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By: Are-are » Next Episode: Baka-Raptor

Are-are » Next Episode: Baka-Raptor — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:13:00 +0000

[...] my readers on notice that their comments are subject to censorship (unlike that sleazebag lelangir, who censors comments without warning) – Letting my readers know that I take the time to read every word they [...]

By: Glo the Legend

Glo the Legend — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:21:42 +0000

…..wayyyyyy over my head.

By: anitations - collected discourse on Clannad AS end

anitations - collected discourse on Clannad AS end — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:34:41 +0000

[...] lelangir’s tl;dr response: The take-away message is that in our viewing of Clannad (or any sort of time travel) we have to [...]

By: The closing bracket « Pontifus

The closing bracket « Pontifus — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:00:40 +0000

[...] represents the final few textual cues (provided you read/watch the end last), the culmination of narrative time; it becomes a lens which will forever tint my thoughts on all events before it. In Clannad’s [...]

By: catface210

catface210 — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:34:13 +0000

Just saying that when that whole explosion happened, my face: 0~o’ What the fuck.
Thanks again, Kyoani. Making me go through this all over again and then pulling a “Hey it’s all good. None of that actually happened.” Didn’t something similar happen in Kanon? >>
Oh well, it still wrapped it up nicely anyway. Mad, but still happy it ended like that. I had a feeling that they were going to do that anyway. *sigh* Oh well, I guess it’s a nice ending once I get over them putting me through all that drama…And after I fume for a bit.

By: lelangir

lelangir — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:47:28 +0000

karisu: actually you bring up an extremely salient part – I wonder if this should even be counted as dues ex because Kyoani planned it from the start. Cop-out, or fatalistic choice? The latter – so it’s the viewer’s fault for being upset with all this. Nice reminder!

RM: i dunno…

shin: the only posts of mine that are “satirical jokes” are sexually hyperbolic joke comics – this is srs bsns dood.

By: purelyshin

purelyshin — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:19:32 +0000

@lelangir

“Is there anything else” I’m not quite sure what you mean, but if you’re referring to a third form of narrative…I am sure that they are out there, however in accordance with thinking/design methodology it is explained that current interactive conventions really only follow these two paths. In a sense, any visual media with which you can’t interact is is literally categorized as linear. However, from your analysis I think we can see that this isn’t completely true. The discord and your thoughts are starting to bridge the viewing into interactive non sequential cognition….even if it is purely psychological.

Congrats btw, you made me think and reread your post. That really never happens. In all dumb honesty I first thought that it was a satirical joke. hehe

By: RM

RM — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:11:31 +0000

Clannad has become the Neon Genesis of Harem Anime. Complete with a seemingly nonsensical ending. However, unlike NGE, the ending actually makes sense if you think about it. Tomoya hated this town but he ended up helping so many of its residents and releasing Ushio’s light.

If you think about it, it wouldn’t really make sense that Tomoya helped all of those people linerally. He has been looping time over and over again that finally resulted in the miracle ending. Dues ex machina only applies if the ending came out of nowhere. This was not one of those endings.

By: Karisu

Karisu — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:54:16 +0000

Maybe I’m in the minority (which I’m shocked to find out), but I thought Clannad’s ending was perfect. I was very happy with how the story resolved. It had all been setup from the very first episode. Heck the very last shot of the show was in the season 1 OP (Ushio laying in the grass, Fuko looking down at her).

Rewatching the series knowing exactly what’s going on in the dream world and all the other little hints that are scattered throughout the show will be a joy.

By: lelangir

lelangir — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:48:45 +0000

purely: that’s an interesting thought, I like the notion that we’re preconditioned to view tv series in a binary, either linear or nonlinear, though is there anything else? I can see how previous emotions can seem to be “defiled”, maybe that’s like you find out your wife of 30+ years never loved you and was a whore (or something?)? Though, I wanted to get – at least a tiny bit – the psychological mechanisms behind “emotions”, and “time”, though I’m no cognitive psychologist, as I’ve repeatedly said…

@zen-chan: wut wut wut smoked cheese, aru ka? only 1057 words i no understand yur point

soya: fangirling minds are wonderful things

By: soyahoney

soyahoney — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:51:13 +0000

I have noticed such things in which you have stated in your post. Although, I tend to ignore them because they will interfere with my fangirling mind. The anime and especially if KyoAni is involved, will mesh together psychological, realistic, and supernatural themes. At the end, I enjoyed the series even if most people tuned it out. ^^

By: Zentari

Zentari — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:25:13 +0000

@lelangir: If you want to say something , say it using your own damn nick instead of mine.Making your point using less than 9000+ words might be impossible for you but this at least should be easy…

By: purelyshin

purelyshin — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:53:28 +0000

I feel that a lot of Clannad discourse comes from the fact that we are conditioned to either see a series as following laws of reflexivity/thomas theorem or seeing the narrative as linear. Clannad tries to exist in both of these places, which it manages to do well artistically. However, since a television series is by nature (influenced by larger audiences) ruled to be linear, there was dissonance at the end when the two concepts converged. So we buy into this mixture and invest ourselves in this world that can play both sides of the fence. For me the reset defiled that investment and left me with a linear conclusion. Both worlds died in the first one and we were left with the end that we originally “wanted” but the characters weren’t who I thought they would be.

By: Bonifacio

Bonifacio — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:43:02 +0000

The main problem with CLANNAD’s ending in the TV series was the fact that it felt trite and, ultimately, a betrayal of all the emotional attachments the (TV) viewer had build with the characters, as it would seem that they were hammered by emotional low point after emotional low point… Only for those events to be erased almost casually by a magical plot device that was mostly downplayed for the two seasons (Fuuko and Misae aside). A game player, however, would know for a fact that the True End (Nagisa surviving) only comes after a lengthy playthrough of ALL THE OTHER MAJOR ROUTES of the game in a proxy Easter Egg hunt, as a sort of reward for the player working through all those routes (for the uninitiated, the average CLANNAD route takes anywhere from 1 to 2 hours to complete, and even then after a few reloads). It works in the context of the Non-Linearity of the VN, but it stumbles in execution in the TV series.

By: Bob

Bob — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:06:04 +0000

… who deleted my real comment -_-