Gundam 00 S2 – 10: A Final Solution to the Seel Question.
Nice try Sunrise but making the A-Laws /k/ommandos only makes them GDI at most. Still I am surprised that Sunrise looked to /k/ of all places for pointers on the Middle East. (picture courtesy of my fellow /k/ommandos)
By the betraying Kurdistan Seelians had made themselves pariahs among the nations, incapable of winning allies, helots in the service of Azadistani infidels and Azadistani capital, and deprived of all self-respect. I warned you that in 10 years’ time, the your people will curse the parties who now boast of having made the Great Betrayal. You laughed and cast us out, but now you will soon see that what I declared then was no idle boast.
By crowning Shaddam IV Sultan and taking in Kataron, you handed over your “sacred” Seel Motherland to some of the greatest demagogues of all time. I prophesied to you that these evil men would plunge your Sultanate into the abyss and will inflict immeasurable woe on your nation. Future generations will curse you all in your graves for this action. That time is sooner than you dare think.
You people of the Seel don’t know what you are doing. Your country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don’t know what you’re talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the Federation. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let their Federation be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it… Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The Federation can make a GN Tau drive, Orbital Elevator, or Ion Cannon; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you or Kataron make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth—right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from help for your ancient treachery against the Kurdish people as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If you people will but stop and think, you must see in the end that you will surely fail. – Prince Ali
Note: Calawain is busy with “teh Law” School finals so wish the poor guy luck. As he has more important things to attend to it’s just me this week…
And she’s still not there…
Many years ago Leesa was a 17 year old college student who had just finished her thesis, while flirting around with Billy and leading him on, Kujou had skipped her classes on Clausewitz and had a very mistaken notion about war. While Leesa looked up to Katie, Leesa was not nearly as dedicated to her future profession and because she never took heed of Clauswitz’s wisdom the slaying of her own dear Emilio led her onto the terrorist path of impractical idealism. Had Leesa been a more dedicated student she would have realized that “Action in war is like movement in a resistant element. Just as the simplest and most natural of movements, walking, cannot easily be performed in water, so in war it is difficult for normal efforts to achieve even moderate results.”
Clausewitz once said, “Kind-hearted people might of course think there was some ingenious way to disarm or defeat the enemy without too much bloodshed, and might imagine this is the true goal of the art of war. Pleasant as it sounds, it is a fallacy that must be exposed: war is such a dangerous business that the mistakes which come from kindness are the very worst.” How right he was…
Toying with Billy will get you in trouble.
“If the mind is to emerge unscathed from this relentless struggle with the unforeseen, two qualities are indispensable: first, an intellect that, even in the darkest hour, retains some glimmerings of the inner light which leads to truth; and second, the courage to follow this faint light wherever it may lead. ” Clausewitz would have been proud of you Mein Oberst.
Kataron is discontent over the current state of affairs and the nation of Seel which had squandered its wealth that they gained off of information during the war years has been all but spent. Seeking to counter the local Federation forces Seel prepares for war, as Kataron proposes that all the false propaganda that they have created over the years be given over to them as Seel fights a war that it cannot win. Kataron it seems has a network of fifth columnists popularly known as reporters, however most of them were drawn from faux news and were as much allies of the truth as Himmler was a friend of the Jews. Shirin ever the hypocrite would have Seel be destroyed as she steals their propaganda and then has the gall to preach about fighting to restore Azadistan and further oppress the Kurds. Seems the only fighting Shirin has in mind is from behind Seel. Shrin cries bout having been robbed of her homeland while conveniently forgetting that she had done the same to the Kurds…typical Kataron sentiment what they do is not evil, but if some one does the same thing it then becomes vile. They have also set up their kiddie meat shield in their new base as well, how noble of them to hide behind children as well. They have also told the fat kid all sorts of lies such as Seel having already been attacked well before any was even made.
Feddie Regulars have it hard, so many Tieriens…
Even Sergei felt that Seel was plotting something.
It will be war.
Meanwhile at the border Sergei and his commander can already smell that Seel has been mobilizing and preparing for an offensive. As unfortunate as this is the A-Laws have been tasked with one last attempt to avert an all out war. Goodman tasks Lindt with getting Memento Mori online, Seel has already mobilized and has made contact with Kataron. Homer has signaled that there are to be no more sacrifices and with substantial Innovator help and Wang’s funding the completion of the orbital Ion Cannon was nearly compete. Goodman gives Katie free reign and information to pursue CB at Lagrange 3, reinforcements have been provided for with Bring Stabity in GARzzo. Bring Stabity proves how once again that Jihad-kun is an inferior pilot by handing the Azadistani lackey his ass. Now that three pilots have beaten the crap out of Gundam 00 the need for the O-Raiser is now needed more than ever to make up for the sheer amount of suck that Jihad-kun possesses.
That means negotiations have already failed…let’s hope they end this discreetly.
Yeah because stirring up shit with the Feddies is noble and just.
Seel thinks it can fight the big boys eh?
Bring Stabity was so manly and GAR that the loser Marie trembled in fear at his mere presence, such a feeling was not to be found with Revival as Stabity was far more bad ass and had been training with Prince Ali. Tieria thinks the pilot of GARzzo is an Innovator because of the sheer amount of skill, such skills are woefully lacking in Teiria of course as he is a failed experiment that had taken on Lockon Mk I’s inferiority to the School of the Undefeated of the Middle East. Once at Lagrange 3 Anew Returner makes her first appearance as she was sent by Ms. Wang, Tieria fails to notice though because Titeria’ll be dreaming of Ribbons tonight till tomorrow I’ll be holding you tight and there’s nowhere in the world I’d rather be than here in here room dreaming about Ribbons and her. With Anew’s help Jihad-kun can finally use Trans-Am because the rotten traitor has been bitching about his inability to use hax to confront Stabity, Bob, and Prince Ali.
So they profited off all of the Big Three during the solar wars…legitimate earnings in in the Wang tradition.
And yet they want war, I suppose it’s not so evil as it is stupid.
Again I wonder how the Federation can misgovern the Middle East when they have no sovereignty over places like Seel. I suppose the Great Federation Satan is still being used…
While everyone is working Saji and Marie decide to flirt, Saji professes to wanting to meet Louise and never leave her again, but it all sounds so stupid while Louise is suffering from the effects of GN poisoning as Saji lives comfortably musing about how he killed people. Ribbons takes the time to thank Ms. Wang as he demonstrates the full power of his new battle station and sets his course for Alderaan. Prince Ali catches Nena hacking, and Nena attacks Prince Ali who manhandles her superbly. Nena still sucks after all this time and was undoubtedly violated one way or another by Prince Ali, with any luck we shall see her corpse soon enough. Though, Prince Ali in his infinite wisdom may have spared Nena once again so that Louise might have the pleasure of killing Nena to avenge her family. Goodman fires the Ion Cannon at the Nod temple in an effort to kill Kane. The blast was precise and struck the Seel Palace within mere feet of the Sultan and the Kataron delegation. Sadly the shock wave was greater than anticipated and sent out a shockwave that produced a cloud of dust that advanced all the way to the border. While idle speculation would have you erroneously believe that Sergei was caught in the blast, it is all false. A cloud of dirt cannot kill the Wild Bear and only such vile deceit could have been manufactured by Marie who pretended to care by screaming out while knowing full well that sound doesn’t travel through space and that Sergei is not a super soldier or newtype.
Because Kataron News is fair and balanced…
A slip of tongue, because for Klaus the Middle East is the only part of the world that matters.
Ah the kiddie meat shield will be quite operational when the Federation arrives…
Impression:
So yes the A-Laws have plenty of /k/ommandos on their team, still since the crater was not nearly as big and until I see Sergei taken out by a cloud of dirt on the scale of evil it was much less than a colony drop, or colony gassing. Given how it seemed to be a tip off about a government preparing for a strike against the Federation, I rate this as a Hiroshima for the time being and will upgrade it if the crater is bigger. For a kick the dog moment it was pretty precise and the target was the palace. Sure there will be moral war fags crying bout how this is so very vile, but honestly since Seel was trying to start a formal war where many more could have been killed as a result this orbital strike isn’t as clear cut as that really. Any one who thinks this was just pure evil will be blatantly ignoring how a full blown shooting war between Seel and the Federation would have probably cause more casualties in the long run any way.
Commence Primary Ignition.
Dantooine is too remote to make an effective demonstration…
I see like Azadistan in Seel it is perfectly noble to let the commoners be poor while the Sultan lives in a fancy palace…
Besides it be rather silly of Homer to not make good on his resolve to end threats to the Federation sooner rather than later with even heavier losses in personnel. I have to say I like how the Feddies used gunboat diplomacy here. Seel tried to bring in Kataron and the Federation, with no small amount of help from the Innovators and Wang, made one brutally cold and calculated strike on the enemy capital. The implication is clear any state that will wage war against the Federation and harbors Kataron will be treated as an enemy. It also signals a willingness to step up from limited conventional war to Total War if Kataron and CB persist in threatening the Federation. For a kick the dog moment it was not nearly as heartless or malicious given how it was meant to kill Seel’s national leaders who would make war and give Kataron shelter and support. Personally because the A-Laws have a few /k/ommandos I like them even more now. Given how Kataron needs their own new network in Ikeda it is clear that Kataron runs Faux News to counter JNN and wishes to make up all manner of lies about 4chan.
You did not seriously think the Federation would allow you to negotiate with your terrorist allies in peace did you?
That’s why you came to me. Isn’t it, Goodman? Because you knew I could do those things that you weren’t capable of doing. Well, it worked. And you’ll get what you want: no long war between the Federation and the Middle East. And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Federation from another costly war at a time when she is engaged on two fronts with no victory in sight. And in the end all it cost were the lives of one terrorist delegation, one belligerent government, one enemy city, and the self-respect of one A-Laws officer. I don’t know about you, but I’d call that a bargain.
At 1900 Hours station time, the Ion Cannon fired on the al Seel. We have already captured fifteen “impregnable” staging areas along the border. So this is a huge victory for the Federation! This may even be the turning point of the entire war against Kataron. So…I lied; I cheated; I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men; I am an accessory to murder. But the most damning thing of all is… I think I can live with it. And if I’d have to do it all over again…I would. Lindt was right about one thing…a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Federation. So I will learn to live with it…because I can live with it. I can live with it. Computer, erase that entire personal log.
It cannot be said that any nation would tolerate another nation mobilizing for war and openly helping out a belligerent terrorist threat, as such it was understandable for the Feddies to use a big orbital stick to make their point clear. The Feddie war against Kataron had been going on for 3 years and for any outside nation to think that they could get away with harboring Kataron without consequences was idiotic to say the least. The Feddies aren’t dumb they have enough experience from the Solar Wars to know when a country is mobilizing for war. Hence even Feddie Regulars were aware of the tense situation. Oberstein would be awfully proud the Federation acted decisively in order to make it clear to any who would make war and help their enemies would face the full might of the Federation. If it had been simply for lulz it might have made the A-Laws true heirs of the Titans, but again it’s really hard to ignore that Seel was stirring up shit already and they ought to have known that even negotiating with Kataron alone would have brought Federation retribution.
ZOMG vast Liberal Media Conspiracy, Shirin must create a no spin zone immediately!
How vile of the Federation to stop the entry of weapons and contraband!
Because the Federation would never let you keep Kurdistan, how typically Azadistani.
Sure it wasn’t nice of the Feddies to wipe out an enemy capital, but Kataron hasn’t been nice to the Federation and neither was Seel for taking a hostile stance and harboring known enemies of the Federation. It is not evil nor was it the deliberate killing of civilians for the sake of killing civilians, but like the atomic bombings the question remains whether or not it was more moral to end a conflict by wiping out many in a single blow or killing many more on both sides in a protracted engagement? I don’t consider this evil at all, brutal yes, but it was a calculated brutality against known enemies and those who would harbor them. It was unfortunate, but again wiping out the enemy capital where the belligerent government and probably most of their military leadership is based is hardly outside of the conduct of war hell even precision weapons cause collateral damage. Kataron and Seel wanted a war, now the Federation is telling them in no uncertain terms that they are more than willing to give them all that they want. Besides considering how the orbital ion cannon is more environmentally sound than atomics, at least the Federation is wiping out enemy cities harboring known terrorist threats with consideration to the environment.
That is the most evil thing that happened in the whole episode, Shirin emboldened Princess Poverty to continue her evil ways of being a couch potato…
What lies Kataron tells! The orbital strike would come later, and if they knew…well I guess it would have been most just for Kataron to give no warning and allow the civilians to die along with their delegation.
If nothing else one of the better aspects of this episode was that Anew was hawt…sometimes it’s what you don’t show that matters.
Another thing that kind of makes it less one sided is that Seel and Kataron set a city full of people as the place to negotiate. One would think that perhaps a more discreet location could have been chosen. Also since Kataron was being watched it was awfully dumb to think the Federation would not be tracking them once inside the city. Here again Kataron was sort of using the city as a meat shield too, Haruhi-sama knows that the Federation would like nothing more than to stop any state from even negotiating with them. The minute Kataron set foot in the city the entire population was already at risk given how the Feddies don’t believe in pulling punches when it comes to Kataron. Whether they intended to or not Kataron certainly could have chosen a better location since they were on the run, I fail to see how hiding in a crowd made them all the braver for it. Then again maybe Sunrise is saying that they think /k/ommandos are evil.
Yeah she went rogue.
Patrick wished that he was there…oddly enough this means that Patrick is probably younger than Katie.
If only Emilio were as good as Patrick…then Sumeragi would not have accepted their idiot ideology.
At any rate Sumeragi’s best friend and only intel source Ms. Wang was in on it so it was CB approved in absentia any way. They can rage about it later, but they did choose to flee from Prince Ali and save their own hides instead of actually protecting any one. I don’t know about the rest of you but I find cowards who run off to save their own asses to be more vile than guys who’d rather make war a short affair while sparing the lives of their own troops. Besides if you were given the chance to end a war quickly by killing off the enemy leadership and the terrorist leadership along with some rich bastards of a poor country (remember all the Middle Eastern economies have collapsed) plus their toadies and a few beggars and other assorted starving souls or risk a long hard war that will result in plenty of casualties for both yourself and your enemy, which you choose? Would you fire the Ion Cannon and end it there or would you rather go through life knowing that because of your inaction that even more people had died and more infrastructure and tax dollars (remember war is expensive and takes money away from other things like subsidized health care) were lost? You might negotiate, but given how Seel and Kataron have spurned negotiation and have persisted in fighting for three years in the case of the latter, then losing a few thousand here a few thousand more there might be more palatable even if the war lasts an indeterminate number of years longer with an indeterminate casualty rate. You have no guarantee your ceasefires will work if at all and how can you explain to your people how it is permissible to negotiate with terrorists when you have fought them off so well. Either way people will be dying…so how many of your own men are you willing sacrifice in addition to the enemy for the sake of your own conscience? Are you so high minded as to put your own conscience as being worth more than the lives of your men?
Indeed, if only Kujou had used her fertile mind to be like Hosaka instead, this would not have happened.
So long as there are men there will be wars. Even now out in our world some one is waging war against someone else. It’s also more than one…
Patrick will be Katie’s waifu, count on it.
Lack of morality in war and /k/ommando evil aside the thing I do no like about this is that now quantum brain waves are firmly in Newtype territory as Marie seemed to be able to predict the future. Still since Marie is an excitable bitch and how this is still a Sunrise series Sergei is fine, hell Hal even got brought back so resurrection is still at work here. It will be fun to watch Hal raep Marie now that Gundam 00 has brought back Hal to make up for Jihad-kun’s lack of skill. Next time it seems that there will be a better battle and I hope that Bushido Bob will make his return to kick Jihad-kun’s ass. Otherwise Bob will be Acre late again, and allow Bring Stabity to kick Jihad-kun’s ass for him. I am most curious to see what took place after Prince Ali gave Nena a good beating. Either way I am sure Prince Ali will not disappoint.
Now, now Katie, Patrick was only thinking of you when he made your meal…
Poor Patrick will have his hands full catering to his Katie when they marry…
Taisaaaaaa…
As I said before Shirin is starting to shovel shit and it’s hard not to laugh at her own hypocrisy when her beloved Azadistan was oppressing Kurds and had done far worse than the Federation. I still do no agree with Sunrise telling us about how the Federation has created an even greater dystopia while showing us the serene cityscapes in Feddie territory. Shirin is obviously a hypocrite who talks about fighting when she was fully prepared to let Seel fight while she and Kataron hid. I grow tired of having to rely on Kataron reports of how vile the Federation has been when they have been too lazy to show us proof. Kicking Seel in the teeth was all fine and well but again much of the implication of evil is lost once you realize that Seel has been spoiling for a fight and had been helping a band of terrorists who have attacking the Federation for 3 years. The insistence that we should be seeing Shirin in a sympathetic light is really undercut by her own hypocrisy and Kataron’s stupidity. There really isn’t much to really paint the Federation as evil, in fact they are probably more well behaved than some nations in existence today, and yet it would be naïve to label them evil out of hand.
Besides Aeolia wasn’t a saint, creating a band of self righteous terrorists to impose his will one every one, and he didn’t create the Innovators over night…unless human experimentation is alright for Aeolia, but not the HRL.
So you say, as you flirt with Marie…
Gee I sure hope those three Feddie Frigates aren’t there to kick your lying cheating ass Saji.
Let me guess Saji also stole your meds.
Anew Returner is hawt and obviously working for Ribbons, so I suppose that when comparing the A-Laws to CB at least the former is more aware of the Innovators and has some suspicions where as CB is blind and fails to see the potential threat. I hope that it will be Anew that pilots GN Archer since they bothered to mention her piloting ability. Ms. Wang is up to no good as usual but it is fast coming time for us to see her reasons for stirring up shit. This episode cast a bit of doubt over who was Prince Ali’s real employer, but I suppose it doesn’t matter to the hero of Kurdistan. Poor Patrick has become more and more Katie’s waifu though all of his efforts have only irritated Katie who was mulling over operational details. Hopefully Katie will apologize to Patrick for being harsh, though it was fun to watch Patrick beg for a new suit and get rejected and scared. The rivalry between Sumeragi and Katie is starting to heat up, but they have yet to explain how Eiffman and Billy of the Union were interacting with Katie and Leesa of the AEU. At least they showed how Katie was the more practical of the two in setting attainable goals for her job rather than taking the Sumeragi path and skip classes on Clausewitz and fill her head with ideals that have no place in the conduct of war. We now know why Katie has been the better of the two on the field of combat, as Katie was the master while Sumeragi was a fallen apprentice.
Well Patrick can dream can’t he?
She’s really pissed today.
It seems the only thing that puts the fear in Patrick is Katie, yeah he’ll make a fine waifu for Katie.
So in the end it seems the A-Laws are only /k/ommandos which kind of undercuts any claim to evil even with this dog kicking, it was probably morally wrong, but what place do morals really have in war? Seel was mobilizing and negotiating with Kataron, war was going to happen and if so why not end it quickly and without risking massive casualties in a ground campaign and storming of a city? Morality is only talked about when a side can afford to anyway and using the /k/ommando solution wasn’t solely because of them as the Innovators and Ms. Wang had a helping hand as well. I wonder when CB will realize that the more they attack the Federation and help Kataron the more justification the Innovators have to trying to wipe them out, so far they have yet to raise a finger against Ribbons and remain idiotically insistent on fighting the Federation grunts rather than go for the jugular with their great power. Still I suppose CB will never get over their own stupidity and now that Jihad-kun needs an upgrade to fight I suppose it is only a matter of time before the Federation comes up with a counter. I hope it will be Bob and that Prince Ali can still kick Jihad-kun’s ass even if the little traitor has a new toy.
Translation: Raep Tyme!
They sucked as pilots, get over it.
Wait isn’t this the dumb bitch that killed off the Halevy family? Well I never could say no to a cool 50 mil.
That’s Prince Ali to you bitch!
So how did it feel Nena to lose your whole family right before your eyes? Do onto others what you would have done to you, Prince Ali always said…so tell me punk do you feel lucky? Well DO YOU?!
I tell ya Prince Ali is one hell of a dancing partner.
Prince Ali will kill you too Nena…
Oh Nena got rejected.
Is that fear I smell CB scum…
I’d like to see you try Nena, but Louise was willing to pay money for the pleasure of killing you…
Comrade Haesslich said something about who wears the pants in THAT relationship…
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More heavy handed, one-sided, universal morality licenses, come and get yours!
… since when did Nena get freckles?
Skipping over all the morality play that’s going on here, that’s the only thing that comes to mind. That and ‘now we know who wears the pants in THAT relationship’. Oh, and Louise looks pretty good even when she’s gone emo, unlike say… Tieria.
And is this General Macneill-level evil, or Director Redmond Boyle-level?
@skoll
Shirin is turning into quite a hypocrite, perhaps this is all just retribution for their occupation of Kurdistan.
@Haesslich
Nena’s freckles tended to disappear from time to time last season, but she did have them last time she met Prince Ali.
You mentioned something about pants I have just the thing for you…
We’re in Macneill territory, It’s not like Seel and Kataron are the nicest people on earth, and 00bama is not as depraved as Boyle, yet…
I’m surprised noone mentioned that since Sumeragi was 17, she would have been illegal for Billy anyway as he would have been 22. Anyway we finally see A-Laws doing something is actually evil. They obliterated a city that was refusing to agree with them. We are finally getting somewhere, although it is a bit over the top and sometimes the personal touch really adds to it.
This reminds me of the part last season where the fundamentalist Islamist hardliner was actually ‘keeping the balance’ and was actually a ‘nice guy’. I wonder whether there are any real terrorist characters in 00, or are they all relegated to off-screen events or ‘actually nice guys’ positions.
No better way than raising a flock of bleating sheep to the tune of faux counterculture than mixing it in with everyone’s favorite cartoon series….
If you’re fat and ugly, it makes you automatically evil. Thanks for the lesson Gundam.
Oh and when Saji says he’d never want to leave Louise, it means she’d have to be the one leaving everything (even her goal of revenge) for him, of course. You’re no Patrick, Saji, and stay away from my Louise.
And I’m probably the only one who’s interested in Andrei and how he’ll cope with what happened in this episode. I enjoy family drama.
Overall, a very satisfying episode. With the whole trio of the 00 upgrades/cannon fodder/hallelujah events, the next episode looks to be very promising.
Also on a side note: Fullmetal…… o_o! OMFG!
Since Marie’s only obsessed with Allelujah, and 00’s delusion-inducing particles woke up Hallelujah, my guess those particles woke Soma up too and it was actually Soma yelling out for the General with her voice-that-reaches-across-the-stars. Which means there’s hope yet for her return! If Soma returns, I get the feeling they’ll throw her in GN Archer and she and (H)Al will double team and do some combined robot merging action
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Anew’s gonna cause some ruckus within CB…and hopefully Hong Long drop kicks her sister before she gets too out of hand.
On a different note, they sure brought out GENESIS ver. 3 out rather early…it’s only episode 10 and they’ve got an uber-cannon to deal with already.
@Jarmel
Who knows what their standards are 300 years in the future. It could be vastly different from our rules and approve of underagedgirlxcreepygoat or even brotherxsister (hong long and liu mei) incest action.
before reading and watching: lol@the map….NICEJOB@israel.
@Jarmel
The age of consent in certain placesis certainly lower than it is for some places, and for a Japanese audience 17 is not necessarily wrong…
That being said Seel wasn’t just disagreeing, Kataron hinted that even the Seel Sultan was stirring up shit in a bit of saber rattling. To disagree is one thing quite another to be in disagreement, goad the other side, mobilize and invite the terrorist group that has bee attacking your enemy for 3 years over for tea. Seel was doing some provocative things and got nailed for it. It was the same scenario in 1967 when Egypt and Syria were parading their armies on the Israeli Border, closing the straits of Tiran, expelling the UN peacekeepers, and upping the rhetoric. Suffice to say the Israelis’ thought the worst and launched Operation Focus that opened up the Six Day War. Labels of evil probably don’t apply here given how Seel was not minding its own business when the orbital strike as called. Placing MS outside of the Palace during a meeting with Kataron pointed to Seel expecting trouble given how they had been aggravating the Feddies as well.
@skoll
Yes, it seem Ayatollah Rachmadi was playing the conservatives for suckers, because the Azadistani infidels were too dumb to realize they were being played like chumps, kind of like how Jihad-kun and his little band are.
@meliadoul
I am sure Andrei would be a better man for Louise to help her get back on her feet, for all Saji’s talk he sure hasn’t taken any steps to finding Louise again…
Goodman is an good guy, its written in his name. Besides the agents of evil always come with the most fair of appearances…
@Zenebatos
Full Metal Alchemist is indeed coming back!
Don’t forget Anew.
@Salyu
If it takes Hal raeping Marie to bring back Soma so be it. I prefer to have Soma back and ready to finish the job she started in season 1…
As for GN Archer that belongs to Anew Returner. Though if it is Soma I hope she steals it and brings it back to Sergei. Hong Long is a punk ass do nothing loser. Anew returner can kick his ass, they are cylons after all. I am sure Memento Mori will get a nerf in the next patch, besides we havn’t seen the crater yet, who knows it might be small and the shock wave was a mere cloud of dust.
@lelangir
God does not abandon his chosen people after all.
Many /k/ommandos were surprised.
hmm, colony lasers seem to be the nukes (or WMD for those PC types) of the gundamverse, though the event was not 100% evil, it is still in the area of overkill, like going after a housefly with a bazooka overkill, and seeing that it was GN powered, there will possibly be a mass outbreak of GN aids to add to the kick the dog moment (or upgrade it to rape the dog)
oh crusader, that dirt cloud heading the wild bears way would do some damage to his ship, don’t forget that many weapons (like fuel air explosive bombs for example) work by using shockwaves to damage/destroy things.
on a side note, poor patrick, was only trying to help…
i don’t really get some peoples love for prince ali, to me he just seems to be a psycho who loves blood and violence and has a boner for murder, nena did some horrible things and is rightly considered evil, yet ali does the same and he’s considered awesome, double standard much?
As much as I think the leaders who got blown up probably got what they deserved I have to side with them, money grubbing terrorist love ways and all, based on what I’ve seen. The shtick the Federation seems to be ‘Do What We Say Or Die’. Now, we’ve seen that doing what the Federation says seems to have pretty nice results, at least for some people, but just because they are offering something nice doesn’t mean anyone who refuses their offer deserves a space laser enema.
I suspect a Federation controlled and regulated Middle East would be more beneficial and hospitable for everyone involved but that is beside the point. It doesn’t matter if joining the Federation makes puppies rain down from the sky and cures everyone’s cancer automatically, using military force to take away a sovereign nations right to choose its own path is simply a naughty thing to do.
Insert Reductio ad Hitlerum arguments at your leisure.
Anew Returner. Finally a chick among the Innovators.
If Alols is GDI, then we need Nod! One vision! One purpose! In the name of Kane! For only GDI serve the decendant and the rich. The Brotherhood will share the technology of peace among the people!
@blind_dead_mcjones
I doubt the shock wave was that awesome to have runt that kind of distance and over take a natural terrain feature. Oddly enough the shot they used to show the blast looked nothing like the city we saw before so given the rather inconsistent presentation of the local terrain I doubt we can extrapolate much about the effects of the blast. I am not sure GN-AIDS is in the works given how all GN-Tau powered weapons barring Nena’s seems to have no ill effects on any one else as Kataron has had a face full of it on occasion and it hardly bothers them much.
It was excessive but I think it carried the point across. Seel was openly mobilizing for war and agitating for it, not to mention harboring Kataron. The Feddie strike was a clear message to all who would wish to provoke them and give Kataron shelter that they were no longer in the mood to tolerate it any more. Just like how Operation Focus sent shockwaves across the Arab world in 1967 a spectacular display can go a long way in making your enemies think twice. Seel was the greatest military power in the Middle East and they were made an example of. They could have glassed the whole place but in striking the capital they showed some restraint.
Patrick will not be deterred by this and undoubtedly the Immortal Colasour is trying to give dear Katie a kiss to make it all better.
Every one knows Prince Ali is pissing out evil, but that’s the point he’s unapologetically rotten and not making any excuses for the stuff he does. In Ali you have an honest man whose motivations are clear. Nena pretends to be fighting for a better world, but probably isn’t. Don’t take the praise for Ali here too seriously, most of it is due to him being badass normal to the point that the meisters have a challenge rather than a bunch of cannon fodder opposing them. Besides when Ali is around the chances of character death is pretty high, and so far only his kills have denied the possibility of resurrection. If nothing else it’s because there is a character like Prince Ali around that it feels almost like a Tomino Gundam where people did die for reals instead of having a revolving door of death.
Prince Ali isn’t being a pretentious idealist like CB, that alone makes him more tolerable because he’s not giving us angst and bullshit. Not only that Prince Ali has killed off plenty more evil characters as he has meisters. After all Prince Ali did take down the Brothers Trinity, and Lagna Harvey, that’s more evil dudes than Jihad-kun and the rest of CB combined. With Prince Ali evil feeds upon itself too, and Nena has yet to make a kill worth cheering for.
It’s almost like having a serial killer who targets rapists, murder is wrong, but it cannot be said we pity the victims either and whole condemn the psycho.
@Yukimura
It wasn’t as clear cut as that, Seel was rattling its saber, and even today it’s not like we tolerate states who sponsor terrorism. Even if the Federation was excessive, it wasn’t entirely without cause. It’s not about what is right in war after all, Seel chose to accept Kataron and antagonize the Federation as well, it’s not too surprising the Feddies gave them a sucker punch for it. Seel had a right to choose, but the Feddies had and equal right to fight an enemy that was preparing to strike and give safe haven to a terrorist group that they had been fighting for years. Azadistan did not antagonize the Feddies and was left alone until Prince Ali burned them out. In fact in the case of Azadistan the Feddies leaving them alone was part of the problem, in Seel’s case their leaders were aggravating the situation as well. Seel certainly seemed to want a war in inviting Kataron over for tea and place a heavy guard out side the palace, if they could do so casually in their own capital they ought to have known that the Feddies would have done something about it.
If North Korea decides to go nuclear again, it’d be hard for South Korea to simply let the North Koreans be. North Korea has the “right” to go nuclear, but the South does have the “right” to defend itself too. Again diplomacy is anathema to morality just as much as war is too.
@Jubbz
I sure hope Anew says a girl, though GN magic is pretty amazing when we also take Titeria into consideration.
@Di Gi Kazune
We have NOD already, they’re called CB, just substitute Veda for Kabal, and Aeolia for Kane.
Ali = god.I was like ‘time for bullet breakfast bitch!!’
I concur with mcjones. I have no particular love for Ali.
inb4alienswithfleia
[...] some shit is based off shit and ends up as shit (Index). I guess you could throw Gundam 00 into the “Well it was going to be entertaining anyway” category and Linebarrels into the “It was okay in manga form but now it’s awful” [...]
I seriously lol’d at the map xD
Loved the episode but I will be REALLY annoyed if Sergei died :S
FMA teaser ftw
Please, Mister Director Sir, let Anew be both male and female. Regardless, I would hit Anew like a SELECT TARGET. ION CANNON ACTIVATED. So A-LAWS = GDI, Kataron = NOD?, though the chubby dude(who looks like Kevin Smith by the way) leading the latter isn’t anywhere as awesome as Kane.
Demanding Ali x Nena rape doujins. Stat! And I can so see the genderbent version of Kati and Patrick working out.
You do realize if the Federation did really destroy the entire Middle East just as shown in the first pic, they just going to piss off the world’s entire Muslim population who now wants them dead for destroying two of the Holy Cities of Islam(Three if Israel was also destroy which in turn would anger most Jews and Christians since their Holy sites are destroyed too.).
@Crusader
Just because Seel was threatening a war does not constitute dropping essentially the equivalent of a nuclear bomb on a civilian target such as the capital without warning or even provacation, which the Federation did, atleast the US warned Japan that they were going to do it and asked for their surrender. This is essentially scaring the world to go along with them, which a government should never do. A government is for the people not the otherway around. Once again Seel was considering force as an option but the Federation could have just maintained a blockade and forced them into submission, however how unfun and unevil that would be to watch. Also Seel was going to use Kataron as a way of spreading INFORMATION about what the Federation was doing since the regular citizen did not have a clue. Not to mention Seel was protesting the Federation’s unjust takeover of the Middle East just because the Middle East did not want to go along with the Federation’s energy plan which benefited the Federation the most. Yes the Middle East did the same thing with oil but an eye for an eye does not make anyone right just two stupid people blind.
… Ok Bring is a good pilot in a good suit, by why not finish them? I can only think that using the booster legs was draining his suit’s GN reserves to the point where he wouldn’t have enough to finish the job.
Ali, as usual, can be one cool customer and has a unique suave manner when dealing with the opposite sex :3
So the O Riser powers up the twin drive of Gundam OO, so that make it the Gundam OOO now? Looks like it also awakens quantum brain waves, possibly giving Titera hax piloting skills, waking up mass child murder Hal, and gives Marie pseudo telepathic abilities that reaches for miles… and yet Anew didn’t seem affected at all…
ok several things about the giant cannon.
1)why would the Fed government give an “independent” force a huge weapon of mass destruction, I foresee the writers using this a point to make the average Fed citizen fear A-Laws.
2) Seel and Kataron completely fail in the intelligence department. How could they miss a giant cannon being constructed in space? CB didn’t know cause Wang didn’t tell them, and if she doesn’t tell them they’ll never find out.
3) of course Sergei isn’t dead. A-Laws and the Innovators might be the “villains” of the show, but they gain nothing if they destroy Fed forces even by accident. Also, they would know that the Fed was deployed along the border so there shouldn’t be a case of “oops didn’t know you were there”.
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Oh also you get an AW3SOME!! for using the line Captain Sisko used during the Dominion War in depicting Colonel KFC.
@Square
Official boxart calls the combination 00-Raiser.
1) Why would Federation citizens fear A-LAWS? Thanks to Ribbons’ cooperation, Veda is used to control the flow of information throughout the entire world. They wouldn’t even know what really happened, which leads to…
2) Seel and Katharon are shut out from space because the Federation controls it. For all we know, Memento Mori was constructed deep in Federation space and its true purpose hidden until now (which would make the most sense).
Rejoice has Hallelujah is back! Now he shall teach his gentle counterpart some brutality. Hallelujah is awesome and so is Soma. Somehow HalXSom doesn’t look bad, better than AlXMar…
Boo on Marina, she’s useless, and I hate useless people. She couldn’t use a mobile suit anyway.
YES!!! More Fullmetal Alchemist! There is an anime god.
Damn, Marina sucks so bad. She can’t even babysit by herself? That unnamed lady had to do all the work, while Marina just sat around doing nothing. Marina is even taking advice from kids these days!
Has Ali’s goatee powered up since last season? It seems more powerful somehow. I thought it odd that Nena’s eyes were glowing like the rest of the robos, but maybe I wasn’t watching carefully in previous episodes.
@Zentari
Sadly we have to wait until next week to see what Prince Ali did to Nena…
@skoll
Prince Ali is still the best pilot in the series, and awesome for making CB stuff it from time to time.
@Penguins
Correction Scrin with Rift Generator.
@Soulstrider
The Wild Bear of Russia will not be laid low by a cloud of dirt! XD
@Shin
Patrick’s love for Katie spans space and time, so of course Patricia is in love with Katie.
Let’s hope Anew Returners your affections.
@soso/karin lover
Israel survived and I doubt /k/ommandos really care about pissing people off, they simply shoot them on sight, it is the weapons board after all…
@Jarmel
Seel had already moved into a general mobilization and that move was already the prelude to a war coming about. Coupled with them having Tea with Kataron I wouldn’t say that they were at peace either. As for warning them I am sure threats were made once the slide to war seemed certain, besides even if the Feddies said that they had an orbital weapon that could level cities what’s there to guarantee that Seel would buy it. Everyone would like to believe that there is morality in war, but in practice a country is only as nice as it can afford to be. It’s not like nations do not intimidate each other as much as we prefer them to be saintly entities. Moreover Seel probably wasn’t going to let the blockade go on with out a fight, plus the general populace would have starved long before the Seel leadership would have and it’s not like the poor have Mobile Suits of their own. So again a blockade would have killed just as many if not more with some dad Feddies as well. Thing is once there is war morality goes out the window, far better that it end quickly than drag on for years or eve decades.
I really don’t see why the Federation has to give Seel or the Middle East a hand out from the pockets of the Federation taxpayer, the Middle East no only opposed the construction of the orbital elevators, but pays nothing to keep them running. It’d be hard for 00bama to snub the lower income groups who pay taxes within the Federation in favor of outsiders who do not. I don’t think it’s fair to take from the average Federation citizen to subsidize the poor Azadistani who probably spend that money on guns instead.
Another thing I still don’t quite understand is how Kataron drones on about misrule, but so far as long as the Middle East leaves the Federation alone bad stuff doesn’t happen, hence why Azadistan was left alone to starve. only after the failed state collapsed when Mariana fled from Prince Ali did the Feddies move in. It comes as no surprise that Shirin could not get past the border since the Feddies have been tracking Kataron for 3 years now. The talk of misrule is quite strange we can only take up the anti-Feddie groups on their own word, which given the lack of onscreen evidence seems a bit far fetched. How can the Feddies misrule the Middle East when places like Azadistan and Seel were able to do as they wished since the Federation was founded. The only certain thing about the Kataron rhetoric is that they want to benefit from the Solar System without being part of the Federation or pay anything for it.
@Square
Bring Stabity is a good pilot and it might have been just to delay Jihad-kun so Anew could set them up the bomb.
I don’t see why the A-Laws would go rogue, even the worst of them think that they are doing whats best for the sake of the Federation, they are not in it for themselves, but for the Federation. So far not even Homer has shown any interest in politics, and Goodman was giddy at the chance to deliver the wrath of heaven upon those who opposed his beloved Federation. It’s more like they are Section 31 if you catch my meaning.
Seel’s skills have slipped an Kataron is relying on Wang too it seems. Tieria is a defective Innovator and hence was affected while Anew was not.
DS9 was awesome, it would have been better had Sunrise taken lessons from Garak rather than /k/ill em all /k/ommandos.
@Eej
Yeah there is no indication that the A-Laws are doing things for themselves, so far it’s them doing what’s best for the Federation, even if they are amoral about it.
@icelogue
I am sure if Soma comes back Hal and Al will get torn to pieces. Princess Poverty will never be useful, ever.
@Kabitzin
Princess Poverty can barely take care of herself, she may as well be a child taking pointers from the fat kid who has been stealing rations. Funny how there is only one fat kid while the rest seem to be skin and bones…
Ali’s goatee has come back with a vengeance and I am sure Nena quaked in fear as it ran across her face. Nena seems to have some innovator powers though she might have been created after the Innovators and is an inferior copy. Still I look forward to watching Nena suffer.
Now, That Marina Always Put everything with her meaningless ideals, it seems she dont know how the world works and as a princess/the main heroine she is very useless.
Too bad if nena died in prince ali hands, well the most suited person for kill nena is a louise oneechan.
Actually, I dont like Prince Ali psychotic personality but with the absence of prince ali this show will never be fun. is good if sunrise always put some crazy character just for slash and kill than put some emos who dont do anything (Marina, Saji, Marie, allelujah)
Just My side note- Whoa…. Patrick really deserves the best comic relief character for this year.
@Crusader
You honestly think a blockade is going to kill the same number of people as an orbital death ray? All you have to do to prove the existence of that thing is hand the rulers a telescope. We’re not talking about a bomb that’s small. We’re talking about a giant weapon in space that you should be able to spot with minor equipment long as you know where to look. If the population starts starving from a blockade they are going to get upset about it. They aren’t going to sit around starving. The rulers can’t deal with uprisings from the population and an enemy that has them outclassed in firepower. The poor don’t need mobile suits the minute soldiers decide they don’t feel like firing on their friends and family. They will have to give in long before casualties come anywhere near the level that the cannon caused. With the firepower and a blockade in place a dispute is hardly going to drag on for years and certainly not decades.
What’s with the Federation only moved in when Marina fled from Ali joke? They had no idea where Marina was. The Federation moved in after they destroyed a city. Considering the Innovators are pulling the strings behind the scenes I’d hardly call it leaving Azadistan alone.
@Dark messiah
I am sure if Ali wishes to that he will leave enough of Nena alive for Louise to destroy. Princess Poverty is more than useless and at least we have a guy like Ali to keep things interesting. Patrick is working extra hard this season for his Katie, one cannot help but hope that his affections are returned.
@Flareknight
Even if they saw it there’s no guarantee that they will believe that it works, it’s not like any one has ever seen a death ray. I think that a blockade can kill more people just because people are starving does not mean that there will be revolution, North Korea is a prime example of having a mass of starving people and yet the DPRK still endures. Even in Azadistan starvation did not lead to Mariana being deposed. Don’t be so quick to think that WMD use is more destructive per se, the firebombings of Japan resulted in more dead Japanese that both atomic bombs. Cuba has been embargoed since the 1960s and the DPRK had been isolated for decades as well, Libya was once also isolated from the rest of the world, so I do think that a blockade can drag on for years and possibly decades. Hell the South was blockaded in the US during the Civil war and they persisted for some time while waging a war, it was after all not an uprising of poor starving whites that led to the surrender of Jefferson Davis.
In short yes a blockade can be more devastating than a WMD, afterall the regime only has to feed its troops to maintain it self, as it is in the case of Burma or what ever they call it now. One would like to believe that starving peasants alone can effect some sort of change, but fact remains political power comes out of a barrel of a gun. If people had reservations about killing their own countrymen we would never hear of civil wars yet there have been plenty through out history.
The Federation had nothing to do with the burning of Azadid, Ribbons is using them as puppets who see only as much as he lets them see. Homer was not jumping at the chance to get Innovator help, nor does Sergei even realize they exist. I like to see how Feddie troops had a helping hand in burning the Azadistani capital to the ground, Prince Ali is not on Feddie or even A-Laws payroll so I don’t think that we can directly associate the Federation to those of Ali. We have to go through Ribbons who is playing the Feddies and A-Laws like pawns. 00bama had nothing to do with it, unless you point me to a clip where 00bama contracted Ali to burn the Azadistani infidels out of their rat holes. Ribbons is no Feddie and for now it seems Ali is on the Innovators payroll. Innovators =/= Federation they are working hand in hand for now, but I doubt Ribbons has the best interests of the Federation in mind, nor do I think the Feddies are aware of what the Innovators really are.
As for the Feddies not knowing where Mariana was, it wasn’t too hard to do a prisoner count, find that she was missing and surmise that either Kataron or CB had taken her in. It was a Feddie prison after all and it seems that they know how to keep records, given how CB did not know until they hacked into the Feddie prison network.
[...] Crusader: Aeolia wasn’t a saint, creating a band of self righteous terrorists to impose his will [on] every one. [...]
Crusader, is the title of this entry a refrence to WWII?
Seriously, Shirin is starting to annoy me. She may be hot and all, but wtf has she done until now?? Apart from feeding the pseudo-yuri needs of some people, she is plain useless.
I never cheered as much for Ali as I did in this episode. I’ll start calling him Prince as you do from now on. PLZ KILL NENA PRINCE ALI 8D Crusader you have always been so right…
and yeah! I thought I was the only one with a WWII-deja vu… the Sunrise folks aren’t really original with their plots – first the USA-Middle East reference, then 00bama (I’m still wondering if it is just a coincidence)… and now this? What’s next I’d like to know… (I’d insert some important event here, but my head totally fails atm, so plz someone else do it for me)
And wow, Bring is my fave Innovator. 8D
… crap, I stayed up to 6 am to watch it for the first time, only to fall asleep half-way and wake up with the kaboom XD
HERESY! Aeolia’s nowhere near being good enough to be compared to the Messiah!!! He’s no Kane – Aeolia’s an incompetent moron with delusions of grandeur whose only accomplishment was to get shot in the head while he was sleeping in cryo.
He was certainly nowhere near Kane’s level as far as being a strategist (look at how well his plan’s ‘working’ right now, and the sorts of deus ex machina required to keep it on life support)… and the Innovators are certainly no cyborg legion, nor are they even as useful as the Black Hand. They (the Innovators, Celestial Being) certainly aren’t strong enough to deserve the comparison to the Brotherhood of Nod. They’re better compared to the washed-up collection of fuckups that GDI was portrayed as during the First Tiberium War when they were framed for mass civilian slaughters… except that, unlike GDI, Celestial Being and the Innovators have actually contributed to (or directly participated in) the deaths of innocents.
@icelogue
Yeah, final solution is final!
@Yamila
If only Sunrise had the moral courage to call Seel Saudi Arabia and Azadistan Iran… but alas as much as they sympathize with terrorists they fear being blown up by them nonetheless…
Bring is alright, buy, Anew is just something else.
@Haesslich
I never figured you for one of the Noddies but okay, we’ll just change Aeolia to Hassan, but we can’t have the A-Laws as GDI as well…
Though I have to say at least GDI got shit done, CB on the other had well…
“It’s time you saw the future… while you still have human eyes.”
- Kane, the Messiah
Nena will soon become the vessel for Ali Jr. She should be honored.
Crusader: Let’s just say that I’m able to properly appreciate Kane’s talents in demagogery. And seriously – NOD at least accomplished a whole shitload of a lot of things, whereas CB hasn’t really done all that much. They’re like the Director Boyle of political groups… except that they don’t have direct access to a world-ending weapon like the liquid Tiberium bomb, although they may use one if they thought it’d further their goals.
Hell, they make that druggie Vega look competent; at least he didn’t go to work stoned…
Robert Kaplan would be ashamed at all of you.
@lubczyk
Nena will be the first of many I suppose…
@Haesslich
Come now CB actually contemplating the use of a WMD? They’d toss it in the trash, then Ali would steal it and blow it up in their faces. We all know the Jihad-kun way of problems solving, Trans-Am! They lack the capacity to do much else…
@Eirias
Indeed that sissy Kaplan could never bring himself to do the /k/ommando thing the lousy moralist wants a measure of decency or some common humanity bullshit. Besides Kaplan is a reporter and /k/ommandos hate reporters for being the useless paid spies that they are. In short /k/ommandos don’t care what Kaplan thinks, hell /k/ommandos not only don’t care if he gets blown up they might even lend a helping hand…
I can’t wait for Jihad-kun to Trans-Am a country into death via GN particle pollution… or for this whole GN particle thing to come to a head with everyone and their grandmother using GN-powered units.
Ahem, sorry I’ve got to be the video game snob yet again here, but Starcraft/Warcraft>Command & Conquer. The later I’ve always found far too simplistic with too much emphasis put on super units and weapons, and not to mention that the hammy live action video style of storytelling should have died along with the 90’s. Still playable, but I’ll be playing my first game of Starcraft II long before I ever play another C&C game.
Seeing as how the Feddie Regulars are still using Tieriens and no Aheads, it’s a bit ways away for now…though I am sure the number of Feddie GN-XIIIs should be increasing for the poor Feddie grunts, though you have to wonder what happened to those GN-X models that led to GN-XIII… Still since it seems the Feddie Regulars won’t get much screen time I guess the A-Laws are fortunate in that like a real Spec Ops outfit they get all the new stuff first.
I bet Jihad-kun will find some way to pawn off the blame for GN Pixie dust contamination from multiple Trans-Am uses on his foes…after all if they weren’t kicking his ass so bad he’d never need to use it. Perish the thought that Jihad-kun should have been training to be a better pilot, that “fuck you” button (Trans-Am) he had on Exia basically gave him a crutch which he never could do without. You can’t help but laugh at how Jihad-kun needs Trans-Am to beat off the cosplaying Japanophile Bushido Bob…
Still if it were to happen I hope that Princess Poverty will be the first to get it. Hehe.
@Kaioshin
Oh lighten up everyone knows that, C&C hasn’t changed much, then again when has an EA game gone through a fundamental shift? Starcraft II will be done when it’s done, which will be some blue moons away. Also failure to mention Company of Heroes means your love of the genre is suspect anyways.
A Starcraft comparison would not have worked nearly as well, no Ion Cannon. Besides the best part of C&C is the stuff that passes for cut scenes, it’s so campy its fun.
[...] That Anime Blog [...]
@ Crusader
You pretty much are justifying someone(Federation) breaking into a guy’s house(Middle East). Tying the guy(Seel through the blockade) up and when the guy goes for the phone, you shoot him in the face. Seel was doing general maneuvers in RESPONSE to the Federation just taking control of the Middle East. You said “Don’t be so quick to think that WMD use is more destructive per se, the firebombings of Japan resulted in more dead Japanese that both atomic bombs.” Correct but misleading. The atomic bombs did much more complete damage to the surrounding area and death in a shorter time period than the firebombings did. Don’t forget the long term effects. Not to mention new hydrogen based nukes would flatten any city. WMD’s nowadays are much more effective and deadly then the original nukes. As Flareknight said, it would be very easy to prove that you had a global death ray. The Federation did not even mention it to Seel, which the US atleast had the morals to do. Also LOL at the fact that they warned Seel that they had a global satellite, hell even their own troops did not know this as evidence by Pedo-bear. Yes a blockade can be more damaging in the long term but it always gives people the option to change instead of killing them which is more final.
However you look at it, it is similar to Alexander burning down Thebes when they rebelled against his plan of total takeover of Greece. It was done as a strategic move but completely heartless.
@Crusader: What, you mean the one that’s like the first good game published by THQ in like……well since I can remember? Sorry, I’ve stormed the beaches at Normandy so many times and kicked the Nazi’s out of France that I never felt like doing it again, even if CoH does look really good. I’m with Adam Sessler of X-Play, enough WWII games already. Give me a Civil or Revolutionary War RTS and then we’ll see.
And pretty much all of the GN-X’s were destroyed or incapacitated at the end of the first season. Then they built the GN-XII which was basically just the GN-X, which got used during the 4 year gap and in Gundam 00F and now they’ve given way to the GN-XIII.
And the way I see it Setsuna’s use of Trans-Am against the Innovators is like a reversal on traditional late series Gundam battles. Usually it’s the main character using his Newtype powers to overcome strong mobile suits with his outdated one (except in Gundam Seed where they just handed Kira everything under the sun be it Seed Mode, Newtype abilities and a Mobile Suit with more power then the entire Zaft army combined), but here it’s the bad guys with strong mobile suits and superior piloting capabilities that Setsuna as a human is just plain not capable of matching, through no fault of his own. What else can you do to even the gap besides use the technology you have at your disposal? Better that than Setsuna developing Quantum Brainwaves from out of his ass when we know damn well he’s not a candidate for using them.
@Jarmel
Kataron hinted that Seel and the Feddies have been at this for some time since the reigning King came to power. Mobilizing and heating up the rhetoric while taking in some Terrorists for Tea is pretty provocative especially the last part as it signals that this is not business as usual. Rattle the saber enough times and one day some one will take you up on it. Besides it’s not like the Feddies can allow Kataron to get state sponsors. I don’t see how haggling over the time it took to kill a lesser number of people was somehow less moral than killing a same number of people in a greater amount of time. By my reckoning either way won’t make much of a difference to the number of dead. I am not sure if there is any merit over haggling over which way you kill a man is more moral if you ask me, given how the end result is the same.
I never said they warned Seel, quite the contrary it wasn’t in their interest to do so. You can show Seel that you have and orbital laser, but what’s their frame of reference? I doubt any one has ever seen an orbital death ray. More over how do they even know if it’s going to work? You could announce a test, but if that fails or you show your hand and it gets sabotaged the Feddies would look rather stupid and would result in a national embarrassment. The US had the luxury of knowing that such a device could work, but even the Potsdam boast was not taken seriously as the Japanese had no idea what an atomic bomb could do. They knew it was theoretically possible, but since Japanese fancied themselves superior to those filthy Americans who could not have beaten them to it. They had a small atomic program of their own, but nothing came of it because the leadership never took it seriously. There in lies the problems with using new weapons in war there is no way for the enemy to know if you are bluffing or telling the truth.
Sure a blockade might give the opposing side the chance to give up, but that is rarely the case, more often or not it has to be backed up by more than that. Japan was a classic case they were cut off and LeMay along with the US Navy wrought havoc on their shipping lanes but still the idea of surrender barely registered as their forces in China were still significant on paper. It’d be nice if we can count on the blockaded to act sensibly, but national feeling is a funny thing starvation might actually seem preferable to surrender, it was the same with the Russians and British. Not all people are sensible, the option is there but rarely taken.
All war is brutality after all, hence why war is dirty business and once declared it’s never going to be pretty. War is an act of violence to compel your enemy to fulfill your will, of course you have to be heartless, because ideally the chance to play nice through diplomacy had passed.
@Kaioshin
Good lord you forgot about Homeworld?! Even in CoH it’s the multi-player that gets interesting, game play wise there isn’t much else out there like it and it has one of the more unique in game economies in any RTS where you can actually sever supply lines. Who cares if you have invaded Normandy for the nth time it’s not like there are many games where you take the German side of things for one of the greatest Allied blunders of WWII. Don’t be so narrow minded as to dismiss it just because its base on WWII,
So far I wonder where all those GN-XIIs are from the last iteration unless they were skipping numbers…There was an interim solution shown at the end of the last season, so I wonder where they all went.
As for Jihad-kun and his Trans-Am crutch, he could try and you know fight his own comrades in aggressor training? You know like Top Gun? It’s almost like newtype powers that have been hard wired. At this rate it seems Jihad-kun has no intention of improving his skills, but relying on yet another way to up his combat power through his hardware. It just seems that Jihad-kun will never develop as a pilot since the only reason why he has lasted this long was because of his overwhelming technological superiority. Even now Jihad-kun isn’t training but waiting for the O-Raiser to bump up his power.
I can’t say I think Jihad-kun is even showing much effort as a pilot, at least Patrick has been hitting simulators like crazy and actively trying to do better, though he won’t get a new suit.
@Crusader: Hey, whoa there, you never brought up Homeworld before. Played and beat it back in the 90’s. Never would have thought adding an extra dimension could make such a huge difference in the way RTS could be played, but there it was along with the truly epic storyline.
And the Meister’s used to train using Veda as a simulator machine (the Gundam 00 game crappy as it is reveals that that big red sphere area actually serves as a holodeck via the magic of GN Particles), but they don’t have VEDA anymore so no simulator unfortunately. And they sure as hell aren’t going to find any safe zones in which to deploy and practice without their GN particle trail getting spotted by the enemy far away.
Face it, they are hopelessly outnumbered, constantly getting ambushed by Innovators, haven’t got a friend in the world now that Wang has betrayed them and can’t rely on much of anything to survive for the time being but themselves and the few technological advantages they have left courtesy of Schenberg. On top of that any second spent training means Ribbons gets all the more closer to succeeding in all of his schemes. Whatever improvement he’s going to go through as a pilot, it looks like it’s going to have to come through more active combat. And you have to give him a little credit for learning instead of inheriting what he knows like the Innovators, even if he’s a long way from ever besting his teacher.
GN-XII:
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/00f/gnx-607t.htm
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/00f/gnx-607tac.htm
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/00f/gnx-607tbw.htm
@Kaioshin
Dude Relic made Homeworld and THQ bought the rights back from Sierra. I can’t believe you forgot about that one…
Sure Veda is gone, but judging by how much free time they have to lay about and talk to losers like Saji you think they put more emphasis on training than they have. They don’t all need to be there when O-Raiser undergoes testing, and Lyle and Tieria sure could use the practice in the asteroid field, given how one has a poor hit ratio and the latter has been bested by pilots in GN-XIIIs without much trouble. Now that they know Prince Ali is out there its high time they stepped up their training now that the most dangerous man in the world is kicking their asses two at a time.
I’d give him credit, but getting his ass handed to him by a cosplaying Bushido Bob in an inferior Ahead, and getting beaten down in a 2 on 1 against Prince Ali doesn’t make me think he has gotten better in the slightest. Last season he fought Prince Ali one on one with Trans-Am, last time they fought he had a superior machine and a wingman, yet Prince Ali was clearly the winner in round 2. If Prince Ali was his teacher, Jihad-kun has only proved himself to be a poor student.
I doubt they will even know that Wang was playing them for chumps, given how they didn’t bother asking questions then I doubt they’ll start asking questions now.
You can’t really call yourself an RTS fan and simultaneously blow off Company of Heroes (especially if you’ve NEVER PLAYED IT). That’s just ignorant. It’s probably the best RTS in recent memory, despite Relic’s reluctance to fully balance the game in a timely fashion.
In any case, Setsuna has never been that good of a pilot. At least in Season 2, Mr. Bushido comments that his marksmanship has improved (from piss poor to just poor, I’m guessing). While it’s fairly easy to malign Setsuna’s awful piloting ability, you also have to take into consideration that he’s fighting professional soldiers who are armed with mobile suits that are roughly equal to their new suits, aside from 00 in strength (Source: Ahead 1/144 HG kit states that they are an improved version of the Season 1 Gundam’s basic design, most likely using Kyrios as a basis). In fact, you should be impressed that none of the Meisters in S2 have died yet considering the fairly equal mechanical matchup.
Speaking of which, I’m sad there was no Mr. Bushido this episode. Editing his lines to sound slightly off and archaic is probably the most fun I have working on this show.
@Crusader
I am not campaigning against the use of such a weapon. However the orbital death ray was not needed to wipe the capital, which had civilians btw, off the map. This could have been done through bombing or some other traditional means since they established that the Federation was way ahead of Seel in regards to technology. I am just stating that the Federation’s actions in the Middle East has both brutish and unnecessary. It did not benefit the Federation to take over the Middle East, they are just doing it because the Middle East did not go along with the ‘plan’. There are moral wars such as World War 2 and possibly the American Revolution. This is a war for domination as stated by A-Laws and the Innovators. There is no place for dissenters, as we have yet to see the Federation even negotiate with any group resisting with them.
It’s all part of Aeolia’s plan… He couldn’t find a large enough detonator to detonate liquid Tiberium… so he made alols do it! Mwhjahaahaha!
@Eej
So far the Ahead has done well, but the majority remain GN-XIII pilots. Fortunately Aheads seem to enjoy a better attrition rate, but alas for the GN-XIII.
Right now it seems Bob is going to be late again…the man needs to report to work on time let’s hope he doesn’t go AWOL until the last arc.
@Jarmel
A conventional bombing would not have guaranteed that the Feddies would have nailed the Seel leadership where they were most vulnerable, moreover if word got out that it could have been done another way without risking your own troops then you might get morale problems. The flip side of using the death ray and the atomic bomb was that their own troops were not being risked.
It seems that the Middle East has always opposed the Solar System and given how the Federation is 4 years old and Kataron is 3 it seems negotiations were not taken seriously and Kataron was so displeased that they chose to make war on the Federation. Given how this has dragged on for 3 years with no end in sight, letting Seel harbor Kataron is no longer desired. So far Kataron has been expelled from the Federation, and their only redoubts are in the Middle East. The Feddies can either let Kataron gather strength and let countries like Seel give them shelter and training camps, or they could take/integrate the Middle East and end Kataron for good. As long as the Middle East remains outside the Federation Kataron has a place to hide, and given how Azadistan was a failed state given the Somalia example leaving Azadistan to slide deeper into a shit hole isn’t without risk. Also in the case of Seel they had been buying armaments for war for some time given the Enacts and the King wasn’t just recently crowned so if there had been negotiations it seems they have continually failed, and Seel had been arming ever since the Enact was up for sale, probably after the Federation was formed. Thus at least going on what we know Seel has been arming in the last 4 years and in that time it seems that they have opposed the Federation almost since it’s inception.
Negotiations seem to have failed some time before Kataron was formed and their unwillingness to negotiate says much about the state of affairs. Neither side wants negotiate, the Feddies have Kataron on the ropes and they can smell it. Kataron seems intent on fighting to the last with surrender being unthinkable. The Federation isn’t exactly totalitarian, and given how no one seems to mind much on Sergei and Katie’s part there is probably enough room for dissent that most people are fine with it. Since Kataron seems to be drawing almost all their power from the Middle East it wasn’t just a lack of freedoms. Shirin never gave it a chance stating quite clearly that there was no point in Azadistan joining, now that she’s shut out she wants access to the Solar System, but wishes to get it through violence after rejecting the chance years ago to join and get a share.
Kataron’s been at war with the Federation for 3 years the time for negotiation has long since past given how neither side will accept anything less than the destruction of the other. There is no real benefit to the Federation other than to secure their Middle Eastern front and prevent Kataron from re-establishing it self or ever gain enough power to be a threat again. Not only was Seel not going along with the Plan they were obstructing it by rattling their sabers and having Kataron over for tea.
In order to negotiate both sides have to be willing to make concessions. Seel seems to be with Kataron on wanting nothing less than to see the Federation destroyed and free access to the Solar System without paying for it or providing for its maintenance. The Federation has spent 3 years fighting Kataron and was winning, and there is no point in negotiating when getting Kataron’s unconditional surrender is preferable.
It’s not right but strategically it made sense to eliminate the threat and to intimidate the rest of the Middle East. It wasn’t necessarily a demand that they join now, but it was a clear warning that the Federation is serious and will crush any who interfere with its operations. It’s not morally right, but this is war and politics and even politics is not pretty. Honestly there was a military reason to go in there since it was the last place Kataron could hide, lord knows even in our world nations will go to great lengths to burn terrorists out of their rat holes.
It’s not right, but in war it rarely ever is. Think of all the wars through out history and you will be hard pressed to find many if any truly “just” wars. IMHO even WWII was not without its controversies and negative effects. You can talk about morality in war, but at the end of the day only victory really matters in the end.
@Di Gi Kazune
Let’s hope 00bama isn’t a dumbass like Boyle.
@ crusader
i’m not so sure about GN aids not affecting them much, after each a-laws administered enema kataron seems to get progressively more stupid, ditto for CB as demonstrated by the meisters slow lapse into retardation by constant exposure to GN particles
indeed, the orbital cannon strike while excessive did get the point across, whether it will have the desired affect on the federations enemies remains to be seen, as sometimes such shows of force can have the opposite effect and make their enemies redouble their efforts, like how the word ‘gun’ can do many strange things when yelled out during a fist fight (or anywhere in public where lots of peope are gathered really)
fair enough regarding Prince ali,
despite the continuance of the sunrise revolving door of death, i’m genuinely pleased that hallelujah is back, due to his similar no bullshit view on things
and seeing as i have some surplus bile here, let me say that CB would probably fare alot better if they put fon spaak to work inside the cherudim, as opposed to recruiting lercharous lyle, but there i go again on one of my little tangents
@blind_dead_mcjones
True, something must be giving CB and Kataron a severe case of the stupid, let’s hope the Feddies are following proper PPE and HAZMAT procedures.
Well the threat of annihilation of a weapon of unimaginable power has worked before, and it did lead to a peace of sorts under MAD. It’s not that hard for the Feddies to simply push a button and do it, besides it forced the enemy population into permanent refugee status which isn’t all that workable. Then again there will be die-hards, on the plus sides if they congregate you can kill them en masse if they de-centralize you can take them out piece meal. Even if Seel wants to continue on it neighbors might want to make peace while they can on more generous terms.
I am wary of having Hal come back, but at least it prevents Al and Marie so that’s good. Maybe it will take Louise to kill Haptism off for good to avenge Soma.
I take so long to read and comment on your posts of win because I only got to watch the ep last night.
Patrick is my new hero. Thanks for pimping Katie x Patrick all this time.
@blind_dead_mcjones: How can you even suggest Fon Spark? That’s like pretty much upstaging Setsuna to the point where even the 5 year olds can figure it out. At the moment, you still got people in forums all over the net praising Setsuna and accepting him as a main character lead. The moment Fon Spark comes out, it’s like, oh hey, Ali’s honor’s student came in, get out Kurdish dropout.
@ lawl
thats precisely WHY i suggested fon spaak, cos he’s a success story from the Prince ali 3-step program to manliness, he doesn’t even try shovelling (or believeing in) the pretentious self righteous idealist bullshit CB feeds everyone cos he was press ganged into the group, and when he isn’t piloting he is kept in handcuffs and kept in line via a friendship band of explodium wrapped around his neck.
not to mention he’s a damn sight more intelligent and competent than the current crop of meisters, even if he might be violent and possibly batshit insane.
not to mention if it weren’t for him CB wouldn’t even HAVE their GN drives anymore, and patrick would’ve possibly died of suffocation/starvation if he didn’t kick him down from orbit (though i doubt that was the intention on fons part but still)
I think Crusader is hot. *blush*
and I thought I was the only one XD \o/
argh I posted whatever thing.
I think Crusader is hot. *blush*
and I thought I was the only one XD \o/
Oh man, I hate to be the one to break it to you guys but based on last season’s finale it’s highly likely that Anew is just another guy wearing the same kind of ladysuit Tieria recently wore.
Also, I love that .gif of Patrick. How did he get right behind Kati so quickly? Power of love, maybe? I really hope those two make it out alive.
and I thought I was the only one XD \o/
OMG. I thought I was the only one too. XD Let’s KYA! over him together. I wonder if he’ll spit out whatever he’s drinking when he reads our post =D
What a farce. By your logic, the war on Iraq should not have started with troops but with a nuke. It would have saved American lives, wouldn’t it? Doesn’t matter if a bunch of Iraqis are flattened.
And don’t wield Clausewitz into a discussion of modern-day war. The man’s intent in his philosophy was to outline the state of war after Napoleon, but the world wars changed the political and military landscape, and Clausewitz, while realistic, is largely no longer applicable to present situations.
Not to mention, the Federation is NOT in a state of war. The firing of Memento Mori is an act of war, not so much a preventative measure you fervently insist it is. Or, it can be classified as righteous–under the Bush Doctrine.
The most hilarious aspect of your opinion is how the A-LAWS are effectively the Celestial Being of season one here, and you adamantly bashed CB last season. Is it because the A-LAWS have the sanction of government, and that automatically makes them good men and good soldiers? The oppression of the minority for the sake of the majority is not evil and not hypocritical at all. The leaders of the A-LAWS are clearly noble men for making the decision to fire without negotiation first. They want to end conflict swiftly, and therefore take it upon their own consciences to shoulder the burdens of the deaths.
Huh. Sure sounds like Celestial Being from the first season.
LOL! Kati seems to wish that she knocked Patrick to next week with her fists. XP
@Solunar adn Ramila
Okay kids you’ve had you fun, cut it out.
@escaru
Then let’s hope Anew stays in her present state.
Enjoy the gif.
Patrick is Immortal and so is Katie trhough diffusion.
@Flairgin
Look I don’t believe that war is any better than barbarism and once the option is taken the only thing nations really look for is victory. You can trot out your Iraq example all you like, but even when the US went in conventionally was the outcome any more rosier? War has always been nasty business and I don’t think there is much merit in trying to make believe that you can have a nice clean war. I think it hardly makes a difference to the dead whether they were incinerated or lined up and shot.
I think Clausewitz still applies and is not outmoded by modern advances because at the end of the day war is still about destroying the other side. Is not war still an act of violence to compel your enemy to conform to your will? Just because the Vietnam War was a limited one for the US doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a Total War for the North Vietnamese. War is about winning is it not? Otherwise why even go to war if you intend to lose? Even in the nether regions of the world there are still total wars fought with little mercy, it is only in the West is there any serious notion that war can be fought in a clean manner. More over neo-cons are more like you in that you can imagine that war might some how be anything less than barbarity. Not even neo-cons have the will to unleash a WMD in an opening strike, no this was something not hindered by anything less than pure unadulterated practicality.
I am not saying whether it’s right or not, but frankly it was the smart strategic move to make. Oh sure it may be deplorable, but who now says much of anything about the destruction of Thebes or the destruction of the Khwarezmian Empire with tears in their eyes?
The Federation has been at war with Kataron for 3 years, it’s a shooting war with people dying and in my book that’s pretty much war. Kataron’s stated goal is the destruction of the Federation. Thus I think the Federation has been in a state of war as Kataron has not surrendered nor have they stopped agitating for the destruction of the Federation. From a strategic point of view the Federation is at war on two fronts, against Kataron, and against Celestial Being, the last thing they need is an other war with an entire region. I did not hear anything about justice from Goodman when he commenced primary ignition, with the A-Laws there is no pretension that they are fighting for anything but their stated national goals, its not right, but it is honest.
As I have said before, the implication is that this was the latest in a series of Seel and the Feddies rattling their sabers, even Sergei felt that war was imminent. Kataron was in the minority when they were in the Federation, they opted for war and were kicked out now that they are out they draw support from outsiders to continue their goal of destroying the Federation, how right is it of the minority to try an force the majority to accept their will? They were already on the outside and yet from the outside they make assaults on the Federation and plant sleeper cells in Feddie territory, you think the US is the only place that would take steps to defeat terrorists from abroad, we have only recently actually been doing it directly, in the past it would have been a CIA operation and we’d be like the rest of the world and pay someone else to fight a small little war for our interests. Heck in Africa they do it all the time in supporting rebels in neighboring countries…
Do Lindt or Goodman pretend that they actually care about a guilty conscience? I don’t think they do and that is the difference. Seel is not a friend and in war they treated them like enemies and did not pretend to be going into Seel in a war of liberation. Seel had Kataron over for tea, negotiations between the Feddies and Seel had already failed, war seemed inevitable from even Kataron’s point of view, so would it have been more moral for the Feddies to let Seel strike first?
It isn’t right of course, war is never about who’s right. Still this being a work of fiction I can at least appreciate the cold-hearted decision to make the first strike. Again that is very different from CB who couldn’t get anything done at all. Lindt is nothing like Sumeragi, Bob is nothing like Jihad-kun, and the A-Laws are not moralizing their position or what they do. They just do what they do best kill Kataron and all who help them. As hilarious as you find my opinion, I find it doubly hilarious that you even think Lindt has a conscience.
So instead of moaning about a doctrine that will soon the throttled and dead by January of next year, perhaps you can sit back and enjoy the fact that the Feddies and A-Laws are not feeding you some sort of BS about ending war or shouldering guilt, because they aren’t.
@Ominae
I am sure they will make up some how…
We are not kids! I’m 20, I’ll have you know!
Yamila > I bet he’s just shy and he doesn’t know how to handle fangirls. Awww… so adorable. I wish there was a Crusader plushie! He would have a helmet on and a little gun at the side. And he would be soft and squishy with big chibi eyes. Maybe with a small grenade too?
Hmmm…. I think that WMDs must to convey a lot of awe. But I am hardly impresed by the way they showed the action. It looks almost like the A-Laws only killed a terrorist with a bad politician and a bunch of guards. Sunrise focuse all the ”drama” in the secondary characters, is so shy to show dead civilans and kids that I think that the only good thing of these episode is that Hallelujah is back, correction and the new spy. If they want an anime that elementary school kids can see, why they dont make some thing else in place of kill Gundam? First season was average. But second season sucks. In ten episodes the only god thing I can remember is Titeria.
@blind_dead_mcjones: Yeah, but then the spotlight wouldn’t belong to Bob or Prince. And Spark would stand out from the other 3 meisters unlike the terrorist kid. Sure, he’s a cooler character, but this is a Sunrise show. A main cast that can compete with the antagonists in cool can never happen.
I mean, you are suggesting to fix a crack in a dam with a band-aid. It just doesn’t work. And if you bitch about the show entirely, you get attacked by Animesukies who are always 10 years behind on the bandwagon. Only now have they started bitching about action when it was apparent even in S1.
00 is mediocre =] and doesn’t have the flair like Geass to make up for it. Only way you can feel better watching it is if you put Prince Ali and Bushido Bob as the main protagonists in your own mind, like pretty much what Crusader is doing now. At least those two beat out Geass and other mecha series in any pilot/badass comparison. Well, no Spinzaku is too strong in personal combat.
@ lawl
it has nothing to do with the characters being cool, it’s more to do fixing a plot hole, why go to the effort of recruiting someone into CB on such short notice as well as retrieve a person who has proven themselves to be an inefficient and unsuitable commander, when they could’ve drawn from Fereshte’s resources instead, considering they’d be made reduntant now that they no longer have the 0 gundams GN drive to use, and the increase in manpower would be to their advantage.
thats hardly ‘fixing a crack in a dam with a band-aid’i'm well aware that it won’t fix everything wrong in the show, but it will make things more bearable i wouldn’t go so far as to call 00 mediocre, that i reserve for the 2nd season of geass (and considering how it’s going at the moment linebarrels of iron as well), i’m going to reserve judgemnet till the 00 series is over, if it proves to be as bad as GSD, then sunrise needs to lift their game somewhat.
and if animesukies wanna attack me they can go right ahead, but they’d be wasting their time.
i just noticed something, if you invert the colours on the ‘Feddie Regulars have it hard, so many Tieriens…’ image, you will notice that there is a flag amongst them, which makes me feel good as it means not all of them are being wasted by kataron.
Even your old Gundam00 are full of shit I see Crusader…