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		<title>By: Key Mechanisms? &#171; Calamitous Intent</title>
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		<description>[...] by, as otou-san succinctly put it, &#8220;doing too much, yet not quite doing enough.&#8221; Previously, I had written that (at the time I hadn&#8217;t thought about it like this) this poly-faceted [...]</description>
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		<title>By: lelangiric &#187; Blog Archive &#187; [LWC 64] Native Nippon, Exiled Eleven Revisited: On Nationalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>lelangiric &#187; Blog Archive &#187; [LWC 64] Native Nippon, Exiled Eleven Revisited: On Nationalism</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: [LWC 64] Native Nippon, Exiled Eleven Revisited: On Nationalism &#124; Super Fanicom</title>
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		<dc:creator>[LWC 64] Native Nippon, Exiled Eleven Revisited: On Nationalism &#124; Super Fanicom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lelangir</title>
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		<dc:creator>lelangir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vin-nii: Sorry, I missed you there. Yes, I liked the way they used Nagisa&#039;s story as the mechanism by which all the other girl&#039;s stories were delivered, as opposed to &lt;em&gt;Kanon&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; way of creating relatively autonomous stories relative to each other to articulate the stories.

Twice is a lot, I&#039;d be surprised if I committed a third.

Akira: Thank you - yes, I think I&#039;ve heard that too, and so I&#039;m pretty excited for this sequel. 

BK: Seems like pacing issues are &lt;em&gt;key&lt;/em&gt; staples of &lt;em&gt;Key&lt;/em&gt; adaptations, so maybe I&#039;ve grown accustomed to it? 

Phil: Oh yeah, the crying scene was terribly awkward. For your last question, I meant it as a kind of psychological equilibrium, a state of emotional normalcy, and in this case it is in relation to the father-son relationship, which I&#039;ve a feeling has much to do with Freud, though I&#039;ve never read any Freud, which is why it&#039;s an unmerited reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vin-nii: Sorry, I missed you there. Yes, I liked the way they used Nagisa&#8217;s story as the mechanism by which all the other girl&#8217;s stories were delivered, as opposed to <em>Kanon&#8217;s</em> way of creating relatively autonomous stories relative to each other to articulate the stories.</p>
<p>Twice is a lot, I&#8217;d be surprised if I committed a third.</p>
<p>Akira: Thank you &#8211; yes, I think I&#8217;ve heard that too, and so I&#8217;m pretty excited for this sequel. </p>
<p>BK: Seems like pacing issues are <em>key</em> staples of <em>Key</em> adaptations, so maybe I&#8217;ve grown accustomed to it? </p>
<p>Phil: Oh yeah, the crying scene was terribly awkward. For your last question, I meant it as a kind of psychological equilibrium, a state of emotional normalcy, and in this case it is in relation to the father-son relationship, which I&#8217;ve a feeling has much to do with Freud, though I&#8217;ve never read any Freud, which is why it&#8217;s an unmerited reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I was actually a fan of Kyou because, I liked how she was atheletic, had a killer outside shot, and a savage jump kick.  She also had cool things in her hair.  **Spoiler Kinda?** On the other hand, what was up with their semi awkward crying scene?  I still cringe at seeing them starting to break down.

One more thing, isn&#039;t homeostasis the system that attempts to regulate itself when the body is out of whack?  What does that have to do with Freud?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I was actually a fan of Kyou because, I liked how she was atheletic, had a killer outside shot, and a savage jump kick.  She also had cool things in her hair.  **Spoiler Kinda?** On the other hand, what was up with their semi awkward crying scene?  I still cringe at seeing them starting to break down.</p>
<p>One more thing, isn&#8217;t homeostasis the system that attempts to regulate itself when the body is out of whack?  What does that have to do with Freud?</p>
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		<title>By: Baka-Raptor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baka-Raptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to cite me for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/03/23/the-clannad-quiz/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clannad&#039;s pacing issues&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to cite me for <a href="http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/03/23/the-clannad-quiz/" rel="nofollow">Clannad&#8217;s pacing issues</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Myssa Rei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myssa Rei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tomoya&#039;s dad plays a relatively larger role in After Story, but not in the way you would expect.  Now, does THAT even have spoiler tags?

Edit: Blargh, no Spoiler tag.  Ah well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomoya&#8217;s dad plays a relatively larger role in After Story, but not in the way you would expect.  Now, does THAT even have spoiler tags?</p>
<p>Edit: Blargh, no Spoiler tag.  Ah well.</p>
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		<title>By: Akira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regards to Okazaki’s father, I hear that he has a bigger role in the After Story.  So his presence in the main series was simply to introduce him. Its difficult to analyze Clannad as it&#039;s not really complete yet.

As to your comments about Okazaki’s mother, it reminded me about how in nearly every Disney movie, the main character is either an orphan or an only child.  No mention is made of the parent’s absence (though perhaps because of the 90 min time limit.)  This is a common device used to garner sympathy for the character.  

Great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regards to Okazaki’s father, I hear that he has a bigger role in the After Story.  So his presence in the main series was simply to introduce him. Its difficult to analyze Clannad as it&#8217;s not really complete yet.</p>
<p>As to your comments about Okazaki’s mother, it reminded me about how in nearly every Disney movie, the main character is either an orphan or an only child.  No mention is made of the parent’s absence (though perhaps because of the 90 min time limit.)  This is a common device used to garner sympathy for the character.  </p>
<p>Great article.</p>
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		<title>By: lelangir</title>
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		<dc:creator>lelangir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jiff&lt;/strong&gt;: You know what would have been cool? I would liked to have seen Okazaki&#039;s dad occasionally beat him; that would make for some excellent drama, though I guess their scuffle-as-backdrop-foundation can count as that, sorta. On the other hand, I did like the dad because he had a role I don&#039;t think I see very often, so it did set up some interesting dynamics, putting aside all the clichés.

&lt;strong&gt;Myssa Rei&lt;/strong&gt;: I didn&#039;t think the moe here was tasteful, as you saw Jiff reiterate his hate for Impz&#039;s retarded moe embodied in Fuko. I thought Fuko was ok, I surely liked her more than the submissive Nagisa...boy did I hate Nagisa. I guess I&#039;d be more like Sunohara then, getting really pissed at her just always setting herself aside for other people, that kind of tasteless generosity you always see in anime gets on my nerves. Though arguably Kyou, the tsundere, was the only one not moe, after watching this the 2nd time I didn&#039;t like her as much. I&#039;ll probably have to drop the -sama. 

&lt;strong&gt;Olivia&lt;/strong&gt;: That&#039;s pretty debatable...was NGE bad? Was Okazaki a &quot;bad&quot; protagonist...well he surely was a &quot;badass&quot; though I don&#039;t know if he was shoddily constructed. Like Myssa Rei said I think the prevalent theme of family does necessitate Okazaki&#039;s screwed up being. Though I can&#039;t say he&#039;s &quot;perfect&quot; (i.e. why can&#039;t he be a huge asshole that everyone hates?) he&#039;s not the worst. 

&lt;strong&gt;IK&lt;/strong&gt;: Hahahaha, eat your fruit next time, please, for all our sakes. It&#039;s like the other day in a class this guy asked what instrument I played, so I twittled my fingers around as a guitar player would and he said &quot;what&#039;s that, guitar?&quot; And then I said &quot;no, the perverted gynecologist.&quot; Ok....maybe that’s not really funny. 

I don’t think I can spontaneously match that metaphor.

&lt;strong&gt;Rollchan&lt;/strong&gt;: Dropped it…

&lt;strong&gt; ItAintEazy&lt;/strong&gt;: I &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; there’s a bakaraptor post talking about how stupid it is when manga and anime does this…but I can’t find it. Anyway, thanks, I didn’t actually know it was &lt;em&gt;ti-cha&lt;/em&gt;. And I thought hinano was a guy? (Don’t ask me)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jiff</strong>: You know what would have been cool? I would liked to have seen Okazaki&#8217;s dad occasionally beat him; that would make for some excellent drama, though I guess their scuffle-as-backdrop-foundation can count as that, sorta. On the other hand, I did like the dad because he had a role I don&#8217;t think I see very often, so it did set up some interesting dynamics, putting aside all the clichés.</p>
<p><strong>Myssa Rei</strong>: I didn&#8217;t think the moe here was tasteful, as you saw Jiff reiterate his hate for Impz&#8217;s retarded moe embodied in Fuko. I thought Fuko was ok, I surely liked her more than the submissive Nagisa&#8230;boy did I hate Nagisa. I guess I&#8217;d be more like Sunohara then, getting really pissed at her just always setting herself aside for other people, that kind of tasteless generosity you always see in anime gets on my nerves. Though arguably Kyou, the tsundere, was the only one not moe, after watching this the 2nd time I didn&#8217;t like her as much. I&#8217;ll probably have to drop the -sama. </p>
<p><strong>Olivia</strong>: That&#8217;s pretty debatable&#8230;was NGE bad? Was Okazaki a &#8220;bad&#8221; protagonist&#8230;well he surely was a &#8220;badass&#8221; though I don&#8217;t know if he was shoddily constructed. Like Myssa Rei said I think the prevalent theme of family does necessitate Okazaki&#8217;s screwed up being. Though I can&#8217;t say he&#8217;s &#8220;perfect&#8221; (i.e. why can&#8217;t he be a huge asshole that everyone hates?) he&#8217;s not the worst. </p>
<p><strong>IK</strong>: Hahahaha, eat your fruit next time, please, for all our sakes. It&#8217;s like the other day in a class this guy asked what instrument I played, so I twittled my fingers around as a guitar player would and he said &#8220;what&#8217;s that, guitar?&#8221; And then I said &#8220;no, the perverted gynecologist.&#8221; Ok&#8230;.maybe that’s not really funny. </p>
<p>I don’t think I can spontaneously match that metaphor.</p>
<p><strong>Rollchan</strong>: Dropped it…</p>
<p><strong> ItAintEazy</strong>: I <em>know</em> there’s a bakaraptor post talking about how stupid it is when manga and anime does this…but I can’t find it. Anyway, thanks, I didn’t actually know it was <em>ti-cha</em>. And I thought hinano was a guy? (Don’t ask me)</p>
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		<title>By: ItAintEazy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ItAintEazy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Onegai Sensei&quot;? I know one tsundere fangirl who will &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.minaidehazukashii.com/hinano/2008/03/21/anime-boston-report-day-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sorely disagree with that distinction.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Onegai Sensei&#8221;? I know one tsundere fangirl who will <a href="http://www.minaidehazukashii.com/hinano/2008/03/21/anime-boston-report-day-1/" rel="nofollow">sorely disagree with that distinction.</a></p>
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		<title>By: rollchan</title>
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		<dc:creator>rollchan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bamboo Blade, anyone? :\</description>
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		<title>By: Vin-nii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vin-nii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than splitting the episodes so every heroine gets their share of screentime, Clannad decided to drive the Nagisa route right start till finish while using the fuuko, Kotomi and Tomoyo arc to build on the slife...
I think i would rather Ryou over Kotomi anyday (Fuuko and Tomoyo are funny, especially when Youhei&#039;s around) 

I can also rewatch Clannad (at least twice a year)and still not be bored with it XD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than splitting the episodes so every heroine gets their share of screentime, Clannad decided to drive the Nagisa route right start till finish while using the fuuko, Kotomi and Tomoyo arc to build on the slife&#8230;<br />
I think i would rather Ryou over Kotomi anyday (Fuuko and Tomoyo are funny, especially when Youhei&#8217;s around) </p>
<p>I can also rewatch Clannad (at least twice a year)and still not be bored with it XD</p>
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		<title>By: IKnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>IKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m totally a delinquent. Yesterday I didn&#039;t eat any fruit at lunchtime and spent some time hunting for copies of &lt;em&gt;The Penguin Book of Renaissance Verse&lt;/em&gt; when I should&#039;ve been working.

I like the idea of romance as a delivery mechanism for a different payload (mecha diction from my mecha addiction).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m totally a delinquent. Yesterday I didn&#8217;t eat any fruit at lunchtime and spent some time hunting for copies of <em>The Penguin Book of Renaissance Verse</em> when I should&#8217;ve been working.</p>
<p>I like the idea of romance as a delivery mechanism for a different payload (mecha diction from my mecha addiction).</p>
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		<title>By: Myssa Rei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myssa Rei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...  Slice of life with romantic flavoring anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;  Slice of life with romantic flavoring anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Myssa Rei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myssa Rei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olivia: Now that was just harsh.  I criticize the game and the adaptation, but if anything, Tomoya was SUPPOSED to be that way, since he serves as the contrast to the &#039;normal&#039; people in the world that CLANNAD revolves in.  He&#039;s had a relatively screwed-up home life, if you compare it the lives of the others we&#039;ve been exposed to; Nagisa&#039;s pretty normal, Kyou and Ryou&#039;s family is barely mentioned in passing, Kotomi&#039;s is nonexistent, while Tomoyo was dysfunctional at first.  

Also, he does get better; while people often brush off the theme of Family aside, the adaptation (and it&#039;s a ROMANCE, not a Harem -- you&#039;re probably thinking of To Love Ru) makes it really clear that, if you don&#039;t have a family, it&#039;s pretty much easy to make one of your own through the people around you.  And that&#039;s what the people around Tomoya have become: his surrogate family, to replace the crappy one he started with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olivia: Now that was just harsh.  I criticize the game and the adaptation, but if anything, Tomoya was SUPPOSED to be that way, since he serves as the contrast to the &#8216;normal&#8217; people in the world that CLANNAD revolves in.  He&#8217;s had a relatively screwed-up home life, if you compare it the lives of the others we&#8217;ve been exposed to; Nagisa&#8217;s pretty normal, Kyou and Ryou&#8217;s family is barely mentioned in passing, Kotomi&#8217;s is nonexistent, while Tomoyo was dysfunctional at first.  </p>
<p>Also, he does get better; while people often brush off the theme of Family aside, the adaptation (and it&#8217;s a ROMANCE, not a Harem &#8212; you&#8217;re probably thinking of To Love Ru) makes it really clear that, if you don&#8217;t have a family, it&#8217;s pretty much easy to make one of your own through the people around you.  And that&#8217;s what the people around Tomoya have become: his surrogate family, to replace the crappy one he started with.</p>
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