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		<title>By: ilifin</title>
		<link>http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/10/11/toradora-episode-2-damn-deliquents-always-kicking-poles/comment-page-1/#comment-277685</link>
		<dc:creator>ilifin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see people linking to the TL notes, since we kinda forgot to add the link to the notes in the episode and just tossed it out on IRC and TT. Probably going to be the same deal with ep3, 4 hours left till it airs now and I&#039;m all excited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see people linking to the TL notes, since we kinda forgot to add the link to the notes in the episode and just tossed it out on IRC and TT. Probably going to be the same deal with ep3, 4 hours left till it airs now and I&#8217;m all excited.</p>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That, and J.C. Staff has a history of hacking apart original source work, the past few years, in order to make it &#039;more marketable&#039;.  Between those, the filler ep that&#039;s showing up so early on, and the way other people I&#039;ve talked to seem to feel this is a normal tsundere show, or are calling Kitamura an insensitive asshole/ignorant/etc.  

The fact that J.C. Staff was producing this worried me.  The fast pace of episodes 1 and 2 was somewhat unnerving, and the way they cut out parts of the scenes which explained why things showed up the way they did (the reasons everyone saw Taiga and Ryuuji as a couple, the confession&#039;s order and a few lines being dropped here and there)... I don&#039;t have much confidence that they won&#039;t suddenly make them a loving couple by the end.  Or just another expy of Louise and her &#039;dog&#039;, in order to pander to Kuguyuu&#039;s fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That, and J.C. Staff has a history of hacking apart original source work, the past few years, in order to make it &#8216;more marketable&#8217;.  Between those, the filler ep that&#8217;s showing up so early on, and the way other people I&#8217;ve talked to seem to feel this is a normal tsundere show, or are calling Kitamura an insensitive asshole/ignorant/etc.  </p>
<p>The fact that J.C. Staff was producing this worried me.  The fast pace of episodes 1 and 2 was somewhat unnerving, and the way they cut out parts of the scenes which explained why things showed up the way they did (the reasons everyone saw Taiga and Ryuuji as a couple, the confession&#8217;s order and a few lines being dropped here and there)&#8230; I don&#8217;t have much confidence that they won&#8217;t suddenly make them a loving couple by the end.  Or just another expy of Louise and her &#8216;dog&#8217;, in order to pander to Kuguyuu&#8217;s fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>houko:  I&#039;m also looking at the light novels.  &#039;Suki&#039; can be like, light love, or very fond love... but the issue I have is that they didn&#039;t explain what the &quot;last year&quot; was, which means that (in the context of the scene there), Kitamura reminiscing about how it reminds him of last year sounds like SHE confessed to him last year, rather than the reverse.  I&#039;ve already seen some bloggers complain that Kitamura&#039;s an asshole for refusing her, especially with the way the confession was ordered - first she says she doesn&#039;t HATE Ryuuji... then she says she likes/loves Kitamura, rather than going with the confession first, and then saying she doesn&#039;t hate Ryuuji.  

I&#039;m not angry that it&#039;s not a one-on-one adaptation, although I prefer those, so much that they appear to be setting it up so that this is a &#039;typical tsundere scenario&#039;.  ToraDora the light novels and the manga aren&#039;t like that, and yet J.C. Staff seems determined to make this square peg fit into the round hole by shaving off the corners which make it different.  I&#039;m repeating what OTHER people have said, people who&#039;ve never read the novels or manga.  This is how it looks to them, and that&#039;s why I&#039;m worried that J.C. Staff will make this like Shana or Zero no Tsukaima.  They&#039;ve added more violence to pander to the Kuguyuu fans who loved her Shana or Louise roles, and they&#039;ve made episode 3 a filler already.  

If you want to see what I mean, I suggest reading other blogs talking about the series so far... and you&#039;ll notice ALL of them have the view that this is a typical tsundere show, albeit one where Kugimiya Rie is using a lower voice than her usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>houko:  I&#8217;m also looking at the light novels.  &#8216;Suki&#8217; can be like, light love, or very fond love&#8230; but the issue I have is that they didn&#8217;t explain what the &#8220;last year&#8221; was, which means that (in the context of the scene there), Kitamura reminiscing about how it reminds him of last year sounds like SHE confessed to him last year, rather than the reverse.  I&#8217;ve already seen some bloggers complain that Kitamura&#8217;s an asshole for refusing her, especially with the way the confession was ordered &#8211; first she says she doesn&#8217;t HATE Ryuuji&#8230; then she says she likes/loves Kitamura, rather than going with the confession first, and then saying she doesn&#8217;t hate Ryuuji.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not angry that it&#8217;s not a one-on-one adaptation, although I prefer those, so much that they appear to be setting it up so that this is a &#8216;typical tsundere scenario&#8217;.  ToraDora the light novels and the manga aren&#8217;t like that, and yet J.C. Staff seems determined to make this square peg fit into the round hole by shaving off the corners which make it different.  I&#8217;m repeating what OTHER people have said, people who&#8217;ve never read the novels or manga.  This is how it looks to them, and that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m worried that J.C. Staff will make this like Shana or Zero no Tsukaima.  They&#8217;ve added more violence to pander to the Kuguyuu fans who loved her Shana or Louise roles, and they&#8217;ve made episode 3 a filler already.  </p>
<p>If you want to see what I mean, I suggest reading other blogs talking about the series so far&#8230; and you&#8217;ll notice ALL of them have the view that this is a typical tsundere show, albeit one where Kugimiya Rie is using a lower voice than her usual.</p>
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		<title>By: houkoholic</title>
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		<dc:creator>houkoholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haesslich:
Again, you are comparing stuff you don&#039;t know about with what happened in the manga and not looking at the context of what is presented in the anime.  
The context within the anime is perfectly logical, you picking on the whole use of like/dislike are just semantics which changes nothing in the context.  Since being in Japanese the whole usage of &quot;suki&quot; has lots of meanings - it can be interpretated as both &quot;like&quot; in a romantic way and &quot;like&quot; as in friendship and is often used interchangably.  Taiga made her confession clear to Kitamura that she was indeed &quot;confessing&quot; (kokuhaku) to him and she explains (albit very clumsily) she likes Ryuji as a friend, Kitamura clearly said he understood that but still rejected her eitherway.  The meaning in the words are quite clear in the Japanese cultural context and doesn&#039;t skew anything unless you want it to be skewed (like you are).

As for Kitamura&#039;s crush, obviously if you think I was talking about Kawashima Ami then you know nothing about the later novels and how Kitamura&#039;s crush of someone else makes the current confession scene logical without altering anything later, except that I&#039;m now almost certain that my interpretaction of  what you are thinking is correct - mainly you&#039;re just angry the anime is not a one-to-one adaptation instead of looking at how the overall plot can/will progress (which you can&#039;t anyway, since you obviously are not clued in enough about the later novels as shown by you raising Ami as Kitamura&#039;s love interest), so I&#039;m not going to talk about that anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haesslich:<br />
Again, you are comparing stuff you don&#8217;t know about with what happened in the manga and not looking at the context of what is presented in the anime.<br />
The context within the anime is perfectly logical, you picking on the whole use of like/dislike are just semantics which changes nothing in the context.  Since being in Japanese the whole usage of &#8220;suki&#8221; has lots of meanings &#8211; it can be interpretated as both &#8220;like&#8221; in a romantic way and &#8220;like&#8221; as in friendship and is often used interchangably.  Taiga made her confession clear to Kitamura that she was indeed &#8220;confessing&#8221; (kokuhaku) to him and she explains (albit very clumsily) she likes Ryuji as a friend, Kitamura clearly said he understood that but still rejected her eitherway.  The meaning in the words are quite clear in the Japanese cultural context and doesn&#8217;t skew anything unless you want it to be skewed (like you are).</p>
<p>As for Kitamura&#8217;s crush, obviously if you think I was talking about Kawashima Ami then you know nothing about the later novels and how Kitamura&#8217;s crush of someone else makes the current confession scene logical without altering anything later, except that I&#8217;m now almost certain that my interpretaction of  what you are thinking is correct &#8211; mainly you&#8217;re just angry the anime is not a one-to-one adaptation instead of looking at how the overall plot can/will progress (which you can&#8217;t anyway, since you obviously are not clued in enough about the later novels as shown by you raising Ami as Kitamura&#8217;s love interest), so I&#8217;m not going to talk about that anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: LDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG at Taiga.</description>
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		<title>By: Halcyon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halcyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They really cut out a lot of the character development and relationship building between Ryuuji and Taiga. They condensed 10 chapters worth of development into 8 minutes.

I raged so hard when I saw this episode and the fact that the next episode is a god damn filler does NOT help. I had high hopes when I heard they were adapting Tora Dora into an anime and this episode has pretty much crushed them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They really cut out a lot of the character development and relationship building between Ryuuji and Taiga. They condensed 10 chapters worth of development into 8 minutes.</p>
<p>I raged so hard when I saw this episode and the fact that the next episode is a god damn filler does NOT help. I had high hopes when I heard they were adapting Tora Dora into an anime and this episode has pretty much crushed them all.</p>
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		<title>By: Vin-nii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vin-nii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say the plot moving along nicely.
My stance remains the same than Nagi has a higher chance of being this seasons best moe than Taiga</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say the plot moving along nicely.<br />
My stance remains the same than Nagi has a higher chance of being this seasons best moe than Taiga</p>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>houkohlic:  I&#039;m not saying Kitamura rejected Taiga because he was rejected - I&#039;m saying that he TRIED for her last year, got rejected, and right now doesn&#039;t see her in that fashion... plus her confession sounds a lot like she&#039;s confessing more to Ryuuji with how she phrased things, especially in the anime where they had Kitamura asking if she liked Ryuuji (rather than &#039;do you dislike him?&#039;) before saying she liked Kitamura, rather than having her say &quot;I love you&quot; and then going on about Ryuuji AFTER that.  It completely skews the scene as far as context goes.  Plus the way the anime presented it suggests she confessed to him last year as well, and he blew her off then rather than it being the reverse.  Without the part about him confessing, it makes Kitamura look worse to some bloggers (as linked) than it really was.  

Like I said in earlier posts, he&#039;s moved on from Taiga - as Volume 5 of the novels suggests more openly.  And if you&#039;re talking about Kawashima, he says he grew up with her and doesn&#039;t see her THAT way either... but hates her hypocrisy, which she engages in around him now as well as around adults and everyone else.  But, the fact remains - a year ago he did ask her, got rejected... and since then he&#039;s moved on from Taiga, which makes her own cause (trying to win him over now that he&#039;s moved on, a year after she blew HIM off) a lost one.  Of course, that doesn&#039;t stop her from trying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>houkohlic:  I&#8217;m not saying Kitamura rejected Taiga because he was rejected &#8211; I&#8217;m saying that he TRIED for her last year, got rejected, and right now doesn&#8217;t see her in that fashion&#8230; plus her confession sounds a lot like she&#8217;s confessing more to Ryuuji with how she phrased things, especially in the anime where they had Kitamura asking if she liked Ryuuji (rather than &#8216;do you dislike him?&#8217;) before saying she liked Kitamura, rather than having her say &#8220;I love you&#8221; and then going on about Ryuuji AFTER that.  It completely skews the scene as far as context goes.  Plus the way the anime presented it suggests she confessed to him last year as well, and he blew her off then rather than it being the reverse.  Without the part about him confessing, it makes Kitamura look worse to some bloggers (as linked) than it really was.  </p>
<p>Like I said in earlier posts, he&#8217;s moved on from Taiga &#8211; as Volume 5 of the novels suggests more openly.  And if you&#8217;re talking about Kawashima, he says he grew up with her and doesn&#8217;t see her THAT way either&#8230; but hates her hypocrisy, which she engages in around him now as well as around adults and everyone else.  But, the fact remains &#8211; a year ago he did ask her, got rejected&#8230; and since then he&#8217;s moved on from Taiga, which makes her own cause (trying to win him over now that he&#8217;s moved on, a year after she blew HIM off) a lost one.  Of course, that doesn&#8217;t stop her from trying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: houkoholic</title>
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		<dc:creator>houkoholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haesslich, may I call you out on something that you don&#039;t actually know but is spreading around like wild fire?

obviously spoiler on the novel.....

The reason that Kitamura reject Taiga is not because Taiga rejected him last year nor was it because he thinks that Taiga and Ryuji is a pair (he made it quite clear that he understood what&#039;s coming from Taiga, and he said he accepted her feelings too!  That is not a misunderstanding), it&#039;s because he actually has a crush on *somebody else* now (which the manga won&#039;t even begin to be able to touch as that is dealt with in volume 5 of the novel which AFAIK is not fan-translated yet, so stop using only the first volume of either the novel or the manga to base your reasoning).  He was going to reject Taiga regardless anyway because he already has eyes on someone else (which is actually hinted in the anime OP if you look really carefully).  If you don&#039;t know this piece of information and only base it on what is out there in English only, yes, you would think dropping out the whole &quot;one year before&quot; information changes the context, but in fact if you know the REAL story, it changes nothing, at all.  Kitamura probably rejected her in the nicest way possible and gently nugged her to someone besides her, that&#039;s real tact instead of being a jerk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haesslich, may I call you out on something that you don&#8217;t actually know but is spreading around like wild fire?</p>
<p>obviously spoiler on the novel&#8230;..</p>
<p>The reason that Kitamura reject Taiga is not because Taiga rejected him last year nor was it because he thinks that Taiga and Ryuji is a pair (he made it quite clear that he understood what&#8217;s coming from Taiga, and he said he accepted her feelings too!  That is not a misunderstanding), it&#8217;s because he actually has a crush on *somebody else* now (which the manga won&#8217;t even begin to be able to touch as that is dealt with in volume 5 of the novel which AFAIK is not fan-translated yet, so stop using only the first volume of either the novel or the manga to base your reasoning).  He was going to reject Taiga regardless anyway because he already has eyes on someone else (which is actually hinted in the anime OP if you look really carefully).  If you don&#8217;t know this piece of information and only base it on what is out there in English only, yes, you would think dropping out the whole &#8220;one year before&#8221; information changes the context, but in fact if you know the REAL story, it changes nothing, at all.  Kitamura probably rejected her in the nicest way possible and gently nugged her to someone besides her, that&#8217;s real tact instead of being a jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how we tend to blame the guys in anime for screwing up more often than not. Guess it comes with the medium, though I still think poor Kitamura had to have had some guts for trying considering how many mangled would be suitors were probably strewn about before he tried. We usually get saddled with loser harem animu leads so it comes as no surprise we treat almost all male leads in shows with a hint of romance as such. Reminds me of why I liked Alto-hime at least he wasn&#039;t being a total jerk off...oh man Macross withdrawl. In any case we rarely blame the moe blob for shit that goes wrong. It doesn&#039;t look as if JC Staff is going to give the truth and pretend that Kitamura is an ass to make Taiga more sympathetic.

Did you catch the Gundam 00 stream by chance, comrade?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how we tend to blame the guys in anime for screwing up more often than not. Guess it comes with the medium, though I still think poor Kitamura had to have had some guts for trying considering how many mangled would be suitors were probably strewn about before he tried. We usually get saddled with loser harem animu leads so it comes as no surprise we treat almost all male leads in shows with a hint of romance as such. Reminds me of why I liked Alto-hime at least he wasn&#8217;t being a total jerk off&#8230;oh man Macross withdrawl. In any case we rarely blame the moe blob for shit that goes wrong. It doesn&#8217;t look as if JC Staff is going to give the truth and pretend that Kitamura is an ass to make Taiga more sympathetic.</p>
<p>Did you catch the Gundam 00 stream by chance, comrade?</p>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know, but without that &#039;last year, when I confessed to you and you turned me down&#039; bit, it looks a bit like he&#039;s acting like an asshole.  At least &lt;a href=&quot;http://yukan.dasaku.net/anime/toradora-02meow/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one blogger&lt;/a&gt; declared it so, based on the incomplete data from the episode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, but without that &#8216;last year, when I confessed to you and you turned me down&#8217; bit, it looks a bit like he&#8217;s acting like an asshole.  At least <a href="http://yukan.dasaku.net/anime/toradora-02meow/" rel="nofollow">one blogger</a> declared it so, based on the incomplete data from the episode.</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fillers are annoying but they aren&#039;t anything new or impossible to pull off well, then again its JC Staff...

Indeed the dere side often doesn&#039;t come out normally enough, but male lead thickheadedness can also be a factor. If a woman is yelling at you and she ain&#039;t an authority figure, chances are she&#039;s an enemy that has declared hostilities, a guy can then ignore it or oblige such hostility with his own. 

I don&#039;t think Kitamura is being an asshole, Taiga made her feelings clear it will take more than the passage of time to heal that one...If he wanted to be an asshole he would not even consent to being a friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fillers are annoying but they aren&#8217;t anything new or impossible to pull off well, then again its JC Staff&#8230;</p>
<p>Indeed the dere side often doesn&#8217;t come out normally enough, but male lead thickheadedness can also be a factor. If a woman is yelling at you and she ain&#8217;t an authority figure, chances are she&#8217;s an enemy that has declared hostilities, a guy can then ignore it or oblige such hostility with his own. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Kitamura is being an asshole, Taiga made her feelings clear it will take more than the passage of time to heal that one&#8230;If he wanted to be an asshole he would not even consent to being a friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Episode 3&#039;s a filler.  That does NOT inspire confidence in me. :P

Besides, if a girl keeps yelling at you and blowing you off... sooner or later, you tend to lose interest in the girl, especially if you never see the &#039;dere&#039; side, which most tsunderes in anime don&#039;t show to the guy they like except in extremely contrived circumstances.

Still, Kitamura lost out last year... which means that his turning her down is either &#039;sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose&#039;, or else just showing he&#039;s an asshole, depending on who you talk to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Episode 3&#8217;s a filler.  That does NOT inspire confidence in me. <img src='http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Besides, if a girl keeps yelling at you and blowing you off&#8230; sooner or later, you tend to lose interest in the girl, especially if you never see the &#8216;dere&#8217; side, which most tsunderes in anime don&#8217;t show to the guy they like except in extremely contrived circumstances.</p>
<p>Still, Kitamura lost out last year&#8230; which means that his turning her down is either &#8217;sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose&#8217;, or else just showing he&#8217;s an asshole, depending on who you talk to.</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader</title>
		<link>http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/10/11/toradora-episode-2-damn-deliquents-always-kicking-poles/comment-page-1/#comment-276706</link>
		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that tsunderes give off hostile vibes that ought to be met with hostility so long as there was a process of shared &quot;trail by fire&quot; (sort of like what Sheryl and Alto-hime went through) is done reasonably well there shouldn&#039;t be too many problems, and hopefully this won&#039;t be Saito and Louise Redux.

Still hoping that Taiga&#039;s antics change otherwise success for her will remain a pipe dream. Perhaps I&#039;ll read the scanlations instead since it seems that JC Staff might end up slaughtering the source material whole sale, rather than limit themselves to mere butchery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that tsunderes give off hostile vibes that ought to be met with hostility so long as there was a process of shared &#8220;trail by fire&#8221; (sort of like what Sheryl and Alto-hime went through) is done reasonably well there shouldn&#8217;t be too many problems, and hopefully this won&#8217;t be Saito and Louise Redux.</p>
<p>Still hoping that Taiga&#8217;s antics change otherwise success for her will remain a pipe dream. Perhaps I&#8217;ll read the scanlations instead since it seems that JC Staff might end up slaughtering the source material whole sale, rather than limit themselves to mere butchery.</p>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crusader:  More like &#039;here&#039;s how J.C. Staff fucked up because they want to make this into the next Zero no Tsukaima, and this is how it was SUPPOSED to go&#039;.

And part of the issue is that Taiga was never loved - not by her folks, not by her friends.  She doesn&#039;t know how to react to it, or to softer feelings.. which is why she goes with her instinctive yelling and shouting and lashing out.  Tsunderes don&#039;t always win... which was part of the original series&#039; point, and which seems to have been lost on J.C. Staff.  As in real life, a lot of the time the guy gets put off by the initial cold reaction unless he&#039;s either a) a stalker, or b) obsessed... with the very rare c) he knows she didn&#039;t mean it, except with case &#039;C&#039;, that&#039;s usually classified as &#039;the guy is a control freak&#039;.  Which, y&#039;know, he usually is.  Or deluded.

So the tsundere response, which wasn&#039;t shown here, blew up in her face a year later.  And of course, leave it to J.C. Staff to forget that important part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crusader:  More like &#8216;here&#8217;s how J.C. Staff fucked up because they want to make this into the next Zero no Tsukaima, and this is how it was SUPPOSED to go&#8217;.</p>
<p>And part of the issue is that Taiga was never loved &#8211; not by her folks, not by her friends.  She doesn&#8217;t know how to react to it, or to softer feelings.. which is why she goes with her instinctive yelling and shouting and lashing out.  Tsunderes don&#8217;t always win&#8230; which was part of the original series&#8217; point, and which seems to have been lost on J.C. Staff.  As in real life, a lot of the time the guy gets put off by the initial cold reaction unless he&#8217;s either a) a stalker, or b) obsessed&#8230; with the very rare c) he knows she didn&#8217;t mean it, except with case &#8216;C&#8217;, that&#8217;s usually classified as &#8216;the guy is a control freak&#8217;.  Which, y&#8217;know, he usually is.  Or deluded.</p>
<p>So the tsundere response, which wasn&#8217;t shown here, blew up in her face a year later.  And of course, leave it to J.C. Staff to forget that important part.</p>
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