sweet we&#8217;re good</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: ok</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok so the question was</p>
<p>3:17 AM what is the relationship between genre and plot</p>
<p>wait, pontifus, have yuo seen kannagi?</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: yeah</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: you bastards are keeping me from writing my post (i don&#8217;t entirely mind)</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lol</p>
<p>you&#8217;re telling me&#8230;</p>
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<p>3:18 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: this is not going to end well</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>that&#8217;s Kannagi, essentially</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: and, regarding genre and plot, cuchlann would be the one to ask&#8230;i don&#8217;t really like genre, and i&#8217;m trying to make an argument for genre being a superfluous construct (though i haven&#8217;t really figured it out yet)</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yes</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: bwahahahahaha</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but for all intensive purposes</p>
<p>genre not as discursive</p>
<p>as &#8220;style&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;approach&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: we got to that conclusion too</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>fuck where is that guy</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: after so much wrestling</p>
<p>3:19 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>need total superfani jerk circle</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: what are we calling genre here? comedy?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>comedy, drama</p>
<p>basically</p>
<p>the distinct elements in kannagi</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: alright</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>wait up one sec</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: lol, should i bust out some aristotle?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: please</p>
<p>save lelangir the trouble</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lol</p>
<p>3:20 AM go ahead if you want</p>
<p><a href="../../../../../" target="_blank">http://lelangir.dasaku.net/</a></p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: norton anthology of theory and criticism, GO!</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the kannagi collection</p>
<p>look at kabitzin&#8217;s remarks</p>
<p>he&#8217;s like &#8220;this sucks, i dont get it, it doesnt make sense&#8221;</p>
<p>so why dont the distinct elements make sense?</p>
<p>3:21 AM grrrrr, uguu~</p>
<p>3:22 AM <strong>Pontifus</strong>: did either of you not like nagi very much?</p>
<p>or am i the only one in the universe?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: read from a framework of failure, it all makes sense!</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i liked her</p>
<p>lol</p>
<p>oh jesus&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i like her so much more now</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>HELP ME ANSWER MY QUESTION</p>
<p>LISTEN TO MY SONG</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: NAGI, THE ROMANCE OF FAIL</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>fucking UGUU</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i didn&#8217;t DISlike her, but she didn&#8217;t make me fangasm, either</p>
<p>3:23 AM alright, back on topic!</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>right</p>
<p>so</p>
<p>plot is a conduit for intraparadigmatic genre</p>
<p>which is to say</p>
<p>when an anime deploys several genres within the same series</p>
<p>kannagi ie</p>
<p>the plot connects comedy and drama</p>
<p>but</p>
<p>what is the counter theory</p>
<p>3:24 AM theory1: plot is vehicular</p>
<p>theory2: genre isnt really disparate at all&#8230;.so how does plot function?</p>
<p>i dont know&#8230;.</p>
<p>3:25 AM <strong>Pontifus</strong>: northrop frye is suddenly relevant&#8230;i need to find something, give me a minute</p>
<p>3:26 AM <a href="http://edweb.tusd.k12.az.us/dherring/ap/consider/frye/indexfryeov.htm" target="_blank">http://edweb.tusd.k12.az.us/dherring/ap/consider/frye/indexfryeov.htm</a></p>
<p>genres sort of bleed into each other</p>
<p>so you&#8217;ve got tragic comedy, romantic comedy, and ironic comedy</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yeah, and code geass is the best example</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: but not really comedy &#8220;by itself&#8221;</p>
<p>3:27 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: if one includes anime-specific genra</p>
<p>e</p>
<p>such as mecha, harem</p>
<p>etc</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>so there&#8217;s a distinction here</p>
<p>between style and genre</p>
<p>style is romance</p>
<p>genre is mecha</p>
<p>mecha romance</p>
<p>slice of life romance</p>
<p>mecha comedy</p>
<p>&#8217;slife comedy</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: well, tragedy and comedy are kind of opposed as per frye, i guess he&#8217;d call tragicomedy ironic comedy</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: style&#8230; hmmm</p>
<p>3:28 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>sooo frye says they&#8217;re in the same paradigm</p>
<p>opposed but comparable</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: right</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>that&#8217;s good</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: oooh that frye model got me wet</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: damn, we really need cuchlann</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lol</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: he knows so much more about frye than i do, lol</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>he&#8217;s got like over 9000 degrees lol</p>
<p>3:29 AM <strong>Pontifus</strong>: right</p>
<p>unlimited degree works</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>haha</p>
<p>man</p>
<p>those are two REALLY complementing memes</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: off topic: capt. global of the macross is stupid. there, i said it</p>
<p>sorry</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but anywa&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: lol</p>
<p>also off topic: ghostlightning, you&#8217;ll be proud of me&#8230;i downloaded macross the other day</p>
<p>3:30 AM the first one</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: protip: DO NOT WATCH MACROSS AFTER WATCHING LOGH</p>
<p>just save yourself the anguish</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i haven&#8217;t/won&#8217;t</p>
<p>logh still scares me</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>today i downloaded: zoku zetsubou, g gundam oST, bokurano, kaiji, giant robo ova, logh giaden</p>
<p>NO</p>
<p>WATCH LOGH</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: wooo</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i will eventually, lol</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: GIANT ROBO WILL FULFILL YOU</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>eeeeexcellent</p>
<p>oh yeah</p>
<p>i&#8217;m gonna write about kino&#8217;s journey at some point</p>
<p>3:31 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: watch macross first</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i bought kino&#8217;s journey, and it&#8217;s just collecting dust</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>about travel and ethnocentric imperialism</p>
<p>it probably applies to more anime as well</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: it doesn&#8217;t take itself seriously for the most part, so don&#8217;t &#8211; but when it does, it does really well imo</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the whole &#8220;vagabond&#8221; trope</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: though i&#8217;ll feel inspired to dust it off if you write about it, probably</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>Kino?????</p>
<p>from what i&#8217;ve seen Kino is totali srs</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: any of you fans of military history?</p>
<p>3:32 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>not really</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: like breakdowns of great battles and shit?</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: not so much</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: okay</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: lol, i do books</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but&#8230;.logh tactics are sexy</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: pretend ones</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: PERFECT</p>
<p>that&#8217;s my new series on WRL</p>
<p>military history: breakdowns of great anime battles</p>
<p>3:33 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>i can see it already</p>
<p>21stcenturydigitalboy: &#8220;I JUST CAME&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i&#8217;m doing battle of saturn&#8217;s rings (SDF-Macross) now</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ad naseum</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: to launch it</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i submit that you should call it &#8220;tactics are sexy&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh yes</p>
<p>tactics are sexy</p>
<p>especially in geass</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: okay, I WILL</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>KEIKAKU DOORI, YUO GOT IN MAH WATERFALL TRAPS</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yeah, i&#8217;m doing battle of narita from r1</p>
<p>3:34 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>I thought the Chinese gorge thing was badass</p>
<p>&#8220;xingke&#8230;..nooooooo&#8221;</p>
<p>pontifus must feel excluded</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but lelangir, if you feel like doing any of the great ones from LOGH,</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>you missed soooooooo many memes</p>
<p>TOO MANY</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: oh shit, that mythoi circle i linked is kind of wrong</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>geass = trope gold mine</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: YES</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i dont like analyzing logh in that way</p>
<p>3:35 AM crusader does that</p>
<p>get crusader to write for ya</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: okay</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>he&#8217;d do it</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the template is easy anyway</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: it says comedy, romance, tragedy, irony/satire&#8230;but i think the right order is romance, comedy, tragedy, and irony/satire</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: tha&#8217;s the plan</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: so comedy and tragedy do overlap</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>how so?</p>
<p>wait yeah</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: mythos of summer/mythos of autumn</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>they can&#8230;.</p>
<p>like&#8230;.monty python or something</p>
<p>well&#8230;.&#8221;tragedy&#8221;</p>
<p>3:36 AM i&#8217;m not so familiar with grecian tragedy</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: shakespeare even</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh shit</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: unless you dismiss comedic elements from let&#8217;s say romeo and juliet</p>
<p>as mere &#8216;relief&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but that speaks directly tot he difference between style/genre</p>
<p>&#8220;tragedy&#8221; can be either totalizing or not</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: combo breakers for teh drama</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>tragedy as in &#8220;everyone is sad&#8221;</p>
<p>or tragedy as in &#8220;everyone dies&#8221;</p>
<p>they&#8217;re not mutually exclusive</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i think putting the mythoi on a circle might be too restrictive of them anyway</p>
<p>3:37 AM oversimplification</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: IN SHAKESPEARE: tragedy-everyone dies, comedy-everyone gets married</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok</p>
<p>3:38 AM man&#8230;.i&#8217;m done with this kannagi post lol</p>
<p>for another day&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: in any case, when you said &#8220;plot connects comedy and drama,&#8221; i&#8217;d say they&#8217;re all connected anyway</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>how so?</p>
<p>comedy and drama aren&#8217;t intrinsically connected</p>
<p>it&#8217;s a non-sequitor as it is</p>
<p>it needs something &#8220;logical&#8221; or &#8220;syntatical&#8221; to make it fit</p>
<p>3:39 AM <strong>Pontifus</strong>: well, &#8220;drama&#8221; is a hard term for me to deal with as a genre anyway</p>
<p>i think drama is just a device</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: UNIVERSAL SET: PLOT, inter-connecting sets: style, genre</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>drama as in dorama</p>
<p>drama = emo</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: style:device right?</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: comedy has drama, tragedy has drama, everything has drama</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>for all intensive purposes here</p>
<p>but in kannagi they&#8217;re very distinct</p>
<p>emo doesn&#8217;t equal comedy</p>
<p>they dont even self-satirize their emo</p>
<p>3:40 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but to categorize a subject as specifically drama, one must ignore the intentional fallacey</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: you think so?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: and go by how it&#8217;s marketed</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah</p>
<p>marketed as comedy</p>
<p>with harem undertones</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i think that, maybe, if the drama (dorama or emo though it may be) serves comedy, ultimately, then it falls under comedy&#8230;it&#8217;s just not funny yet, but it promises humor</p>
<p>3:41 AM and if it isn&#8217;t ultimately funny, then it&#8217;s tragedy</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8230;hmm&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: funny and/or generally happy</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i dont get it&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;generally&#8221;</p>
<p>but it isn&#8217;t monolithic</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: so people who dismiss kannagi, dismiss it within the framework of the market</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>kannagi utilizes different approaches in tandem with the progression of its plot</p>
<p>&#8220;the market&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: they are the consumers &#8211; the target market that kannagi &#8220;missed&#8221;</p>
<p>3:42 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>which is different than the author (oh SHI- barthes)</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: now, i don&#8217;t know about the market</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>wait mike hold on</p>
<p>&#8220;[t]his is my first original work. Whenever I thought it was a joke, it became too serious. And whenever I thought it was serious, it became a joke. That&#8217;s the kind of manga I&#8217;m aiming it to be.&#8221;</p>
<p>that upsets it</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: goodbye barthes</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: nooo, barthes, come back!</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lol</p>
<p>he is gooooone now</p>
<p>eri has spoken</p>
<p>BUTTTT</p>
<p>3:43 AM its different than the anime!</p>
<p>oh shi-</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but the thing is, the author HAS LESS POWER</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>vis-a-vis the viewer</p>
<p>ye</p>
<p>the market appropriates it</p>
<p>&#8220;the market&#8221;</p>
<p>which is just discursive</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: because the means of production is held by someone else</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i can&#8217;t really agree that anything the author said is relevant here at all, lol</p>
<p>3:44 AM i don&#8217;t care what the creative process was, or even about the manga at all</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the relevant thing here is what the marketers are intending</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: kannagi the anime is what it is</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: they invested in it</p>
<p>they distributed it</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok Karl</p>
<p>Karl-chan</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but the market has spoken: we dun liek it</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: they created an authorial consciousness, that the reader/viewer fills</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>Marx-tan</p>
<p>yes</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: marx-tan yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>[i'll stop lol]</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: really? kannagi wasn&#8217;t well recieved?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah it was</p>
<p>3:45 AM dvd sales high</p>
<p>across the sphere too</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: yeah, i thought it was</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: oh so only teh bloggers are whining</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong><a href="../../../../../?p=928" target="_blank">http://lelangir.dasaku.net/?p=928</a></p>
<p>no only a few</p>
<p>it&#8217;s not like index</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: ugh</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lol</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: don&#8217;t remind me</p>
<p>those six episodes were traumatic</p>
<p>3:46 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>i was kinda sad i missed out a red haied loli tsundere with hot pants</p>
<p>but&#8230;.i got tsugumi</p>
<p>red haired [at times tsundere] with seifafuku</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i&#8217;m possessed by cuchlann and ghostlightning: the market received it well, implying they are entertained and have been recommending it to firends, high entertainment value = high literary value</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>er, seira&#8230;.</p>
<p>3:47 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: so bloggers, STFU</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>huh?</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: nonononononono</p>
<p>noooooooooooo</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>since when does entertainment value = literary value</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: all things have the same value</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: cuchlann quotes this michael guy</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8220;value&#8221;</p>
<p>define&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: literary value</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>idealistically</p>
<p>not politically</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: value = utility that a readery experiences from the subject</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>in essence anime is not deep</p>
<p>3:48 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: reader/consumer</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>[oh shi- calling omo]</p>
<p>because its controlled by the industry</p>
<p>completely different histories</p>
<p>the history of literature vs. the history of anime</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: fuck, i need cuchlann&#8217;s aid!</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>totally different</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i&#8217;m telling him to jump on google</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: pontifus, i get what you&#8217;re saying</p>
<p>3:49 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>me too</p>
<p>but i&#8217;m not up for it</p>
<p>we&#8217;re in a very political situation</p>
<p>so disregarding it is like&#8230;.fljalewrjfoi</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but the context here is that the readers/bloggers value shit the way they do</p>
<p>heirarchies and all taht</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yes</p>
<p>the discourse</p>
<p>produced by the industry/market</p>
<p>3:50 AM the literary value paradigm is irrelevant</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but i&#8217;m with you ponti</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>[hence 'anime is not deep']</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: &#8220;the literary value paradigm is irrelevant&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: nothing can be invalidated</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: AAAAAGH</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>zach, what &#8220;literary value&#8221; doesnt seem to take into consideration is discourse</p>
<p>in that discourse produces value</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: no need to scream, you can&#8217;t be invalidated LOOOOOL</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: right</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>value is predicated upon discourse</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: but here&#8217;s the thing</p>
<p>3:51 AM no, wait, scratch that</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>muahauahauahuah</p>
<p>you cannot beeat foucault</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: yes discourse produces value, but i think one could pretty much talk about anything&#8230;i think that latent value is basically value</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>latent value?</p>
<p>3:52 AM oh shit</p>
<p>chuchlann is on!</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: a thing around which there is no discourse COULD have discourse, and that&#8217;s enough</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: hmmm, even latent value is put there by a &#8220;prime valuator&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s &#8220;put&#8221; there, i think it&#8217;s just there</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>no wait nonnonnonononono</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: hence, value is relative to valuer</p>
<p>RELATIVE</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>things have no meaning until it is represented</p>
<p>representation is CONSTITUTIVE of meaning</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: YES</p>
<p>3:53 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>there is no &#8220;thing&#8221; before it is represented</p>
<p>representation MAKES the thing</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: there is NO KNOWLEDGE WITHOUT LANGUAGE</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yes</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: yeah, i know</p>
<p>hang on, let me process</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>just to let you know</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: tihs is funner tahn i thuotgh</p>
<p>3:54 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>i&#8217;m like, in a constant state of jizzing right now</p>
<p>lmfao</p>
<p>&#8220;tihs is funner tahn i thuotgh&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Cuchlann has joined</em></p>
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<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: owen&#8217;s post resonates within me</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the amount of typos makes that hilarious for some reason</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but that typo is artifice</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>llololowwwwwwww</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: alright, i&#8217;m ready</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: synthetic comedy</p>
<p>3:55 AM <em>Cuchlann has joined</em></p>
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<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh my jizzzzzzzzzz</p>
<p>FUCK</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: greg come baaaaaack</p>
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<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Oh Jesus that was too complicated&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: narrative art doesn&#8217;t need discourse to have value, insofar as discourse is communication between art experiencers&#8230;in fact, discourse is only possible to a point</p>
<p>3:56 AM it only needs, in my estimation, one person to experience it</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Okay, so what&#8217;s happening here?</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: how to summarize, lol</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>well</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: DISCOURSE can be between the subject and the viewer/reader</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>we&#8217;re talking about kannagi</p>
<p>if you&#8217;d believe it</p>
<p>discourse is emepheral</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: DESHO?!</p>
<p>3:57 AM <strong>Pontifus</strong>: everyone, summarize your position!</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Well of course you are. And clearly, this is why the next podcast needs to happen soon.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>wait&#8230;</p>
<p>discourse is between the things</p>
<p>subjects are constituent of it</p>
<p>they create it</p>
<p>and anime is its objec</p>
<p>the discourse ON anime</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: right, and i think that isn&#8217;t necessary for art to have value</p>
<p>3:58 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: like right now, i&#8217;m having a righteous discussion with ep 06 of SDF macross. Global you are an idiot.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>you think eh?</p>
<p>but that&#8217;s your discourse</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: value is not necessary</p>
<p>value is contingent</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the discourse in which you are situated</p>
<p>take away your discourse, it takes away your meaning</p>
<p>then, what is value?</p>
<p>an empty signifier</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: value = is the utility of a being experiencing a subject</p>
<p>3:59 AM the utility being gained</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>just because your &#8220;value&#8221; means to say that discourse is irrelevant&#8230;that in itself is irrelevant because it NEEDS discourse to in itself have meaning</p>
<p>4:01 AM er, i didnt mean to come off as offensive..</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i&#8217;m not saying that ALL discourse is irrelevant, or that discourse is even irrelevant at all, but that the value of art isn&#8217;t predicated entirely upon discourse between people, and that i don&#8217;t necessarily think there are variant &#8220;levels&#8221; of value</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: off topic: macross is a pilots&#8217; show, not a generals&#8217;, so i&#8217;ll go easy on global nao</p>
<p>there are levels of value!</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>so art has an intrinstic value&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: assuming that the relationship between reader and text is discourse, then, sure, discourse is required</p>
<p>no</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but wait</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i value macross over other anime</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>that&#8217;s the discourse split</p>
<p>4:02 AM political value vs. philosophical value</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: levels are subjective, but they exist</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>both are right</p>
<p>but irreconciaibly different</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: art has no intrinsic value, which makes it infinitely valuable</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: OOOOH, PARADOX</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: At which point am I meant to enter the conversation? O_o</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>nao</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: whenever, lol</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: just jump in</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>wait</p>
<p>so</p>
<p>okkkokkkokko</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: lelangir</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>we cant explain philosophical value with political value&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: you&#8217;re like a brick wall</p>
<p>4:03 AM i love it</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>-_-</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I have two responses to this conversation: one is in the same spirit, and one is in my usual asshole, reductionist spirit.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: seriously, test the fuck out of my views</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t get a chance to do this that often</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh lol</p>
<p>i thought you meant i was STOOPID lollolololo</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: no, lol</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>stop being a tsundere greg</p>
<p>4:04 AM and call me dan&#8230;. or w/e</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: uh, greg maybe we should leave</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i like one syllable names</p>
<p>greg zach dan mike</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: these two are gonna fuck</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i get into the habit of using internet names</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Which one&#8217;s the uke?</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: if that&#8217;s the first thing i learn</p>
<p>me, i think</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>seme&#8230;I R ATTACKAR?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Now, remind me of which role uke is?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: oh no, you have seme really written all over you</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: bottom</p>
<p>fuck why do i know that</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Written in what, I wonder?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ore ga sasahara&#8230;omae ga OGIUE</p>
<p>4:05 AM <strong>Pontifus</strong>: haha</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: oh i got it wrong</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: I&#8217;LL SHOW YOU HOW AGGRESSIVE I CAN BE</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: uke is below right</p>
<p>desho?</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: yeah</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok&#8230;.so going back to value etc.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: ok, your wish to be challenged is an act of spreading your legs</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Okay, here&#8217;s my reductionist answer: I cite Dark Side of the Moon.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lmfao</p>
<p>4:06 AM and&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: And what? That&#8217;s the anwer. ; )</p>
<p>Okay, yes, I will explain.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>[dont look at me, im the only guitarist i know that's never heard it before]</p>
<p>[that and the fact that i dont like hendrix]</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: :O</p>
<p>it&#8217;s acceptible though, you&#8217;re a jazz guy</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>DUN DUN DUN</p>
<p>still</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I wouldn&#8217;t compare Hendrix and Pink Floyd at all, actually.</p>
<p>But anyway.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: me too</p>
<p>4:07 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: No one listens to DSotM in a group. At any rate, not stereotypically.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i dig radiohead now though</p>
<p>ok computer is beast</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: You always hear it alone, when you&#8217;re like fifteen.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>at any rate, i&#8217;m listening on loop to the kimi ga nozomu eien OP</p>
<p>lol</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: lol</p>
<p>4:08 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: For a whole lot of American teenagers, at any rate, it&#8217;s the most meaningful thing they&#8217;ve ever heard.</p>
<p>It &#8220;speaks to them.&#8221; Much as the voices do, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lol</p>
<p>like stairway to heaven backwards?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: This is without contact with other fans of Pink Floyd.</p>
<p>Now, the OED tells me that &#8220;discourse&#8221; has a lot of different meanings.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>OED?</p>
<p>4:09 AM i think i read that in a book just no</p>
<p>now</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Oxford English Dictionary.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ohh</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: one can discourse with the subject!</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>discourse in the foucauldian sense</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Okay, hold on.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: see, this is hard for me because i don&#8217;t know focault yet, lol</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: That is one sense of the meaning of &#8220;discourse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another is the conversation afterwards.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: lelangir, distinguish focauldian discourse plz</p>
<p>4:10 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>oh jezz ok</p>
<p>so</p>
<p>discourse is the bounds of thinkable thought</p>
<p>things outside discourse have no meaning</p>
<p>like anamolous categories</p>
<p>gay</p>
<p>mulatto</p>
<p>they dont fit into the binary</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: We need to clarify our terms here, and &#8220;discourse,&#8221; in my opinion, isn&#8217;t useful in describing anything other than conversation.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>of straight and/or black/white</p>
<p>foucauldian discourse describes, in essence&#8230;&#8221;sociolinguistics&#8221;</p>
<p>4:11 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Of course, that assumes the discourse works in terms of a binary, which isn&#8217;t necessarily true.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>in a broad, instituationalized sense</p>
<p>not necessarily true yes</p>
<p>but works for those cases</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i am now stepping into greg, who is also mobile suit cuchlann-gundam, and setting him on autopilot</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok here&#8217;s an example</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I propose that we should use a different word, and not &#8220;discourse,&#8221; as academically the word is typically used to mean the setting within which people discuss topics.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the subject does not produe knowledge</p>
<p>4:12 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: binaries are just asses waiting to be raped by deconstruction lol</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8220;setting&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve been inculcated into discourse as like, the godliest device ever</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Or group. As we are busily quibbling over words, I will admit &#8220;setting&#8221; is not the best choice.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok</p>
<p>well</p>
<p>4:13 AM what is the poit of not using discourse as an analytic tool?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Yes, I can tell. I think you&#8217;re in the place I was several years ago, when you discovered a good critical theory and decided it was the holy of holies. <img src='http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>what were we talkinga bout again?</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: in my mind, what you&#8217;re calling discourse is just existential existence&#8230;it&#8217;s the only thing worth considering, imo, so there isn&#8217;t even any need to discuss anything &#8220;beyond&#8221; it</p>
<p>there is no beyond</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: LIEK ME AND DECONSTRUCTION LOL</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Discourse the act of using analytic tools, in my terminology.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>discourse is the act?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I&#8217;m trying to make sure you know what I&#8217;m saying when I say it.</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>4:14 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i realize that i no longer contribute value to this discussion</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>well discourse is also practice</p>
<p>me shooting a basket contributes to the discourse on basketball</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Any act, repeated, is practice.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but i will derive value from it by LURKING</p>
<p>LURK MODE ON</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>system of agreements</p>
<p>language</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: right, but, correct me if i&#8217;m wrong, it seems like you&#8217;re saying that discourse is the entire range of possible actions, thoughts, etc.</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: No, it doesn&#8217;t. You shooting a basket and learning a new way to consider the act, then telling others &#8212; that contributes to the discourse.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>discourse neednt be &#8216;active&#8217;</p>
<p>you&#8217;re actively participating in it</p>
<p>4:15 AM by subjugating yourself to it</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I&#8217;m trying to copy-paste what Pontifus just said, but it won&#8217;t let me.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the only way to avoid discourse is to scoop your eyes out and slit your ears off</p>
<p>&#8220;right, but, correct me if i&#8217;m wrong, it seems like you&#8217;re saying that discourse is the entire range of possible actions, thoughts, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;possible&#8221;&#8230;.yes, sort of</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Here&#8217;s the first point of my poly-pronged point: if everything is discourse, there&#8217;s no point in discussing it, as it&#8217;s everything. Thus, it&#8217;s nothing.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: exactly</p>
<p>existentialism ftw</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: It has nothing to contrast it in the chain of meaning.</p>
<p>4:16 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>no</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Not even existentialism, just pragmatic defining if critical terms.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>discourse points out holes in itself</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: *of</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i just like that word</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>discouse expands, contracts</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: existentialism 4tw</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>reconstitutes</p>
<p>no yesssss</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: sure, but anything outside of it doesn&#8217;t exist, right?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: All right, let&#8217;s go on to prong number two&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>discourse theory takes into account silence</p>
<p>booya</p>
<p>4:17 AM it contains in itself its antithesis</p>
<p>without synthesizing</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Do we all agree that a piece of art has no meaning without a viewer?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: LELANGIR: WHAT IS <em>NOT</em> DISCOURSE?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>silence</p>
<p>no meaning</p>
<p>i&#8217;m being sophist probably</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: but if silence is the opposite of discourse, and discourse is all that is, all i can concern myself with as a human being is all that is, and therefore science doesn&#8217;t exist</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Silence is a perfectly acceptable answer, and thus part of discourse.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: *silence</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i didnt say discourse was all that is</p>
<p>4:18 AM discourse is, paradoxicaly, everything and nothing</p>
<p>take race for instance</p>
<p>you MUST have rae</p>
<p>race</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Which means it&#8217;s not very good for conversation.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but is is NOTHING</p>
<p>it doesnt exist</p>
<p>O_o</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Actually, it&#8217;s not necessary to have race as a construction, it&#8217;s just habitual at this point in human history.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>nationalism too</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: silence in the context of a conversation is not <em>NOT</em> DISCOURSE</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: race in the sense of different kinds of human beings?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: right?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yes</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: because, yeah, i don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s necessary</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>black/ white w/e</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;yeah it is</p>
<p>4:19 AM <strong>Pontifus</strong>: it&#8217;s habitual</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>in this specific political history it is</p>
<p>well discourse is inert</p>
<p>it doesnt move</p>
<p>it is specific</p>
<p>yes</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Answers, though, real quick: does a book have content if no one reads it?</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: no</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I use &#8220;read&#8221; in the broad sense.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: well, not really</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh god&#8230;uhhmmm</p>
<p>yes</p>
<p>it needs an author</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: granted that the author has read it, probably</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Not necessarily.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: it doesn&#8217;t have meaning &#8220;by itself,&#8221; no</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the author who rote it?</p>
<p>read while writing</p>
<p>4:20 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>[again to reiterate, i'm jizzing]</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: And anyway, the &#8220;reading&#8221; of the author violates the terms of my question.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>wait</p>
<p>iin your sentence</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: If no one&#8217;s read the book, does it have any content?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>is the author the subject or the object</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: The author is outside the scope of my question.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: sybilant says hi to you all</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>hello kagami</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: You&#8217;re in a room with a book. You&#8217;re illiterate.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i mean</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: no, it doesn&#8217;t have meaning on its own, says i</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok</p>
<p>4:21 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: You&#8217;re unaware of the social mores concerning books.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: well, then the book might mean firewood, but we&#8217;re talking about the text, i guess, lol</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but wait</p>
<p>false dichotomy?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Pontifus has hit on where I&#8217;m going, at any rate.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>shit</p>
<p>owen term</p>
<p>sorry</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: she gave me the tsun tsun treatment for telling people she&#8217;s kagami</p>
<p>lol</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>in the absense of one type of meaning is there total lack of meaning?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Without reading, a book is merely paper and ink.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8220;specific&#8221; social norms arent everything</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I&#8217;m talking about artistic meaning here, sorry.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>it could reprsent that the reader is stupid</p>
<p>oh ok</p>
<p>4:22 AM yes</p>
<p>so if you&#8217;re illiterate</p>
<p>artistic meaning is impossible</p>
<p>wait</p>
<p>no</p>
<p>not necessarily</p>
<p>not if you&#8217;re inculcated into the SOCIAL DISCOURSE that books are inherently beautiful</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Artistic meaning from reading is impossible.</p>
<p>I said outsid that.</p>
<p>outside</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>LIKE FRANKENSTEIN&#8217;S MONSTER????</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Yes.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>if i remember&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: This is a philosophical hypothetical.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: GOTHIC, OH SHI-</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lol</p>
<p>4:23 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Excellent example, actually.</p>
<p>If the Creature hadn&#8217;t learned to read, what would the books he found have meant to him?</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: it makes me really happy that, for the most part, i can just reach over and grab the pertinent examples off my shelves</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i have stuart hall et al. sitting here&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I would have to go to another room, and step over, uh, other books, but yes.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: which i hope means i&#8217;m doing pretty well as far as collecting, lol</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh shit and some mary shelley too!</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I think I have my Aristotle in here right now&#8230;</p>
<p>4:24 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>poetics is right here</p>
<p>collecting dust</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: poor poetics</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Yes, in the stack with the Shakespeare essays, the grammar book, and the Norton critical theory text.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong> <img src='http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>so yeah&#8230;..</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Okay, so in our hypothetical situation, the book is drained of all artistic meaning.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>insofar as you are illiterate</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Yes, that&#8217;s given.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>incapable of directly producing experiential meaning</p>
<p>4:25 AM but that is not social meaning</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Now, here&#8217;s the part that pleases lelangir: this means that discourse is necessary for art to function.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>/jizz</p>
<p>isn&#8217;t art discursive anyway?</p>
<p>me farting is art</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Here&#8217;s the part that doesn&#8217;t please him: the art itself must necessarily be outside the discourse itself, as it has no meaning.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>socrates raping a young boy is art</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: If done before an audience, yes, both can be true.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ah yes!</p>
<p>4:26 AM the audience is abstracted</p>
<p>reduced to a feeling</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the audience could be the boy itself</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8221; the art itself must necessarily be outside the discourse itself, as it has no meaning.&#8221;</p>
<p>i dont get that part</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: The audience must necessarily be removed from the art, as art has no practical purpose &#8212; and the boy would have practical concerns at that point.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>how is it necssary?</p>
<p>no wait</p>
<p>it&#8217;s not removed</p>
<p>4:27 AM because the discourse created it</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Discourse is about making meaning. Art makes no meaning on its own, and cannot take part in discourse, as discourse is a two-way street.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>as we said before</p>
<p>representation is constitutive of meaning</p>
<p>there is no meaning outside representation</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: ok, hang on there</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: activities with practical purposes cannot be read as art? how come?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>it did not exist prior to representation</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I cite Oscar Wilde.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: how analogous is the phenomenological idea of the author consciousness dispossessing the reader to discourse?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: &#8220;All art is quite useless.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll dig up a link&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>getting a bit marxist here</p>
<p>how does art make no meaning?</p>
<p>4:28 AM what if its social commentary via play?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Art makes no meaning.</p>
<p>The audience makes meaning.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the art of being earnest</p>
<p>it&#8217;s good to be earnest</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: <a href="http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/owilde/bl-owilde-pic-pre.htm" target="_blank">http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/owilde/bl-owilde-pic-pre.htm</a></p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yes&#8230;</p>
<p>so how does that make art situated outside discourse</p>
<p>does discourse &#8220;osmotize&#8221; it?</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i&#8217;m familiar with the quote, but tieing a bow-tie for the purpose of looking good at a dinner party can be &#8216;artful&#8217; or can&#8217;t it?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Discourse observes art. It must be outside to be observed.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>no</p>
<p>4:29 AM what?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Yes.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>observing is irrelevant to position</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: No it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>how?</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: insofar as art isn&#8217;t practical?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Let me line my ducks up for a second&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>if art is outside discourse it has no meaning in that discourse</p>
<p>no intrinsic art meaning</p>
<p>but it has social meaning</p>
<p>like mulattos</p>
<p>they are weird</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: The meaning is within the discourse, because it&#8217;s not attached to the art.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>they dont exist in the discourse on blackness</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: It&#8217;s in the space between.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: but if the subject is the art, and the object is the discourse</p>
<p>4:30 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>ah</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: they&#8217;re inside the same semiotic construct, sure</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh ok isee that</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: but separate</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>nice</p>
<p>hmmmm</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: This is all reader-response and phenomenology, that the art doesn&#8217;t have the meaning, the audience does.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the audience, rather, creates the meaning you mean</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Or at least, my interpretation of those schools of thought.</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i like chuchlann&#8217;s thought</p>
<p>that meaning is attached to the audience</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s possible to have different opinions on art.</p>
<p>4:31 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>i&#8217;d like to view it as art being vacuum pockets in discourse</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: LELANGIR I&#8217;VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU THIS SINCE MY FIRST COMMENTS ON YOUR POSTS AT THAT</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8230;though different opinion is discourse in itself</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d see too much of a problem with the very slight difference in that interpretation.</p>
<p>Yes, it is.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but discourse defies quantum physics per se</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: @rubio: haha.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>you can have multiple discourse in the same geopolitics</p>
<p>@mike&#8230;.O_o</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I think that defines, not defies, quantum mechanics.</p>
<p>4:32 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>oh yeah lol</p>
<p>oops</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Given that only in quantum mechanics can you have superposition.</p>
<p> <img src='http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: no, that the readers create the meaning, agreeing amongst themselves</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah&#8230;..</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Well now, it&#8217;s not that they&#8217;re agreeing amongst themselves.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: or one reader agreeing with itself</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>that&#8217;s so IKnight from last winter</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Go back to Dark Side of the Moon.</p>
<p>Okay, Pontifus got it, basically. Never mind.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i wish i had nexisted last winter</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>no way</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I did, it was like any winter. ^_^</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>from june-december</p>
<p>4:33 AM craziest time ever</p>
<p>or so owen tells me</p>
<p>but anyway</p>
<p>yeah, Greg has convinced me</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: this is why i wanted him here, lol</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>art&#8217;s lack of intrinstic meaning must implicate that discourse is attached to it. blah blah blah</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Art is, ultimately, an aesthetic experience. It can carry with it thoughts and opinions, but they won&#8217;t be worth anything if the art doesn&#8217;t make the audience feel.</p>
<p>4:34 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the reader agrees with something as to waht a sign means, and communicates that meaning to others, the meaning strengthens, pending agreement from such others</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Hence Wilde&#8217;s line: There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are well written, or badly written. That is all.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>so&#8230;there&#8217;s a split between what art really is and what art is perceived to be</p>
<p>&#8220;modernism&#8221; is discourse</p>
<p>but that has no effect on what the art really is</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Yes.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>which n ever changes</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Art is basically art, always.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yup</p>
<p>4:35 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: That&#8217;s also why you get different readings of classic texts in different eras.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yes</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Skim through a history of studies on Hamlet to see it in action.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>discourse is historically dependnat</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: now here&#8217;s where i jump in and be disagreeable&#8230;mike, i think that, once an agreement is established, there&#8217;s no making it stronger or weaker, it just IS</p>
<p>4:36 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: But the aesthetic experience is not. Or at least, the strength of response. a differing system of mores could alter the particular aesthetic experience.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok well now that greg has upset my notion of what things &#8220;are&#8221;, there are two routes</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: stronger in teh sense that more people agree, it becomse temporally on top of the heirarchies of meaning</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the &#8220;existential&#8221; route&#8230;and the social route</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: these agreements have relative strengths in different people&#8217;s artistic experiences, but no &#8220;ultimate&#8221; strength/weakness value</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: like for example: CODE GEASS = TRAINWRECK</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yep</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Oh, you youngsters (yes, I realize all our ages).</p>
<p>Because I would say X = trainwreck</p>
<p>4:37 AM <strong>Pontifus</strong>: geass is a trainwreck = true, geass is awesome = true, period</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: But you guys probably don&#8217;t know anything about that.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: it has power over code geass = not trainwreck, at present at least</p>
<p>wow, am i a youngster nao? LOL</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lol</p>
<p>32</p>
<p>ancient</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: both are true, but in practice, the former is more resonant</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: now, prevalent opinions, that&#8217;s a social thing, and isn&#8217;t related to artistic value</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>wait&#8230;how&#8217;s that in rel. to an argument</p>
<p>isn&#8217;t an argument just a statement?</p>
<p>4:38 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i argue even artistic value is a sign agreed upon by a society</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: A statement that can be argued with, but yes.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>what it is directed at seems irrelevant</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: &#8230; a society of art theorists</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>vis-a-vis its existential value</p>
<p>which is immutable</p>
<p>but its discourse potency&#8230;.that&#8217;s different</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: &#8220;artistic value&#8221; as a term, sure, but not artistic value as applied</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: so art has no intrinsic value, as a meaning, has less power in practice</p>
<p>4:39 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>i dont get it</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Actually, the lack of intrinsic meaning gives it more power.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: agreed</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>how?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: A crafted chair can be beautifully wrought, but ultimately it is a tool.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: to use a cruder example, atheism (no theo) has less power than theism (yes theo)</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: And as such, eventually even the most sensitive person will view it as a chair, to be sat upon.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>I guess I&#8217;m confused by greg&#8217;s use of &#8220;power&#8221;</p>
<p>4:40 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: But art, with no use but to be art, to be &#8220;beautiful,&#8221; can never be written off as anything else.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>which is a loaded word in foucaultism&#8230;</p>
<p>oh wait hold on</p>
<p>art is art insofar as it has a definition</p>
<p>where did that definition come from?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Ah. Power to affect an audience aesthetically.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: if i sit on that artful chair, even artfully, am i reducing its artistic value?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: My definition comes from Wilde.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh shi- barthes again&#8230;</p>
<p>4:41 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I would say you aren&#8217;t affecting it, unless you break it.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>hmmmmmm sosifdkjsosjsojKJ!J!OIU$(*&amp;(U93wt5w94u</p>
<p>so</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: You simply occlude it, like standing in front of a painting.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>we&#8217;ve created art such that it has the agency to cast off structural hegemony</p>
<p>sorry i love that terminology</p>
<p>art has become art</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the viewer, cannot experience the art the painter made, BUT HE CAN EXPERIENCE THE ART OF ME STANDING ARTFULLY IN FRONT OF IT</p>
<p>4:42 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>yes</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: &#8220;ghostlightning&#8217;s shadow over cubism&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but what is &#8220;art&#8221;</p>
<p>art came from where?</p>
<p>we say &#8216;art is art&#8217;</p>
<p>but that&#8217;s circular i think&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Wilde again: We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. All art is quite useless.</p>
<p>Art is a thing to be admired intensely.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but&#8230;.</p>
<p>that doesn&#8217;t consider its origin</p>
<p>or is origin pointless</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: The origin is unimportant.</p>
<p>4:43 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>why?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: The art stands before you. The author does not.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>no</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: What is the origin of Beowulf?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>not origin as in author</p>
<p>origin as in meaning of the meaning of art</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: The meaning is between you and the art.</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t the origin.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: etymology of art plz</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: It&#8217;s the product of you consuming the art.</p>
<p>4:44 AM <strong>Pontifus</strong>: @mike observe, if you will, a battle of gods</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but</p>
<p>art has to be predicated upon something</p>
<p>everything is predicated</p>
<p>nothing is ahistoric</p>
<p>hence, from whence did art arrive</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: right, so</p>
<p>if nothing is ahistoric</p>
<p>&#8220;ahistoric&#8221; is nothing</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>art cannot just exist all of a sudden</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: it doesn&#8217;t exist</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Art entered English through Anglo-Norman, from Old French.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: so how is that important?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: It is created, but the artist effaces the creation with the completed work.</p>
<p>4:45 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>wait</p>
<p>I mean</p>
<p>even art in an existential sense</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: An orchestra doesn&#8217;t reveal its practices to the audience, only the performance.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>it must have a discursive root</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: But it doesn&#8217;t matter to the aesthetic experience.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>correct me if i&#8217;m wrong (i probably am) its exisentialism needs discourse</p>
<p>guh so many types</p>
<p>4:46 AM no</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the aesthetic experience is also up to the viewer/reader</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Art can be considered a product of discourse.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but the aesthetic experience can be discursisve</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: True.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: insofar as discourse is one person agreeing with himself&#8230;is, i think, the idea, correct me if i&#8217;m wrong, o mighty cuchlann</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i derive a lot of value watching practices</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Well, I&#8217;m generally inclined to say discourse requires at least two people, you folks came up with that one.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: one person agreeing with the self, i find nothing wrong with it</p>
<p>4:47 AM i probably do it a lot</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: not i, lol</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: NONONO</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: it&#8217;s those focauldians over there</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lol</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the discourse with the self</p>
<p>is between one&#8217;s memories</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>nice</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: and the idea at hand</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>your habitus</p>
<p>oh shi-</p>
<p>your habits</p>
<p>your consciousness</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: YES YES</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Hm. Okay, not bad, I can see that, I suppose.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>because</p>
<p>your identity is not stable</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: does the idea at hand, FIT?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>always morphing</p>
<p>4:48 AM being changed by external forces</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: with my past conceptions, etc?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yes</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: It works with the phenomenological idea of creating a second consciousness, which is one&#8217;s perception of the art.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>exactly</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: lelangir: IS THIS ART?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh shi-</p>
<p>i dont get that&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: or: IS MY IDEA OF ART&#8230; LIMITED?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>why does one need a 2nd con. for art?&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: It&#8217;s the same thing we said earlier, but recast into different terms.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>@mike: i dont get that either</p>
<p>4:49 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Actually, now that I think of it, it&#8217;s probably a way to get at what you&#8217;re describing.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yes ok i see that now</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Discourse within the self.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but</p>
<p>that is predicated upon society</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>the self ineedss the othe</p>
<p>THE SELF NEEDS THE OTHER</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: instead of me listening to your words, i say it to myself, in my voice, to see if it &#8216;fits&#8217; my self-concept</p>
<p>if it does, i probably will agree</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yes</p>
<p>4:50 AM all that is prediated uponmemory</p>
<p>with your contact with society</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: memory yes</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>no experience = nomemory</p>
<p>= no discourse</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: THAT IS WHY WE REMEMBER LOVE</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>nothing to discoure with or upon</p>
<p>lmfao</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: lololololol</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh god&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I have no problems with any of those statements, but they don&#8217;t alter the fact that art is solely aesthetic.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>in the existential sense</p>
<p>yeah</p>
<p>i guess</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: In the experiential sense.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>if thats the right term</p>
<p>4:51 AM ok</p>
<p>oh yeah definitely</p>
<p>but then</p>
<p>there are fakers</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: The experience is what I&#8217;m almost always concerned with, rather than the implications. <img src='http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8220;oh duuuuuude that art meant soooo much to me! [wanna fuck?]&#8216;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: since we agree, the idea becomes &#8217;stronger&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but then</p>
<p>what i just said isnt even experiential</p>
<p>just machiavallian</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: It&#8217;s based on experience.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: sure, people lie, but i think our entire conversation here takes honesty for granted</p>
<p>4:52 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: um mutually exclusive?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>its just transplanting experience over social goals</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: A lie is as based on experience as a truth, or else the liar wouldn&#8217;t be able to lie.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>wait</p>
<p>re@mike</p>
<p>it gets stronger?</p>
<p>yeah i suppose</p>
<p>that&#8217;s where discourse gets it strength</p>
<p>in #s</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p>4:53 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>so</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the grand march of ideas</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>I think there is no finalized definition of art</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: never</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>there are always contesting theories</p>
<p>of equal value</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: hegel: keikaku doori</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: which almost seems to be the way it has to be, but i haven&#8217;t put a lot of thought into that, so don&#8217;t ask me to back it up</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>what is significant is each contesting theory&#8217;s political relevance</p>
<p>4:54 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: No, political relevance is completely unimportant.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: it is significant, yes, but i dunno about ultimate significance</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>how&#8217;s it irrelevant?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: It&#8217;s an after-affect of the passage of art through consciousness.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: it&#8217;s sociology</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yea how?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>[insofar as we mean political in the same way]</p>
<p>i thought we said all theories were equal</p>
<p>4:55 AM one theory claims art is something beyond theory</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: And I&#8217;m giving you mine. That&#8217;s what this conversation is, yes? ^_^</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>so&#8230;we agree to disagree</p>
<p>that&#8217;s the end right?</p>
<p>so its FOR FUNNNNN</p>
<p>but yeah&#8230;</p>
<p>anyway</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: It&#8217;s always the end. But didn&#8217;t you enjoy yourself?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: the art of conversation</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: See, in my version, that&#8217;s the point.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>that&#8217;s actually the best conclusion lol</p>
<p>to enjoy yourself</p>
<p>?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Aesthetic experience achieved.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes</p>
<p>4:56 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>i still dont like that&#8230;.</p>
<p>[i'm still pleasuring myself]</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: and with agreement, the feeling is <em>intensified</em></p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>if one theory proclaims art above theory</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Well, on a personal level, let me put it to you this way&#8211;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>that seems contradictory</p>
<p>it needs itself to invalidate itelf</p>
<p>4:57 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I didn&#8217;t start reading because of a political end (in any sense of the word political). I read habitually because I read once and the aesthetic experience appealed to me more than other pursuits.</p>
<p>And I never claimed art was above theory. In fact, when people claim that, I get angry.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>uhoh</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: nothing is intrinsically valuable over another thing</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>i dont get it though&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: people assign values into heirarchies</p>
<p>4:58 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Don&#8217;t get what?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>how&#8230;.art can be nothing</p>
<p>but it needs meaning to be described in such a way</p>
<p>no wait</p>
<p>no it doesnt</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: thus spake derrida, kinda</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>its nothing regardless</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: all this, is nothing, empty and meaningless</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: art being nothing is what lets it mean anything at all</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>it exists if i dont see it</p>
<p>shiet&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Who, like Zarathustra, found himself stinking in a cave, what?</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but then it doesnt exist&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: its meaning is but a contingency of us meaning-makers</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>so does that theory merely state that things are even if they aren&#8217;t?</p>
<p>ungh</p>
<p>4:59 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: and we, like the meaning, are ephemeral</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: I never said art is nothing.</p>
<p>I said art has no intrinsic meaning. There&#8217;s a difference.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: or, yeah</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: <strong>Nothing</strong> has an intrinsic meaning.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yes</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Trees don&#8217;t, or fire, or floods.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: it is something that means nothing, inherently</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: But they still exist.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>what i was getting at&#8230;.hmmm</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: signs exist</p>
<p>5:00 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>&#8220;existentialism&#8221; describes art as meaningless</p>
<p>do we even need existentialism for that MEANING in and of itself to continue to exist?</p>
<p>the meaning of meaningless</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Sartre&#8230; bleh.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: kannagi exists, for the people who derive meaning from it (writer, producer, distributor, consumer, critic)</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>so</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: and everyone will have an opinion</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>but art is different i think</p>
<p>it&#8217;s much more abstract</p>
<p>5:01 AM that made little sense</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: and the majority of agreements, will have <em>weight</em></p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Kannagi exists as a bunch of digital files, and possibly some animation cels &#8212; or more likely, more digital files.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>waitwaitwitw go back to sartre</p>
<p>or is that thought wrong?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: The meaning is in the watching, not the existence.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: each social group/entity will make it mean something</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>that active knowledge is predicated upon existence of a buttress for that knowledge</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes, the experience, not the existence</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Oh, my ex just really liked Sartre, so I go &#8220;bleh.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh</p>
<p>5:02 AM <strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: not experience isn&#8217;t limited to watching</p>
<p>selling, creating, discussing</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Yes, the experience. And it isn&#8217;t, no.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: all part of it</p>
<p>i prefer camus to sartre</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: But the thing itself isn&#8217;t part of any of those, except as a thing. It offers no special, extra value that wouldn&#8217;t be achieved with any other show in its place.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: yes, the thing in itself is meaningless</p>
<p>5:03 AM <strong>lelangir: </strong>yes</p>
<p>but</p>
<p>that meaningless is meaningful</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: or, maybe it wouldn&#8217;t be achiever, but the important thing, i guess, is that it could be achieved</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: all things, in themselves are empty and meaningless</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: *achieved</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>important&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: AND IT DOESN&#8217;T MEAN ANYTHING that they are empty and meaningless</p>
<p>no consequence</p>
<p>no imnpact</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>ok</p>
<p>insofar as we don&#8217;t observe them</p>
<p>5:04 AM maybe</p>
<p>its meaningless inasmuch as you make it meaningless, which is sort of impossible sounding</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: as long as when we do observe, we assign meaning, then it has consequence</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>how do you make it meaningless?</p>
<p>you say</p>
<p>&#8220;this is meaningless&#8221;</p>
<p>but thats the same as &#8220;this is meaningful&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: i cannot make it meaningless</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>meaninglessness is another state of meaning</p>
<p>negative meaning</p>
<p>5:05 AM nevertheless</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: it is an acknowledgment that it has no &#8216;real&#8217; ;true&#8217; meaning</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>meaning</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: aside from what we make for it</p>
<p>that&#8217;s what i mean</p>
<p>not a reduction of meaning to oblivion</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yeah</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: but an acknowledgment of the lack of ultimacy in the meaning i assign for the sign</p>
<p>5:06 AM <strong>Cuchlann</strong>: All right, with this new turn, I will retire. I have to get up early tomorrow.</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: thanks for participating!</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: Someone save this and post it tomorrow.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: i plan on it</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh jesus</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: edit plz</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>lmfao</p>
<p>kaiser will cry</p>
<p>those sweet swedish tears</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: You have only yourselves to blame. Well, and lelangir, if you&#8217;re not already him. But still.</p>
<p>5:07 AM Down his pinstripe suit.</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: aww, he might mess up the suit</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>not already me?</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: You have only yourself to blame.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>yep</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: They have themselves, and also you.</p>
<p><strong>lelangir: </strong>oh thanks!</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: replace our names with handles plz</p>
<p><strong>Pontifus</strong>: yeah</p>
<p><strong>Ghostlightning</strong>: thanks</p>
<p><strong>Cuchlann</strong>: And away!</p>
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		<title>Forgotten Gifts of Christmas Past: My Gunpla Pile of Shame</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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No my Christmas was never this awesome, but behold my pile of shame&#8230;
Well I have been rather more busy than I anticipated during winter break, given how my unit doesn’t need me until the week after Christmas to help ramp up for inspection I decided to clean out my closet and go over my storage [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>No my Christmas was never this awesome, but behold my pile of shame&#8230;</em></p>
<p>Well I have been rather more busy than I anticipated during winter break, given how my unit doesn’t need me until the week after Christmas to help ramp up for inspection I decided to clean out my closet and go over my storage boxes which contained old toys and other stuff. Suffice to say the last time I actually took stock of all the stuff I had in storage was simply never, if I ran out of space it got boxed and put in the garage pile along with all my battle rattle. Turns out despite taking all my old manuals back to work for proper shredding and disposal and setting aside old toys for a gaggle of younger relations I also found a lot of model kits I forgot I even had. One of the things I recall now after taking a longer than expected bus ride (the 9X bus line actually loops into Fisherman’s Wharf now instead of the strip joints and adult stores that I recall seeing back when my grandmother picked me up from elementary school) and going past North Beach where my after school program was that for many years I did get one or two model kits from my uncle in Hong Kong before he emigrated here (to flee from the Red Menace), once in a while my parents bought me a couple too. I was always happy to get them, but at the time I hardly had any time to actually paint each one and each year they got boxed up and were soon forgotten.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>I plan on torturing the tiny Jesus Yamato figure, take that Amnesty International!</em></p>
<p>Well after a couple hours I found my model kit pile to be rather large all things considered though I have more WHFB and WH40K tank kits and infantry. Suffice to say I was sitting on a nerd’s treasure pile that I had inadvertently amassed in over 20 years of existence. I don’t plan on buying any more or asking for any more since my parents would think of them as toys and would give them away to make more space. Given how it was almost like Christmas again I might as post my embarrassingly hefty pile of never built still in box model kits, I call it a pile of shame since my uncle probably wondered where all of the gifts he sent me went once he stepped onto American soil. In all honesty though since many of these came from Hong Kong during the hey days of piracy of everything I bet some of these might be fake, if so kindly point them out if you can. Now what to build first…I am thinking finishing up those no grade ones from Wing first as practice, and then take care of the High Grade stuff. I do plan on melting or immersing in paint thinner Jesus Yamato though.</p>
<p>So anyone else have a Gunpla Pile of shame that they might be working on around this time of year? Lord knows I haven’t finished one of these in years. Man and I was going to ask for Prince Ali&#8217;s Custom Enact this year too&#8230;yeah I think I should finish my pile of shame first.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Remember when Target carried Gunpla? Ah ye olde days when Wing was king and CN was pimping dubs.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>I didn&#8217;t even know I had this&#8230;but I am not complaining, no sir!</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>I need more GMs&#8230;</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Anyone feel the BURNING?</em></p>
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		<title>I&#8217;d rather watch it without subtitles (not a sub vs dub post!)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lupus</dc:creator>
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Ok, the two aren&#8217;t substitutable or even comparable, by the standard of any anime fan who&#8217;s not fluent in Japanese.  My Japanese is only at a level where I can understand 83% of any [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, it&#8217;s not.  It&#8217;s a sub vs raw post.  &#8220;But you can&#8217;t- they&#8217;re not- You, sir, are a retard.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok, the two aren&#8217;t substitutable or even comparable, by the standard of any anime fan who&#8217;s not fluent in Japanese.  My Japanese is only at a level where I can understand 83% of any written passage even with a dictionary, and my listening is so bad that watching raw is pointless for me.  Yet none-the-less, I&#8217;ve been doing it lately.  The thing is, I watch the raw after the sub.</p>
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<p>I started watching raws because I realised that I often get distracted by the subtitles.</p>
<p>I only noticed it very recently, when watching <em>Eve no Jikan</em>.  I watched the first two episodes with subs, then went browsing for other people&#8217;s opinions on each episode because it is <u><strong>really fucking awesome</strong></u>.  Reading through them made me realise that I didn&#8217;t notice a lot of the intricacies in the animation and direction.  A truly excellent film or anime has a lot of the details placed through-out that the average person would never take note of without having it pointed out for them, but are nonetheless important things that elevate the show above all its contemporaries.  A film example would be <em>The Sixth Sense</em>, where there are clues scattered through-out the entire movie pointing to the twist ending, yet most people never notice them on their first watch.</p>
<p>After reading about them, I went back to watch the first two episodes of <em>Eve no Jikan</em> with the subtitles turned off (I really want to thank whoever popularised soft-subs), and I managed to pick up on a lot of the things that were noted in other posts.  Of course, I have the benefit of hindsight now, but I also have the benefit of being able to focus my eyes on things that are not words.</p>
<p>Thing is, I suck at multi-tasking.  Being a man, my brain is at a natural disadvantage when it comes to processing multiple streams of information, and I&#8217;ve never managed to learn to handle multi-tasking.  Once I even missed a turn while driving because I was talking to my friend (don&#8217;t distract the driver kids!).  When I played <em>The World Ends With You</em> on the NDS, I never mastered the skill of managing both front of the battle &#8211; generally I spam block on the top screen and have Neku deal all the damage.  Similarly, when I have to focus on and process the subtitles, my eyes don&#8217;t have time to wander around the rest of the screen picking up the details.  I get the big picture, but details tend to go unnoticed.  And so, I missed out on a lot of important things.</p>
<p>Ever since I started watching a show twice &#8211; once with subtitles and once without &#8211; I realised just how much the subtitles get in the way of focusing on the visuals.  Little details in animation or background or direction, things that I never really picked up on before, started to become apparent to me.  It&#8217;s like a whole new world just opened up to me.  It&#8217;s all really frustrating, because now I feel like I&#8217;ve been missing out all these years.  Which of the older shows that I didn&#8217;t like could&#8217;ve benefited from the extra attention that is taken away by the subtitles?  </p>
<p>Conclusion of this post: I&#8217;d rather watch anime without subtitles, but considering the options available to me are &#8220;Watch it twice&#8221; or &#8220;Dubs&#8221;, it&#8217;s clear which is the lesser of the two evils.</p>
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		<title>Last day to vote, my fellow Americans&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
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So yes today is the last day for you procrastinators to vote if you have elected not to vote early or by mail. I don&#8217;t care who you vote for but I trust that this time you guys can make your own conclusions and vote for the only qualified candidate&#8230;Michael Wilson. Special election day gift [...]]]></description>
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<p>So yes today is the last day for you procrastinators to vote if you have elected not to vote early or by mail. I don&#8217;t care who you vote for but I trust that this time you guys can make your own conclusions and vote for the only qualified candidate&#8230;Michael Wilson. Special election day gift after the jump.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Enjoy your Liberty Prime my fellow Americans</em></p>
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		<title>Cultural Impact</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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<em>I tried to find an Australian-themed anime drawing, but failed.  Have a &#8220;Once Upon a Time in a China Girl&#8221; instead.</em></center></p>
<p><a href="http://yukan.dasaku.net/miscellaneous/random-rants/what-is-an-oztaku/">NewGeekPhilosopher</a> wrote a little piece about a new sub-breed of anime fans he called the &#8220;Oztaku&#8221;.  I can understand the desire to move away from using the word otaku, but the terms &#8220;anime fan&#8221; or &#8220;anime enthusiast&#8221; perfectly describe any of the individuals he raised as examples in his post, and it didn&#8217;t really matter at all where they were from.  I trolled him in the comments, but he raised a point I thought worth wasting my time and yours with in his reply:</p>
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[...]the reason why I highlighted “Anglo Saxons” is because many white Anime and Manga fans are not the same as Japanese ones, and have a different cultural construction of their identity. Hence an Oztaku would be brought from a different cultural society entirely from a Japanese society.</p></blockquote>
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I always thought the point of a &#8220;fandom&#8221; is that people are brought together through their passion for a hobby, regardless of race, creed, age or geographical location.  Regardless of your culture or how you were raised, our passion for (in our case) anime brings us together as a group of fans.  Our common hobby breaks down the cultural barrier, and we can chat simply as fellow anime fans, regardless of from where we hail.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m sure cultural identity affects our opinions on what we all watch.  How big is that impact?  Is the difference big enough that we would require sub-dividing of the fandom?  For example, if a group of Americans and a group of Chinese watched the same show, does the difference in culture cause the two groups to arrive at vastly different conclusions or have vastly different opinions?</p>
<p>I think the difference could be quite karge.  I&#8217;ve visited enough Chinese and English fansites to notice that there are palpable differences in what the English speaking audience perceives as classics and what the Chinese speaking audience perceives as classics.  For example, <em>Cowboy Bebop</em>, which I deem to be a very Westernised show, is often called a favourite by English fans, but it&#8217;s rarely given the same amount of praise and adorations in Chinese circles.  Other shows that spot more anime-ish characteristics (or maybe simply a more universal charm), such as Kino no Tabi or Naruto, tend to be more equally well-received by fans on both side of the language divide.  However, from my limited experience, Australia fans&#8217; tastes don&#8217;t seem to differ much from the fans born in America or Britain, probably because these three cultures are still closely related.</p>
<p>In short, how great, if it exists at all, do you think the impact of cultural upbringing is on our opinions of anime?</p>
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		<title>Sunrise Latrinenparole</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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Greetings from the 501st Character Reserve, Provost Marshall of Miscellaneous Jobs
Well Code Geass is over and Gundam 00 has not aired yet so I decided to visit the Sunrise pilot barracks to get their views on some of that fresh meat that will be sitting on the shelf now that it&#8217;s done with. Lastly +100 [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Greetings from the 501st Character Reserve, Provost Marshall of Miscellaneous Jobs</em></p>
<p>Well Code Geass is over and Gundam 00 has not aired yet so I decided to visit the Sunrise pilot barracks to get their views on some of that fresh meat that will be sitting on the shelf now that it&#8217;s done with. Lastly +100 fanboy points if you recognize everyone. Otherwise feel free to weep if you feel ashamed you know all of them.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>I don&#8217;t get it&#8230;that Guren thing is red so why did it have such trouble with poncy white one? It was three times faster right?</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Suzaku&#8217;s abnormal survivor ability isn&#8217;t as great as I thought it would be, I expected the planet to implode or something. Right now I can&#8217;t see how he could have gotten out of that one, fucking cheater.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Diethard</em><em>, why do you insist on embarrassing yourself? </em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>So I hear this Suzaku can dodge bullets, that&#8217;s nice&#8230;maybe we&#8217;ll finally see how good he is against some one who shoots straight.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Suzaku rocks, so what if he betrayed his country and killed his people? There is nothing wrong with that. Oh gotta go Kira wants his vanilla latte.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Oh Tamki I told the lazy bastard to spend more time on the simulators, it helps. Looks like the only <a href="http://www.webtender.com/db/drink/1534" target="_blank">screaming orgasm</a> he&#8217;s going to get is the one he mixes!</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Kallen we are so proud of you for killing Suzaku when you finally graduate we&#8217;ll induct you into the School of the Undefeated of the East! You will finally learn the Ultimate Secret Technique! SEKIHA TENKYOUKEN! You kept the bastard&#8217;s head right?</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>I am glad they killed off that loser Luciano, heck I have killed more people by driving my taxi cab while waiting to kill some more meisters. By the way some guy named Ougi called for a ride to to take him and his wife to see the obstetrician anyone seen them?</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Knights of the Rounds, the Immortal 4th Team salutes you!</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>What is wrong with that revolving door of death? My ideal ladies have to die but that Lancelot prick lives?! It&#8217;s insane!</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>The Captain heard something about cheating in a chess match&#8230;</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Is that the best you got Moenica Kruszewski?! No, really?</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Damn that Federation! Looks like I&#8217;ll be needing a new colony&#8230;</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>It can&#8217;t be! These plans for Zero Requiem are insane, hey what&#8217;s that clicking sound?<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Yeah we kicked those Black Knights&#8217; asses so hard they learned how to fly.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>We extend our greetings to the new Loli rulers of the Earth Sphere.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>That&#8217;s right cower, be afraid! Die knowing you lost to some one who knows how to pilot a mecha! Lousy knights come and face me!</em></p>
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		<title>[LWC 65] Serendipity Notion Revisited</title>
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After having read this post, and after observing a certain prevailing trend amongst entries and comments around my familiar regions of the blogosphere, I&#8217;m going to have to elaborate and modify an earlier argument in which it was stated that it is not the reader that creates meaning but the author. This whole post [...]]]></description>
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<p>↩[<a href="http://superfani.com/?p=1137" target="_blank">LWC 64</a>]</p>
<p>After having read <a href="http://animanachronism.wordpress.com/2008/01/04/death-of-the-animator/">this post</a>, and after observing a certain prevailing trend amongst entries and comments around my familiar regions of the blogosphere, I&#8217;m going to have to elaborate and modify an earlier argument in which it was stated that it is not the reader that creates meaning but the author. This whole post is probably more rooted in a semiotic and philosophical sphere in which I am nearly illiterate, although I will use David Bohm&#8217;s notion of &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wholeness_and_the_Implicate_Order">Wholeness and the Implicate Order</a>&#8221; to facilitate this particular articulation.</p>
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<p>In elaboration of Part 1, I&#8217;m going to add that, while it is not necessarily the viewer that creates meaning out of meaningless or not-so-meaningful things (I will later address the very notion of &#8220;creation&#8221;), the <em>meaning</em> that authors insert into anime is not all-encompassing of the <em>entirety</em> of the anime itself. As the title suggests, there is a serendipitous, if not incomplete component of the author&#8217;s <em>construction of their universe</em>; there is an implausibility of empiric semiosis (if this title didn&#8217;t already turn you off). In other words, more meaning exists <em>beyond</em> the first and fundamental semiosis, without disregarding that this primary semiosis <em>is complete unto itself</em>. This puts forth the controversial notion that a completed anime will have more meaning than what was originally created by the authors. And so what exactly does this nebulous jargon entail? Let me explain Bohm first.</p>
<p>Bohm thinks of the universe as a continuous flux wherein existing &#8220;sub-totalities&#8221; (i.e. these elementary particles and any kind of existing body like galaxies, stars, and so forth) are autonomous, but our perception of reality cannot be empirically reduced to such sub-total autonomies. In an interview with Bohm published by Omni, it was remarked that:</p>
<p>&#8220;<em>Believing that the nature of things is not reducible to fragments or particles, he argues for a holistic view of the universe. He demands that we learn to regard matter and life as a whole, coherent domain, which he calls the implicate order</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>In essence, sub-totalities are autonomous entities within the larger whole, yet this whole presupposes the existence of things that are part of it. Bohm also called this the &#8220;Undivided Wholeness in Flowing Movement,&#8221; that is to say that &#8220;this view implies that flow is, in some sense, prior to that of the ‘things&#8217; that can be seen to form and dissolve in this flow.&#8221;</p>
<p>In receding now to the partialities and holistics of semiosis, the first thing I am addressing is the notion of &#8220;depth&#8221; in anime. The second is the processes by which we engage in this depth, that is, our alleged &#8220;creation of meaning&#8221;. The third is semiosis and hermeneutics as complete functions in and of themselves.</p>
<p><strong>Section 1: Depth</strong></p>
<p>After reading<a href="http://abc.concretebadger.net/topic.php?id=2"> these pieces on depth in anime</a>, there is a recurring motif dealing with depth which bifurcates meaning as simply existing or not existing. Batezi&#8217;s piece is the only one that dives into the subjectivity of interpretation, some talk about the difference between intellectual fan service vs. actual depth, and some talk about art vs. entertainment. However, none of these deal with depth as an already-existing thing besides <a href="http://abc.concretebadger.net/post.php?id=1">one brief phrase</a> about how &#8220;viewers search for meanings in some shows that aren&#8217;t there in the first place;&#8221; yet this quote is about searching, which presumes the existence of meaning but strives to <em>prove</em> such an existence.</p>
<p>However, my analysis is attempting not to epistemologically solve the issue of the ontological binary of meaning since that in itself presents us with the paradox of our methodology. I am trying to peer into the ontology &#8211; the form &#8211; of depth; not the epistemology &#8211; the content.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m trying to say is that there is this prevailing trend to dismiss meaning as either there or not there in <em>a single location</em> &#8211; that there is no holistic process of semiosis and hermeneutics, and that there is no meta-analysis of the context of meaning in which anime is situated. There is an endless depth because anime is just a sub-totality within the wholeness of reality, and in such a relation, anime assumes all the meaning present in reality because essentially, they are one in the same. I&#8217;m arguing that depth is <em>always</em> there &#8211; not in a superficial Evangelion or Ergo Proxy fashion &#8211; but <em>in the reality that is connoted</em>, not the reality that is denoted as its own microcosm: anime metonymically connotes the entirety of reality, but denotes only a small focal portion of it.</p>
<p>You may discover a caveat to this interpretation: universes that do not depict our reality, as in, Gundam and whatnot; but do not be fooled, for the denotation is futuristic, the human relations are not. The very fact that any anime is inherently human in its relationships and mentalities, within an envisioned future or otherwise, will only buttress my argument that it is not the content of the meaning but the form, and that there is one and only one form of knowledge &#8211; human knowledge.</p>
<p><strong>Section 2: The &#8220;Creation&#8221; of Meaning</strong></p>
<p>Now we come upon a common debate: that there is no meaning and that viewers create the meaning, or whatever articulation you fancy. Since I stated in Section 1 that meaning is always there, this will refute (1) that meaning is created since this presumes that (2) there was no meaning to begin with. We are not ever really creating meaning, but rather, we are simply viewing the predominant meaning or extracting a more subtle one. In essence, we are viewing anime through different lenses. This is a good description since it&#8217;s widely used around the blogosphere. Another analogy I saw the use of the stencil in <a href="http://animanachronism.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/tengen-toppa-gurren-lagann-rebellion-perfected/">this post</a>. Both the &#8220;lens&#8221; and &#8220;stencil&#8221; imply that only a portion of meaning is taken out &#8211; and this assumes that there is something more, something prior, which is wholeness. In order to use a stencil, you must first have a large wall. In order to have a lens, you must first have a complex body through which you interpret, not in fragments, but in &#8220;dimensions&#8221; or &#8220;flavors&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://omaemo.dasaku.net/2008/05/09/the-lucky-star-ova-slice-of-life-comedy-for-dummies-or-how-to-not-suck-at-anime-appraisal-this-summer/">This post</a> also brings up how you can analyze anime through lenses (without actually referring to the process), in this case genres. The problem with lenses, stencils, genres and any kind of classificatory system, as I&#8217;ve been pointing out this whole time, is that they inherently disregard one thing or another. Comedy or slice of life? Slice of life or comedy? There was a spectrum included that demonstrated how an anime&#8217;s genre is not white and black, that there is a gradient. However, the problem with this is that such a gradient is composed of homogenous fragments (genres) and is still planted within the discourse of anime whose fragmentatious nature always divides, cuts up, divides, chops up, until now we have what is seemingly heterogeneity &#8211; but it is not, since that very gradient is still paradigmatically homogenous, that is to say, each <em>section</em> going from SoL to comedy is homogenous unto itself. This is what Bohm has argued. In trying to strictly define anime, we make our systems of classification smaller and smaller until we have these fundamental units of analysis that constitute anime. We cannot be fooled by the syntagm of heterogeneity.</p>
<p>Hence, the serendipity of our hermeneutics. We may look for one thing, but end up finding another, both of which (all of which) exist within the same wholeness.</p>
<p><strong>Section 3: The Completeness of Semiosis and Hermeneutics</strong></p>
<p>Semiosis and hermeneutics are processes by which meaning is, in Bohm&#8217;s terms, enfolded and unfolded, or through the conduit metaphor, packaged and unpackaged. When meaning is packaged, there is no extra meaning whatsoever. This is the author&#8217;s intent. What the author intends, he or she intends, and that&#8217;s it. However, what they intend and the final products they create are different. They create those universes that connote infinity. However, their denotation &#8211; their intent &#8211; is strictly limited. I&#8217;m expanding (and obfuscating) these terms in that the author&#8217;s intent is both denoted (what is visible) and connoted (what is invisible), while the original connotation is not inserted into the medium, since that is impossible. Culture and wholeness connote denotation. If this is bizarrely confusing read <a href="http://lelangir.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/the-abundance-of-meaning/">this post</a> about Barthes&#8217; &#8220;<a href="http://mh.cla.umn.edu/txtimdb1.html">Photographic Paradox</a>&#8220;. This post is called Part 2 for a reason. I also made a fancy diagram.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cultsock.ndirect.co.uk/MUHome/cshtml/semiomean/semio1.html">Second level signification</a> (or second-order in Barthesian terms) is simply when the denotative acquires a connotation due to culture. That is, when a sign elicits an understanding that is cultural, for instance, the intellectual fanservice in Evangelion. Third level signification refers not even to the meaning which the sign itself produces, but the ideology around it and how it is used. This is the metaphysics of the sign: for instance, lolicon being a staple of otakudom.</p>
<p>Basically, this section being the complement of the first, I&#8217;m saying that while there is an infinite amount of depth in the external reality that is <em>imaginatively internalized</em> within anime, the semiosis of meaning does not insert that specific depth into the final product because the <em>author&#8217;s</em> denotation &#8211; his intent and semiosis &#8211; cannot also contain a connotation. We cannot possibly uncover an inserted connotation within the physical denotation &#8211; that is why we always guess at what the author really meant, and in those rare times when they tell us, they are giving us their <em>own</em> connotation. <strong><em>But </em></strong>we cannot forget that <em>there is</em> a connotation within the denotative anime &#8211; that is wholeness. That is the realm in which we analyze, interpret, misinterpret, create meaning, and so forth. This realm of wholeness is <em>not </em>created by the author, yet this does not make it by any means &#8220;incorrect&#8221;.</p>
<h2>Selected Responses</h2>
<p><strong>IKnight</strong>: I suspect the language of this post is beyond me (especially at 00:15). I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve grasped my own position, that meaning is created whenever the viewer plays the anime, like a musical score; I like it like that because it&#8217;s simple, complex semiotics being mostly beyond me whatever time of day it is! I&#8217;m struggling to see how there can be any meaning in something before it&#8217;s experienced. It might help if I mention that epistemologically I stand somewhere near Berkeley&#8217;s immaterialism (which may explain a lot).</p>
<p>One minor thing I suppose I should mention is that I find it hard to see the way genres, lenses &amp;c always disregard things as a problem. I think of it more as essential to the way we experience the world and think (&#8217;Forgetting meanings is also part of reading&#8217;). But it&#8217;s entirely possible that you were going somewhere else with that, so excuse me if this paragraph is a misstep.</p>
<p>Anyhow, great post, though I think it requires some re-re-reading. I suspect I&#8217;ll be revisiting it.</p>
<p><strong>Mike</strong>: I am also of the opinion that meaning is created. Not all meaning is simply there. I think I would also need to re-read the post, but I strongly disagree that meaning is simply around us. It has to be created, mentioned, or pertained to &#8211; otherwise, how can it exist?</p>
<p><strong>Lelangir</strong>: Animanachronism/Michael: You both brought up meaning-as-experience. I wasn&#8217;t necessarily thinking about meaning in that sense, nor did I even conceive of a possibility of a semantic issue behind &#8220;meaning&#8221; (sorry!), but rather, meaning-as-depth, or meaning as products of analysis. The &#8220;meaning&#8221; you&#8217;re referring to I would agree with, that you can&#8217;t experience anything before it&#8217;s experienced. That makes sense. And I&#8217;m always up for different experiences that can only be created, however, when we analyze anime, I have used &#8220;meaning&#8221; to be defined as its &#8220;physics&#8221; or &#8220;mathematics&#8221; &#8211; its inherent logicalness due to its location within wholeness. That&#8217;s why when we hear the phrase &#8220;that ‘meaning&#8217; is wrong&#8221; I disagree with that &#8211; since a &#8220;wrong&#8221; meaning assumes there is finite meaning. I think we do need to make a distinction between these two definitions, although if I&#8217;m wrong this whole thing goes down the drain!</p>
<p>There is that infinite meaning insofar as it is accessible, and in that case, anime is the medium or gateway to accessing that wholeness, since it is imaginatively internalized. Perhaps it would have sufficed here to bring up Benedict Anderson but he doesn&#8217;t use imagined communities in the same way so that may have convoluted the essay even more.</p>
<p>Animanachronism: I think that lenses and so forth are inherently problematic because they&#8217;re not holistic. This disregarding of other meanings &#8211; a fragmented weltanschauung &#8211; leads to the belief that they are wrong and that, again, meaning is finite. While it is important to forget some meanings while reading, it does not have to be so through lenses, in that meaning can be manipulated to one&#8217;s desire after it is extracted via wholeness. Hypocritically to say the least, I don&#8217;t really know how that&#8217;s possible &#8211; I literally cannot imagine a different mode of interpretation in action &#8211; that is something hard to visualize.</p>
<p><strong>Mike</strong>: Ah, I see more clearly now. In that case, I would have to agree with you. As products of analysis one can never limit meaning in a container or a placement in either right or wrong, black or white. In that case, I agree, meaning is indeed infinite, because otherwise, saying an interpretation is correct or wrong limits the text &#8211; and this is something we do not want.</p>
<p>I would say that while I understand your argument and the gist of your post, like Animanachronism, I was never an expertise in semiotics. Worse, I&#8217;ve never read Roland Barthes like you two. Without the references, however, I still ‘get&#8217; (somewhat) the drive of your post. <img src='http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>Baka-raptor</strong>: As long as you admit it <img src='http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Practically, we can&#8217;t help but box our analyses into neat little categories. Meaning may be infinite but our brains&#8217; capacities aren&#8217;t. We couldn&#8217;t function efficiently if we had to analyze everything from scratch. Imagine:</p>
<p>Me: What kind of show is Lucky Star?<br />
Lelangir: It&#8217;s everything.<br />
Me: *Spaces out*<br />
Lelangir: *Steals my wallet*</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve must admit, this whole Semiosis/Hermeneutics messing with me. My old view was that the author&#8217;s intended interpretation is the only correct one, and anything else is BS. I don&#8217;t expect to change that view drastically, but maybe, thanks to you, I&#8217;ll be less harsh on all those hippies who create extract their own meaning.</p>
<p><strong>IKnight</strong>: Ok, I think I see where you were going with this. So there&#8217;s a kind of inherent meaning (not as experience) to be found in anime because of its origins in, existence as part of, and role in metonymically connoting (I liked that bit), everything? I suspect my unease really is the product of my immaterialism, then: my idea of ‘everything&#8217; is horribly contingent and doubt-ridden.</p>
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