Oh Please Kawamori for the love of Misa please let Grace be the one who kills Leon.

At least that is what I hope it was… Well that was one episode that was firing on all cylinders, lots of plot progression all around and much to my elation my Alto-hime has finally given Sheryl an answer of sorts. Congratulations Sheryl you will have Kabuki-hime by you’re side until you can sing no more! Unfortunately with her condition being terminal as Sheryl is a long term carrier her seemingly last moments of her career will mean that she will die for the safety of the fleet. I salute her resolution and resolve to put volk and fatherland above her personal safety, and taking up the duties and responsibilities that traitor Ranka cast aside as if they were but trifling things.  We will defeat the bugs and burn them out of their nests! So say we all!

Sort of new toys…they still look sexy though.

So it seems that Leon gets to be the fifth President of Frontier, but if Grace has anything to say about it will be one of the shortest presidencies in Frontier’s history. Since Leon had the gall to try and off Grace it is clear Leon is underestimating Grace and will be very shocked to see Grace roll up to his office in her VF-27 (possibly gold plated) and fuck up his office with an Itano Circus. At the very least it seems Grace is the most evil and dead sexy Cylon of the year, looks like Klein has some competition in the smexy female pilot category. Heck Grace grasping her hopes and dreams gives poor Alto-hime a good run too. The new fold quartz based weapons seem to be working and this time they are taking extra precautions to prevent the bugs from rapidly adapting. The modified VF-171, the VF-171EX is still a beautiful machine though still not as sexy as that VF-25. Nice to see how they are using SMS to train the rookies for the VF-171EXs, instead of just letting the rookies learn the hard way.

Hmmm… I still prefer the VF-25 hopefuly Alto-hime and Luca will get them back.

Sheryl starts singing again for free with the help of Elmo. Elmo doesn’t seem to mind as he now approves of Sheryl’s songs because there is love in her songs now. Mina, Monica, and Ram also approve of this new Sheryl. Their taste in music is about as good as how they look, god I love these girls. Klein is still mourning the loss of Mikhail and decides to tell Alto-hime the truth about Sheryl’s illness. Luca and Leon ask Sheryl to take Ranka’s place after explaining how after being terminally ill Sheryl’s songs have the power to create small fold waves, not nearly as powerful as Ranka’s but still better than nothing. While there is a cure for Sheryl’s illness, she is past that point and in the end decided to sing for the sake of Frontier which is still in ruins with its people still mourning the loss of the last Vajra attack.

The blue-haired alliance. Might as well be brother and sister.

Bobby finally finds Cathy and Ozma again and gets all teary eyed when he sees them. Ozma and Cathy tell Wilder, Bobby, and Canria how Leon orchestrated the assassination of Howard Glass and has by now destroyed all the evidence. Wilder was tipped off by Bilrer about the impending integration of NUNS with SMS. Canaria also informs Ozma about how Ranka has gone rogue and regained her memories. SMS is now at a crossroads try and do something or quietly go along with Leon’s integration plans. Wondering if they are doing the right thing Cathy sends out a call to arms of which we know nothing about to all of SMS. 70% of SMS soldaten answer including Mina, Ram, and Monica who has wedded her fate to that of Wilder. As for the other 30% they all have their reasons to stay behind.

Yakk Deculture! Ranka is Minmei, she even has a doll!

Sheryl gets back to her new home and shortly collapse in front of Alto-hime. Alto gets the call from Cathy but before he reads it he turns off his phone when Sheryl is awake again. Sheryl struggles to keep a brave face and conceal her illness thanking Alto-hime fore making her see that she must sing again. Under the full weight of his knowledge of Sheryl’s impeding fate hime begs Sheryl to stop for the sake of her health and to stop putting on a brave face. Sheryl insists that her songs are the only legacy she has left and is proof that she lived. Alto-hime relents and wipes off her tears reassuring Sheryl that he will be with her until the end. Sheryl admits that she is scared and asks Alto-hime to give her courage. Meanwhile Ranka and Brera find the Vajra homeworld where the once and future queen of the Vajra lives, much to the delight of Grace and her cabal.

Bobby loves them both. Cathy is so lucky to have a sister like that…

The Glass faction of SMS decides to become pirates and seize Macross Quarter and make off with all haste. NUNS along with Luca and Alto sortie off to stop them in their inferior VF-171EXs. Ozma is contemptuous of all of them and gives his reasons for being a pirate as the best way to protect the women he loves. Ozma then accuses Alto-hime of just going with the flow and attributes his stubbornness as the reason why he’s not running off with Quarter. Ozma says he’s not and adult but a man and asks Alto what his wings are for. After shooting each other in a charge Ozma remarks that Alto has improved. Fleeing the battle Ozma tells Alto that Ranka has chosen her path as has he, but asks where Alto will go. Despite a lot of Ozma’s big talk it was a good dogfight with Northern Cross blaring in the background.

Elmo is the Duke of Deculture.

First off I think I might be the only one who doesn’t approve of everything that Ozma says in the dogfight. I agree that Ozma is a man, but he is not an adult. In fact I think Ozma won’t be an adult until he fathers his own kids. One of the reasons why Ranka turned out the way she did was because he was not being an adult with her, nor is Ozma being much of an adult by proclaiming to be leaving Frontier to protect Cathy and Ranka. I say Ozma is about as thick as Alto-hime when it comes to knowing his wingmen. Ozma didn’t seem to understand that Mikhail’s death inflamed both Luca and Alto. I know that Ozma was busy and all but he could have at least tried to meet with both of them personally to try and address the issue, Mikhail was his wingmate too. Since Luca seemed utterly ignorant of what they were doing Cathy’s message must have been vague indeed. I think Alto has already chosen his path but unlike Ranka’s or Ozma’s he can’t protect Sheryl and has to watch her die while he is unable to save her no matter how much he flies. Had Alto been “going with the flow” he would have been there on Quarter after reading Cathy’s vague message, but instead hime mounted a sortie in an inferior fighter. The thing I agree with most in Ozma’s big talk is that Alto has improved, for an inferior pilot Alto did very well considering he was also flying the inferior Valkyrie when Ozma was aiming to kill. Alto at least has finally decided to do something for Sheryl even if Ozma is ignorant of it. I really want to know what the master plan is for Quarter now that they have left since it just reeks of self indulgence and self righteousness at a time when all of Frontier is under the hegemony of Leon. Ozma was not playing nice since he clearly shot at Luca for a kill. Whatever they have planned it better be good enough to excuse leaving everyone on Frontier to Leon’s machinations and actively trying to kill the pilots who are unaware of Leon’s treachery. At least the plan was good enough for Canaria to endanger her husband and child by becoming a pirate with Leon in charge. hopefully their plan will not be “ally with Ranka’s Vajra”, but rather identify which NUNS units are loyal to Leon and which aren’t before advancing to phase 2.

Sheryl has decided to defend the fatherland until death. Honor and Blood for the Northern Cross.

Hopefully Bilrer is playing his own games and did deliberately tip off Wilder about the integration of forces, hence the unofficial memo. Otherwise you have to feel sorry for the man he’s only every done good to help his crew and at least deserves some respect for giving those people a job and letting them run their own operation without much interference from him. I suspect that Bilrer will be having a little chat with both Luca and his favorite kabuki-hime. We know that Bilrer is aware of Grace so he’s probably wary of Leon as well. I don’t think we need a third maniac in the series, besides I hope Bilrer is more cautious given how Grace has proven as invincible as she is sexy. I can understand why Klein stayed behind to help Luca and Alto mourn the loss of Mikhail since their hatred has given them tunnel vision. I like how Klein wasn’t just weeping for herself but was also trying to take care of Alto and Sheryl to have them avoid her fate. Luca would never leave Nanase behind and resolved to stay and protect her going off on some vague message from Cathy wasn’t going to change that. Alto might have left, but he promised to be with Sheryl who decided to stay and sing until she dies for the people of Frontier. Out of everyone in SMS I think that until we see the master plan the boys and girls of Quarter have, that Klein acted the most like an adult.

For once I agree with Leon. Ranka how could you go off with Brera you filthy traitor?!

Poor Cathy has lost her dad but at least she still has her surrogate family in Bobby and their daughters Mina, Ram, and Monica. I like how Cathy is an adult about this and choose the time and place where she cries. The decision to ask 70% of SMS to mutiny for the sake of her father was a hard choice. In the end though even if they had good intentions, it won’t mean shit if taking down Leon means slaughtering the people who chose to stay and protect the Frontier Fleet. Again I hope their master plan is good since going after Ranka is pretty much a pipe dream since they have no idea where to look. Hopefully they are still taking input from Bilrer or Klein who can act as their eyes on Leon. If Ozma never grows up into and adult, then at least he has Cathy to be the adult for him, forever if need be.

Kabitzin just make banner for Ram, she likes snails, those are almost like slugs…

Not much on the Ranka front, but I do hope Ozma learns the truth about how his Ranka has been acting as of late so he can apologize like a man for spoiling her to the point that she would run off with Brera. Given how disingenuous Grace was about Brera leaving without her knowledge I highly suspect that given how Grace also found the Vajra homeworld that Brera is not acting entirely on his own. I bet Grace was the one who manipulated Ranka into leaving or at the very least bugged Brera and was able to see what he sees. Grace is just awesome, I hope this will be one of Kikuko Inoue’s most memorable roles for years to come. It’s hard to believe that the voice of Belldandy is the same one as the super evil Grace. Ms. Kikuko Inoue, you ma’am are awesome.

I am glad it hurts, traitor…maybe Brera will make it all better.

Sheryl has over awed me once again, she sang for charity and was content with that. Unlike Minmei who took food and money to support her Kaifun, Sheryl did the exact opposite. This is why I have taken a liking to Sheryl she has improved and has done everything right where Minmei fucked up. While Kurogane would have us all believe that Sheryl sings only for Alto this is false since Sheryl thought about the grieving people of Frontier before she thought of Alto-hime. Ranka sings for Alto, Sheryl sings for the poor citizens of Frontier in their darkest moment. Like I stated before I admire Sheryl’s resolve to put the people of Frontier before her own life. This is the exact opposite of the Sheryl we met in episode 1 where she cared only about Sheryl Nome. She wanted to tough it out herself and spare Alto-hime and every one else the ordeal of having to watch her waste away. Sheryl has every right to be scared at time when she has fully accepted the duties and consequences of being Ranka’s replacement for the fleet. I am glad Sheryl did not ask Alto-hime to stay with her because she was lonely she only asked for the courage to see things through to the very end. I am also glad that Elmo, Monica, Ram, and Mina also like her new songs. The scared little girl who Grace found on Galaxy has grown into a fine woman. Sheryl as she is now is the anti-thesis of Minmei, I just hope Alto-hime not only sees that but loves her all the more for it.

Poor Elmo can’t get a break from MIB for the last two clients…

I think that Alto-hime has made a decision, its by no means definitive, but given how in the post Canvas 2 world is Alto-hime might pull off a jerk move by leading Sheryl on only to get with Ranka in the end. I hope it won’t come to that since at this late in the game I want these plot threads resolved sooner and don’t want more love triangle stuff mucking things up or slowing things down since the action has really heated up now. Regardless of whether or not Sheryl and Alto-hime got intimate with one another is pretty much moot. All we know is that while hime was in there with Sheryl giving her “courage” it must have gotten really hot in there. Hot enough at least to take off his jacket… In any case I think it was as good as an answer as we are going to get from Alto-hime. Hime has decided to be with Sheryl and give her the courage to see things through. The tragic part is that other than that there isn’t much else hime can do for her. The parallel with his mother Miyo-sama is important because when Miyo-sama died Alto-hime probably had no idea that she was on the verge of death; hime’s life was forever altered by that tragedy and now the imminent loss of Sheryl will be a severe blow to Alto-hime. I don’t think that Alto wiped away Sheryl’s tears and hugged her out of a sense of pity, I think he did it because he cared that much for Sheryl. For most of the series hime has been really tolerant of Sheryl’s antics and teasing, when Sheryl was kicking herself Alto-hime wanted to revitalize her spirits, and now that hime knows that she isn’t going to live into old age hime showed the most emotion he ever has for the entire series.

Klein you should just adopt yourself into Alto-hime’s family that way you can help all of them sort their problems.

Alto-hime probably never did say good bye to his mother who kept things hidden from hime. Now that he knows that Sheryl is slowly wasting away I think Alto-hime is doing what he would have done for his mother. Alto doesn’t want Sheryl to die, her songs and the public be damned if they don’t get their idol, and that I think is the real indicator of how much Alto-hime cares. It was not the most perfect “I’ll be with you until the end” thing ever but it was for the most part genuine in the sense that there was something between them when they showed each other how vulnerable they really were for the first time. There was no pretension of strength or façade of nonchalance it was two people who confessed their fears and uncertainties to one another. Sheryl was afraid and lonely, and Alto did not want Sheryl to die. In his heart I think that hime has come to a decision. If Alto wanted to find Ranka then the opportunity to run off after her came and went with Quarter. It’s much more telling how Alto-hime did perceive Ranka’s flight with Brera as nothing less than a betrayal. Alto and Luca are out to kill Vajra and they seemed quite willing to bring Ranka back in chains if they had to so Nanase would never know how Ranka had betrayed them all for the bugs. Hime chose to stay behind because he wanted to honor his promise to Sheryl to be with her until the very end. Hime wasn’t screaming because Ozma was right, but probably because he wasn’t protecting much of anything by flying any more. Brera was better able to protect Ranka, Ozma was able to protect Cathy, Mikhail was able to protect Klein, but Alto cannot protect Sheryl no matter how many times he sorties. All three of them Ozma, Brera, and Mikhail were flying to protect the person they loved. Alto can’t even do that, so how much of a man is he when the person he cares about is dying and hime can’t do more than give Sheryl the courage to sing and die?

Your new life starts today Klein-sama.

Hopefully this is the end for the love triangle. Things can only move forward and go up I hope the ride Kawamori and his team have prepared for us is going to be full of win and awesome. Now I want to see Grace vs. Brera, Grace vs. Ozma, and Grace vs. Alto-hime, any of those will do Mr. Kawamori I just want to see Grace fly her VF-27 gracefully until the end. Here’s hoping Quarter has a sound plan and that Grace will have revenge on Leon. It would be funny of Grace assassinates Leon making the whole pirates on Quarter plan moot with Ozma looking like an idiot… In fact Mr. Kawamori and crew I give you free license to make that happen because Grace is just that awesome I don’t want credit I don’t want anything just do that and I will fork over money for your Bluray release in NA in what ever collector’s/limited edition thingie you plan on dropping here.

That she’s all Nanase’s would be a start.

Should have made Ranka Judas…

Not to mention run off with Brera…

Hime’s first reaction to Ranka.

I like simple.

In short kill Ai-kun.

That’s like joining the US Navy to study nuclear engineering…

Like every other college student.

Yeah and we all know who to thank for that…

Hey look there’s Capt. Wilder!

Well that peaked her interest.

Great job Elmo!

Sheryl’s in love, and got rid of Grace.

So say we all.

Can we change the “one of us dies part”?

I want to see AltoxSheryl because that would make Klein happy, and she deserves to be happy more than any one.

Leon tried to, trust me Cathy only an idiot would try and call of a marriage with you.

Cathy is so lucky ot have a sister like Bobby.

Except the ones involving Grace.

So did Bilrer tip them off? I hope so, given how duplicitous Leon is…

Let’s hope its not a spur of the moment thing.

Better than nothing, right?

Only you’ll be doing it for the Fleet.

We will be counting on you Sheryl to make sure this does not happen again.

Some day Sheryl this will be your home for good.

This how adults make decision we think about them before we do something stupid.

Good now all you have to decide is if the 4th Squadron is really in league with Leon or if they are just a bunch of rookies who follow around Sakura-hime…

Alto felt otherwise…

Never give in, never give up!

You have more than that I assure you…

Alto-hime leads the way!

She has but she wants to do more for volk and fatherland.

Beacsue Sheryl doesn’t want Alto to care out of pity.

You Sheryl Nome, and you will do great things.

A genuine laugh is so much better.

Well that was a 180… guess living a bit longer means that much to ya, hime?

Miyo-sama will protect you both…

Because you certainly can’t have kids…

Noe finds these tears of Sheryl to be True Tears.

Noe also wants to see hime cry True Tears.

Everyone who is that close to death is.

Not any more…

You better uphold that oath Atlo-hime.

Really to go after Ranka after making this oath would make you the biggest prick in the history of Macross.

It’s Sakura-hime and she loves you.

Alto-hime you better be there to wipe away her tears until her untimely death. For Men do not mak such oaths lightly.

Yes… courage.

Hime will, at least he better.

Oh just you two?

Oh there’s more…

That’s it?

Leon should have sent more…

Mina wink is okay…

Oh yes “ready for marriage” Monica is moe.

Okay kids play nice okay?

Cathy has such wonderful imoutos.

Klein stayed for her imoutos Alto-hime and Sheryl, along with that idiot Luca.

Klein respects what you are doing Ozma so don’t be a prick about it. Also make it fast.

Alto stayed for Sheryl, not that hime could do much for her…

Yes she did alright…

She chose to elope with Brera…good going Ozma.

Final destination Protoculture homeworld?

Leon should have sent more men…

Grace’s new ride.

I for one welcome our Cylon Grace Overlords.

Aww…such a shame Ranka made me dislike her som much later in life…

I know…how about kill Brera? Now that is a resolution!


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I really don’t understand why everyone is so emo about Ranka leaving the losers to join the winners.

Ubi added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 4:51 am

Nothing to add, this is utterly biased.
This wasn’t even Ranka epsiode and you find the way to crticize her action as if it’s already over for her, she is a traitor and that’s all.
“Hopefully this is the end for the love triangle. Things can only move forward and go up I hope the ride Kawamori and his team have prepared for us is going to be full of win and awesome”
I look forward to see your post when Sheryl will know he stays with her out of pity and will let him go.

shinz added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 5:33 am

Emo about what?

SoSo/Karin lover added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 5:34 am

Haha, I loved Wilder’s train of thoughts!

“Hurr… if we can’t be a private army, we’ll be pirates! Yarr me maties! We now set sail on the Quarter to plunder the mystical Protoculture home planet! Arrrr, and while we’re at it, we shall find that traitor Ranka and her brother and make them walk the plank! What say ye to that?” *met with loud applause from crew* Must of been a childhood dream come true for him hey?

Apart from that, I, for one, also liked the fact that Alto has finally committed himself to Sheryl in this episode. Seeing them both reveal their feelings felt absolutely wonderful. It was such a shame that a few minutes later, I was shocked and stunned to see Alto pilot that inferior VF-171. It was so strange and… so horribly wrong to see him pilot anything but his VF-25.

Mmm, the story’s almost over… I hope the show wraps up well.

justam added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 6:00 am

Wah, I really want Luca to die. He just bugs me.

What a nice planet. Would be nice to settle down there, though there would be like the Vajra around, but if we followed Ranka’s footsteps we can live peacefully together. Yay more Ai-kuns and they would grow up and we can go into outspace. ^.^ ~of in another world

Cherubium added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 6:14 am

BIASED until the end my folks.. oh welp everyone is entitled to their own opinions..thanks very much

etineski added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 6:27 am

“Heck Grace grasping her hopes and dreams gives poor Alto-hime a good run too.”

IIRC, according to a member at http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php? its not her hopes and dreams, its Grace’s “despairs and nightmares.” LOLZ!!!!

“Ozma was not playing nice since he clearly shot at Luca for a kill.”

I wonder if Ozma’s missles did kill Luca would that actually add more tension to the show?

“Hime wasn’t screaming because Ozma was right, but probably because he wasn’t protecting much of anything by flying any more. Brera was better able to protect Ranka, Ozma was able to protect Cathy, Mikhail was able to protect Klein, but Alto cannot protect Sheryl no matter how many times he sorties. All three of them Ozma, Brera, and Mikhail were flying to protect the person they loved. Alto can’t even do that, so how much of a man is he when the person he cares about is dying and hime can’t do more than give Sheryl the courage to sing and die?”

I really like this theory/explanation about Alto’s frastrated scream in this episode. :)

grss1982 added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 6:35 am

Crusader, why aren’t you criticizing anyone from SMS for abandoning Frontier much like how you criticized Ranka earlier? To abandon the people knowing that there won’t be much defense to fend off the Vajras. This is supposed to be Frontier’s time of need and SMS did the same thing as Ranka did. Didn’t you see that wrong no matter what the reasons are? ;)

“Noe finds these tears of Sheryl to be True Tears.”

lol! Noe <3 Your screencaps might be too pro-sheryl, but they still crack me up.

ani_d added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 6:46 am

Whether Ranka did wrong is dependent on your personal view. However, my preference for Sheryl and the series’s emphasis on Ranka since episode 10(A lot of episodes, you know) has truly frustrated the Sheryl fan in me and let’s just say Sheryl’s comeback was something happy for me. And I hope Alto stays with Sheryl or I won’t forgive him.

Ranka’s reaction to this crisis may be irresponsible, immature or so on, but I think we should realise that different people react differently to a crisis and not everyone can display the kind of strength that Ranka didn’t have. Although it doesn’t make abandoning Frontier forgivable, there is no need to go too hard on Ranka.

Sagittarius added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 7:00 am

GO, MACROSS PIRATES! RAID THE UNIVERSE OF ITS BOOTY!

Omisyth added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 7:23 am

That shot with Cathy crying on Bobby shoulder has now settled who the okaa-san (Bobby) and one-san (Cathy) are.

Also, I’m wondering what Bilrer’s planning as he and Leon are obviously not in cahoots. I’m guessing we’ll see Alto give Bilrer and his trains a visit again soon.

d3v added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 7:32 am

As expected Crusader has a better handle on why Alto was so frustrated at the end of the episode than most people do. Ozma pretty much said “I’m a man and I’m going to protect the woman I love and I have chosen this path”. He said this to the guy who just found out the woman he loves is dying which he can’t do a thing about it, dying just like his mother did. Of course he’s going to be frustrated, people seem to base this on being about Ranka because of the Ranka flash and Ozma’s dialogue but Ozma was using Ranka as an example of someone who found her path like himself. And Sheryl flashed before Ranka did prior to Alto’s scream.

Westlo added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 7:51 am

This is so rife with bias it almost seems like he’s mocking Sheryl shippers.

Nellie added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 7:53 am

I don’t have much to say, but you know this always completes my weekly Macross F experience, so thanks again! ^_^

forgottendiary added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 8:39 am

alto is now confused…

ranka or sheryl?

I’d say, he should go for Klan.

:D

rollchan added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 8:57 am

Is it bad that I’m more concerned with who Alto ends up with than the whole Vajra deal?

Blue added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 9:21 am

I want to know what happened to the paper airplane made from origami paper that was next to Mio Sama’s photograph.

vjean added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 9:51 am

Don’t bother about who Alto will end up with. Ranka’s best case scenario is Sheryl dies and she “wins” by default. In that case, it’s going to be an Alto whose first choice sang herself to death because Ranka stepped out to Find Herself. It isn’t going to happen. Everybody has made all the choices there are to make, Ranka didn’t choose Princess and Princess didn’t choose Ranka.

jack added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 10:06 am

I disliked Ranka for how she behaved. She didn´t get Alto then she´s all “oh I don´t want to sing anymore since I saw Alto hugging Sheryl”…

Now she´s taken a step forward making her a lot better and wanting to do things for herself. Brera is starting to recall his memories as well. Or atleast his body remembers his little sister.

Alto on the other hand is a freaking wuzz. Oh one girl who liked me ran away with someone else and now I´m all depressed and since I lost one potential “lover” I throw myself at the other when I find out she´s seriously ill.

Talk about rebounds…

About that planet, isn´t that the homeplanet for where Macross Zero was played? Since I remember that cloud formation from somewhere.

manga added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 10:18 am

Doesn’t matter who Alto goes for, both Sheryl and Ranka will most likely wind up dead and Alto will wind up alone!

Hopefully, Alto will end up with Grace. win/win situation.
Evil Mastermind and Immortal Goddess all rolled into one.

Halcyon added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 10:50 am

Great Blog as always Crusader. I look forward every week to reading your take on the newest episodes. As usual, they’re pretty much spot on.

So SMS and Ranka are going to make peace with the Vajra, and come back and save Frontier, then be proclaimed Heroes. Give me a break. This whole thing is so illogical it makes me sick to think that they would end it with this poor cliche.

Whether or not Alto, Luca, and Klan made the correct decsision in the story writers’ eyes, they are the best protection the colony fleet has left, since the rest of SMS left. If Frontier was destroyed, SMS would deserve what they would get coming to them.

JustinStrife added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 11:26 am

I can’t help but point out that since SMS are private contractors, they can’t really go AWOL. That’s the technical side. The practical side of the matter is that SMS leaving with Quarter (technically, private property) is probably one of the smartest things anyone has done in Frontier in quite a while.

Going by the information SMS seems to have (i.e. no sure info on Grace, etc.), the most sound conclusion Wilder and Ozma can produce is this: in a short time Macros will go under regardless of SMS’s presence. This is going by info SMS has because they don’t seem to be privy to the way (if there is one) Leon hopes to save Frontier.

That is one conclusion, the other is less certain, but more reassuring. Given that Vajra attacked seemingly without reason and from nowhere, given they seem to poses intelligence or at least they are controlled by one it might be possible to deal with Vajra with methods other then guns. Moreover, the SMS has observed an incredible number of odd things: fold bombs (one procured by Luca no less), rebellion by Zentradi marines, coup d’etat planned and carried out at exactly the time of Vajra attack, cover-up of Galaxy’s fate and existence of Antares squad, etc. All these odd things force ‘to look to the left’ to quote Wilder. Clearly, with Ozma and Cathy being on the ‘unofficial’ wanted list and given ease with which Leon would have any of the SMS killed, leaving Frontier was the only sensible option if the goal is to save Frontier i.e. to save at least some people from dying. Incidentally, none of the NUNS planes attacking Quarter were shown exploding and it was the NUNS (Luca) who fired first.

Deckard added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 11:26 am

There is something to be said for lighting out just before the purges have a chance to begin, of course.

jack added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 11:29 am

While your Macross entries have a high degree of truth to them, I can’t help but think that you’re being too hard on Ranka. I don’t think leaving the fleet was the best thing to do, but at least, unlike Alto, she knows what she’s doing and is sticking by it. I also think she will not be running to Hime’s arms anytime soon.

Alto is being more annoying than Ranka to me. He is way too indecisive for his own good.

As far as the love triangle goes, I hope you’re right. IMO, Sheryl’s been the most likely one to end up with Alto since episode 16.

skull_fairy added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 11:42 am

i can see your point of view, but i think its biased and your being waaaaaaay to hard on ranka, and im not a Sheryl hater if thats what your thinkin.. yes, Ranka made a last minute decision but at least shes doin somethin on her own….. but i agree that alto is getting on my nerves…..he keeps swinging back and forth! MAKE UP YOUR MIND MAN!!! im startin to not care who he ends up with (do i really mean that?!? hmmmm)…personally im glad Ozma told alto off :P *sigh* i miss cute little ranka…. it said in preview that stuff about her will be revealed and alto will finally make a choice, FINALLY! wonder if this “choice” will be any good…
as usual i cant wait for next episode :D

anime_lover added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 1:21 pm

Crusader is not biased. Crusader was a Ranka fan in the first almost dozen episodes of the series(read his older blog entries on Frontier). It’s just that Ranka has pissed off the fandom except for a small minority. Time and time again, she’s been a disappointment to Macross Fans from around the world. She’s now getting beat by Klan Klan in popularity polls, with Sheryl having a 5:1 vote lead.

Alto will not be making a choice towards Ranka. There’s no way now. Even if Sheryl dies in the end, he will not be running into Ranka’s arms. He’s already made his choice as a adult, it’s just how he fights for that choice, that decides if he’s a true man or not.

Ozma deserves a good bitch slapping for his lame argument this episode. I almost wish Frontier would get wiped out, so they could angst over what a stupid decision they made.

JustinStrife added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 2:03 pm

I love how some people still go with the “Alto is an indecisive wuss” meme, even if he clearly chose this episode. Oh, well, some people cannot adjust their view in less than a weeks time, I guess…

And that Crusader as a soldier would take a betrayal like Rankas a bit harder is not too difficult to discern…

BTW, is Crusader German? He likes to use a lot of German terms and also spells them correctly… ^^

Magnus added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 2:42 pm

Hmm… I have really bad premonitions for Sheryl.

1 - Alto knows about the illness, so Sheryl cant be sure that is not pity like let’s say in “Kimi ga Nozomu Eien”. Is not the best way of say that he love she.

2 - Alto never say, “I love you” or at least “I like you”. My japanese sucks, but I think that the subs are pretty acurate with the “I’ll be there. If you sing, I’ll be there beside you until that final moment.” and she dont say “love me tonight”, she say “please give me courage for keep singing” (is these platonic love because she is weak?). It look like an ambiguous answer, forced out by terminal illness and tears. Let’s face it, pass the last month or years with she is not like wasting the rest of Alto’s life, he can re-marry with another girl when Sheril dye, the guy is young and good looking. The longer that he dont say “I love you”, he dont lie. The anime team can closed the thing with a clear declaration and a pasionate kiss, more or less like the death of Mikhael, he was impaled side by side and ejected to the vacum of space with no air tank. But no, they chosed words and scenes that I cant say that I am so happy for Sheryl. Do a simple kiss need censorship? After saw Alto kissing both girls in the Zero movie chapter? If these is a victory moment or their prelude, it taste like just hot air to me.

3 - Interesting interpretations about Alto’s confusion in battle. Let’s check some lines from the subs, for the record let’s remember that Ozma have no idea about Sheril Illness:

1) Aren’t you the one who’s just flowing along?
The illness of Sheryl and stay with she.

2) On circusntances! On those momentary emotions!
Saying that he stay with she after he saw shes mask of strenght falling broken in the form of true tears to the futon.

3) Alto. Ranka chose her own path. I’ll choose my own path, as well. Where will you go?
They take dificult decisions, but they followed their hearts. (we can have a long debate about the moral and duty on these one)

All of these battle scenes with Sheryl singing “Norther Cross” ending theme, that is also the name of these chapter, I picked some lines:

…Wont’ anyone gently brush the outline of the void?…
…But I’m afraid I dont have an answer…
…I’ll cry if you arent’t here because it’s all meaningless…
…I wanted to hear your heart…
…Won’t anyone embrace me tightly with the sentiments of the dawn?…
…Called by it’s fate, the Northen Star is crying…

Sadly, I think that when Ozma confront Alto with words. Alto is not thinking about what side take in the rebellion or felling bad because he is impotent to protect Sheril from illness. He is confused because he still cant say clearly to Sheril that he love she. He feel like he stay in Frontier, because is the right thing to do, Sheril need him. The song reflect the situation of Sheril and set the mood, Alto’s reaction reflect the inner confusion that still boils inside. Maybe even the violent conflict of loyalties reflect also the romantic conflict of the relations. Some people find long and boring Ozma talking so much, or maybe they find these kind of details boring in a mecha battle or that all these emo stuff is just really cheap made. Ok, but I dont think that Sheril got a clear declaration of love and we cant sing victory. Alto final resolution, yeah boy, give to Sheril a clear declaration with a pasionate kiss for sealing away any doubt, I dont ask for anything more like fanservice and such.

mareo added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 2:51 pm

A few comments:

1) It’s ‘piqued’, with regards to getting someone’s interest.

2) Bobby’s definitely the ship’s “Mom” with Cathy getting the “Big Sister” role to Wilder’s “Dad”.

3) SMS is indeed a private contractor, and Leon’s move to ‘nationalize’ their personnel and assets reminds me more of the ‘appropriations’ (read: forceful seizure of assets) that Latin American leaders like Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro have engaged in, especially since SMS may have information about the assassination of the last lawfully elected president. They’re bound to the command structure, but they’re an independent organization… or were, until Leon moved to dissolve them so he could use them up as cannon fodder in order to keep the truth quiet; look at how he ‘dealt’ with Grace there. Luca’s joined Leon because he hates the Vajra, and wants them all dead, not caring that he’ll be helping a tyrant who is indirectly responsible for getting Nanase hurt through his scheming into power over the galaxy; that’s why he said his goals were greater when Luca thought that Mr. Bilrer just wanted to get a monopoly on space travel. It’s easier to run an empire when your troops have freedom of movement to any part of your domain, after all… especially if they can move faster than the enemy.

4) The NUNS shot to kill first; note Luca’s comment there after Ozma laughed off their demand to surrender: “That’s too bad, Lt. Commander.” Beyond that, soldiers DO have a duty to themselves and the army to not follow unlawfully given orders, which Leon has been issuing to other units (assassinating your own president, shooting civilians). Whether they jumped ship to follow Ranka, or just to escape to warn the NUNS HQ that the Frontier fleet had been coopted by anti-UN Spacy forces is beside the point in this case - they’re private citizens who don’t simply follow orders from above, as Wilder pointed out in his “We are privateers” speech.

5) Mr. Bilrer may be the Richard Branson of his era - he wants to transcend the limits of space in order to unite a galactic civilization, or so he says… and how he warned Wilder of the NUNS takeover may point to this. Whether Alto or anyone else will listen to him after this… we’ll see if Mr. Bilrer ends up being found shot dead by “Traitors to humanity” in the next episode or two. Leon seems to be moving in that direction anyways, with an emphasis on finding scapegoats to cover his own plans.

6) Grace is like a Cylon crossed with Major Kusanagi now - surprising depths in terms of her planning, cybernetic skills, and the ability to kill a hit squad by herself. She even has the purple hair and mocking manner of the Major. Mmmm… hot purple-haired cyborgs. Also, with a new monitor the VF-27 she was looking at appears to be one of the olive-colored ones that accompanied Brera into combat in the past.

7) Cathy’s message appeared to have been phrased in a way that made it vague enough that it wouldn’t be caught by any filtering software or would’ve kept anyone who got the message but refused to go along with the privateer attempt immune from prosecution. Especially given how Leon has used net-based blocking attempts in the past to manage info, the message probably HAD to be very vaguely phrased - something like “The president can’t be trusted, come to the Quarter and join us if you want to know more” might’ve passed muster… maybe. Either way, Luca doesn’t care about the truth anymore - he just wants the Vajra dead. Alto wanted to pilot and kill Vajra to protect Ranka to start, but now he’s running out of reasons to fly a VF - Ranka’s run off with Brera, Ozma and company are leaving because they don’t trust Leon, and Sheryl’s dying of the infection and is apparently past the point where she can be cured. So why is he flying now?

Last, but certainly not least, Grace’s breasts represent power and conquest. Either that, or they conceal massive-calibur firearms which explain how the soldiers got all those holes in them. God, I love her more than ever after this…. especially if she gets a chance to backstab Leon one more time.

Ah well - at least Ranka’s finally made a decision for once, and perhaps of her own accord. If it turns out that she’s only following Grace’s suggestion… massive disappointment will ensue.

Haesslich added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 4:01 pm

Am I the only one that thinks chibi-Ranka is fugly as hell?

Missali added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 4:43 pm

I won’t add more to the ranka hate/love debate, but I’ll just tell you this. This is my guess on how the series will end (tongue in cheek guys!).

Sherryl will die, Ranka become the Vajra Queen and make peace with humanity.

Alto will end with no one :D. No, not even Klan. Klan is definitely going to die in the final battle.

And uh… of course alto will realize his poor choice… He will be SAKURA HIME: SPACE PIRATE!

GO SPACE PIRATES! ARR!

Faris added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 4:50 pm

@Ubi
some how I don’t think Ranka is going to join Grace…

@Shinz
Smiling with Brera is a crime, Ranka can’t have both Alto-hime and Brera…besides we are seeing the consequences of Ranka’s treachery. Kind of hard to ignore the candle light vigils and the wall of lost souls even iwth loli-Ranka.

@justam
Pirates are cool. Alto-hime needs his VF-25 back, hopefully they will get it soon.

@Cherubium
Aside from the belt of hurricanes it looks like a decent enough place to live if the bugs are truly not hostile.

@etineski
Sure whatever just give me some positive Ranka development in the next episode where she thinks about her friend Nanase wand we can go back to being friendly with Ranka despite her crass dereliction of duty.

@grss1982
If Luca got killed then there could be no reconciliation.

Despair and nightmares eh? I like that…thanks editing now.

@ani_d
I geve my reasons one they got weapons that work again, two they seem to be thinking about this more indepth. Third they felt that drawing out and identifying NUNS units loyal to Leon is in their best interests in removing Leon rather than let’s go find the Vajra and return Ai-kun home. The difference here is that I can see that they are thinking and not just going off to abandoning the fleet. More likely they ware trying to lure out Leon’s faction and trash them before they take Leon out.

SMS had good better reasons and they gave the issue thought to the point that Canaria was willing to risk the lives of her son and husband to get rid of Leon. Every one made their own decision hence why 30% of SMS felt that is was better to say to help the people left behind. Ranka left for selfish reasons, SMS is doing this expressly for the most part to help the fleet by trying to get rid of Leon. SMS I can understand ans sympathize with Ranka not so much since she did not even question what she was doing.

@Sagittarius
Perhaps, but I still feel betrayed by Ranka since she is now Minmei in all but name now, there’s just not enough time for her to really grow up since Grace is now one the prowl and things are heating up on Frontier. Ranka was supposed to have been a better person after making it big the hard way but it seems that fame was still too strong a poison for Ranka. It would have been fine if Ranka at least though about the people she left behind, but such as not hte case, she seemed to eager to get along with Brera…I don’t like that so I won;t pretend that I do.

@Omisyth
You are a Pirate!

@d3v
Yeah I don’t think Bilrer has forgotten how Leon cast him aside. Hopefully Richard will set both Luca and Alto-hime straight.

@Westlo
Well they did cut to Sheryl before cutting to Ranka. It just doesn’t make much sense for Alto-hime to be raging about Ranka after passing up two chances to go and bring her back. Besides I don;t think Kawamori is out to make Alto-hime the worst male protagonist in Macross history by making him go back on his oath to Sheryl. Alto-hime has been backed into a corner if he loves Sheryl then he will be likable, if he gos after Ranka now he will be the biggest jerk in the whole franchise for years to come.

@Nellie
It’s called an opinion I am not here to retell the whole episode verbatim, go watch it yourself.

@forgottendiary
Thanks for reading.

@rollchan
Klein is going to be the onee-sama to Sheryl and Alto. Ending up with a Klein ending would be weird but it could happen…

@Blue
i don;t know but at this point I just want things to wrapped up nicely since we are now at the final run for this. It would be preferable if the love triangle is over and done with so that we can have Battle Frontier vs Battle Galaxy.

@vjean
They moved the photo, perhaps its a sign that things have changed since then? Maybe Alto-hime needs a new set of wings.

@jack
I just hope that its over now so we can have more Grace caressing her despair and nightmares…

@manga
I think Alto made a choice he didn’t go after Ranka twice when both chances came up and now he wants to bring her back not for himself but to prevent Nanase from discovering Ranka’s treachery. I think Alto-hime has made a choice but it isn’t one where he can really be a man about it. He chose to stay with Sheryl to the end, but watching her die as she sings her last few songs is not going to make hime more manly.

@Halcyon
We must bow before the Grace the Great, she is as deadly as she is sexy.

@JustinStrife
Yeah if Frontier bites it while Ozma and Quarter are away then they will be the assholes, but I doubt going after Ranka is part of their plans for the first phase, finding out which units are loyal to Leon is probably more important.

Scary thing is they could be riding on Vajra bugs at the end an d it would still be Macross…

@Deckard
They were technically drafted when Glass declared a state of emergency, which also meant that they could not disobey orders. We know that all of Leon’s orders are unlawful, but that will not excuse them if they kill a bunch of NUNS grunts who were ignorant of the assassination and were following orders. Cathy and Ozma have no proof the onus is on them to prove that Leon did it. NUNS can’t be expected to mutiny on the basis of one accusation without proof.

I don’t think that SMS is wrong for trying to oust leon I just hope that they have a good plan on how to get it done, they don’t know that the Vajra are friendly heck Ozma doesn’t knwo why the 117th Fleet was attacked in the first place. They know Leon is not to be trusted, and I hope that their plan to get rid of him is sound, otherwise killing a bunch of people on Frontier to remove on dictator and his coup plotters is rather inexcusable considering how there was no effort to warn the civilian population. If any civies get killed SMS will have to share some responsibility for it.

@jack
Well Grace can still purge Leon for his insolence. Grace thinks Leon will not have a long time sitting in that chair, and Grace is usually right…

@skull_fairy
I think Alto made a choice by staying on Frontier Ranka and Ozma are not longer tied to the Fleet, but Alto still is through Sheryl and his family. Packing up an leaving was possible for Ranka because she really didn’t care enough about the people she left, and Ozma could leave because Cathy and Ranka were not on Frontier anymore. Hence why Ozma asked Canaria if it was okay for her to leave with them since she left behind her kid and husband. Alto and Luca could not pack up and leave because they could not take the people they cared about with them and were not willing to risk them on some vague message by Cathy.

I am hard on Ranka because she has become Minmei when I had such high hopes for her after episode 12 since then it has been one disappointment after another. All I want from Ranka at this point is for even a little bit of regret and self reflection as to whether her choice was the right one.

@anime_lover
I loved Ranka after episode 12, but i can’t pretend to like Ranka when I really don’t because she failed me and became Minmei. For a Macross vet to become Minmei is the basest betrayal possible, if Ranka goes emo on me after finding out that Grace was using her then she will be beyond redemption. If Ranka at least showed some self reflection on whethe her decison to leave was the right one then I could forgive her, but right now playing nice with Brera is not making Ranka any more likable.

I think Ozma overstepped his bounds on this one Mikhail just died and he acts as if Luca and Alto-hime should just forget about it and go with him. For a squadron leader Ozma is pretty thick. He’s a man, but he’s no adult which is why Ranka ended up acting like a spoiled child later on.

@JustinStrife
i believed in Ranka until the debacle of 20 and 21 I think that it was this way for a lot of people who supported Ranka only to find that our expectations were too high for her. It’s sad really to see how basically she pissed on all her supporters by being Minmei. After that I don;t see how Ranka can fully redeem herslf unless she actually takes a swing at Grace.

@Magnus
I am no German though I have a great fondness for German military terms and history. I think that until Alto-hime flat out says it that he will always bee seen as indecisive. I think he has made a choice in staying with Sheryl until the end, if he wanted to go after Ranka that chance came and went twice…

@mareo
I don’t think Alto-hime is staying out of a sense of pity but because he really didn’t want Sheryl to die and realized how much of a jerk he was being to her the whole time. This is probably is about as straight an answer as we are going to get though…

@Haesslich
Well at least they know now tha t 4th Squadron might be in league with Leon, but I I am still hoping hey are made to look like fools when Grace offs Leon in her new VF-27 that way at least they will have accept that mutiny was never a good solution. I think that Luca has put Nanase on such high prioity that he will be the last to turn on Leon.

As for Bilrer I think that given how Grace and Leon are about as evil as they get that one more evil xantos gambit guy is not going to help any story wise. I hope Bilrer is one of the good guys even if he is a bit crazy, he did sort of tip off Wilder, and i doubt that Bilrer has forgotten how duplicitous Leon can be. I hope Bilrer is the one who will reunite SMS and provide the counter weight to Leon and Luca. Besides we need an eccentric Zentradi hero for the series. Given how Bilrer has kept every one but his favorite Kabiki-hime at a distance I think that Bilrer is at least a decent judge of charater. he still gave that blow hard Ozma a job so he can;t be all bad if he knows who to hire and who to fire.

The problem with trying to blast NUNS for following Leon is that the representatives approved of him and there was no evidence left of an assassination. Since Cathy and Ozma have no proof that is not grounds to mutiny for the rank and file. They have a responsibility to obey lawful orders but right now other than SMS no one knows that Leon offed President Glass. Perry-kun didn’t like Leon, but because there was no grounds on shich he could disobey he had to follow orders. What SMS needs to do is prove to every one that Leon is a traitor they cannot simply off him and expect the public and NUNS to treat them like heroes.

Conversely there is no point in getting rid of Leon if all of Frontier dies along with him whether by their guns or the Vajra’s. Hopefully SMS will accept the consequences if they kill too many people in order to reveal Leon as a traitor. If Canaria’s family dies in the process Ozma better man up and accept that he had a hand in their deaths.

I agree that right now Alto-hime has no reason left to fly unless revenge on Vajra is going to count. For the most part every Pilot flew because he has some one to protect, Alto isn’t protecting any one not even Sheryl by flying any more so he needs a new reason to fly. Hopefully either, Klein, Sheryl, or Bilrer will give hime a new reason to fly and be a man.

I still prefer addressing them as despair and nightmares for Grace, just as a play on Sheryl’s hopes and dreams. either way Grae has just been delivering ever since she was unmasked as the big bad. Is there anything Grace can;t do? i just hope she really turns eveil when she meets that traitor Brera and Ranka again. No doubt Grace will take joy in making Ranka cry at the horror of knowing that she helped the real villain of the series.

@Missali
To each his/her own I guess.

@Faris
Do what you want because a pirate is free you are a pirate.

http://piracyrules.ytmnd.com/

Crusader added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 5:46 pm

actually, i have a sneaky suspicion that poor Sheryl might kick the bucked dramatically in the last ep, and in an epilogue Alto would be shown having shacked up with Double-K and produced very large babies! blue-haired people unite!

LurkerJay added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 6:08 pm

I don’t think this episode definitively resolves anything so much as it explores the feelings between Sheryl and Alto.

For Alto’s part, the prospect of losing Sheryl hurt him deeply. To make things even more difficult, Sheryl refuses to simply stay at home and let him take care of her; the closest that she’ll let him get is to cheer her on from the sidelines.

Sheryl has resigned herself to her demise. From episode eighteen onward, she has tried to detach herself from Alto, because she doesn’t want to hurt him. At the same time, however, she still has feelings for him. That struggle was expressed in terms of her initial hesitation to return Alto’s hug; although she wanted to walk her path alone, she finds comfort in opening herself up to Alto and placing her trust in him.

While both characters have strong feelings for each other, at this point, they aren’t clearly defined. While this was never the focus of the interactions between Sheryl and Alto (in contrast with Ranka’s relationship with Alto, wherein the focal point of the relationship was the confession), this will need to be addressed for both pairings in order for the triangle to be resolved.

Although Sheryl has made a big step forward by showing that she’s willing to depend on Alto, she’s still keeping her distance, somewhat. She’s still in a position where she could very easily try to push Alto away, if she feels that she’s dragging him down. On Alto’s end, he needs to decide whether he’s willing to stay by her side as “just a friend”, as she set him up to be, or if he wants something more. How these issues are resolved will dictate the direction of their relationship.

Ozma may not be aware of Alto’s situation, but plot-wise, he serves to illustrate Alto’s dilemma to the viewers. There are two girls, both of whom are walking down their separate paths, and both of whom he cares about in his own way. While he may feel powerless to help either, he needs to step up his game if he wants to make a difference in both of their lives. The resolution of the triangle can come after that.

Swampstorm added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 6:31 pm

@LukerJay
They would make beautiful children together. ;)
@Swampstorm
Well according toe hte spoilers Alto-hme will be cooking for a sick Sheryl so I think that this is the point of no return for the triangle. In order for Alto-hime to go back to Ranka he would:
1. Go with the flow that when Ozma mentioned Ranka
2. break his promise to Sheryl
3. basically leave Sheryl when she is dying and bravely trying to sing for the fleet, a role that was supposed to be Ranka’s
4. play nice with the bugs and forget that Mikhail was gutted by them before his very eyes.

Given these circumstances and how late it is for the series if Alto leaves Sheryl now he’s going to be the biggest prick to ever star in a Macross series. Hating Vajra was more important than keeping Ranka, and staying with Sheryl was more important than flying for the first time in the series. Its not so much that Alto-hime has not made a decision but that he has to voice it and decide exactly how he is going to help Sheryl. Alto did perceive Ranka’s flight with Brera as a betrayal, he’s still mad about it and resolved to kill more bugs instead of make nice with them like Ranka wanted. They made a big step in showing how scared and vulnerable they were to one another, Sheryl will let Alto be there for her in the next episode if the spoilers aren’t false.

I think that Ozma’s remark that Alto had improved takes on two dimensions one hime is a better pilot now and he didn’t go with the flow when he could have been racing after Ranka when she left and with SMS now that they are not taking orders. I think that while Alto-hime has made a decision to stay that just sitting there and watching Sheryl dies isn’t the bes hime can do. The problem with letting the triangle drag on at this point is that it will suck up time better used to resolve the remaining plot threads.

Crusader added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 7:28 pm

Crusader: What could they have done at this point? They would’ve likely met the same fate Grace nearly suffered, had they stayed, and nobody would’ve been able to stop Leon afterwards. They did not disobey any orders - as they had not been issued any except at the end, when Luca asked them to stand down and return because they had not been ordered to sortie. That was why Bilrer gave Captain Wilder a heads-up; so they could be prepared ahead of time to leave. Wilder gave everyone some data, and then let them make a decision, whereas Leon and company give everyone false data and then apparently try to kill anyone who doesn’t agree to go along.

Plus, since you’re in the Army, you remember basic training? Heard about how they handle sharpshooter training, perhaps? There WAS no way to shoot to disable, not at those speeds, and SMS certainly wasn’t trained to do so - you train to shoot at the center of mass, because shooting to disable usually means shooting to miss… or shooting bystanders by accident, or killing the subject of the shooting ANYWAYS due to shock and trauma. They were ready to engage, but didn’t attack until after fired upon by Luca, the latter’s comments indicating he was prepared to kill the SMS crew if they did not return to Frontier. You don’t fire missiles to disable a target - they’re meant solely to kill things, or render them combat-ineffective; at that point, SMS had only one response given their training and the lack of quarter given them by the 4th Squadron.

So how do you provide proof when the enemy controls the media more thoroughly than any modern American president can hope for and in a way that makes Soviet presidents green with envy? About the only thing they could do at this stage was to leave, and when fired upon with lethal intent had to return fire. I suspect if the SMS was really serious about killing people versus just delaying pursuit, the Fourth Squadron would’ve been shown with more casualties; Kawamori hasn’t shown any reluctance to show fighters blowing up onscreen… and we didn’t see that this time.

And how would they have been able to defend Frontier if they were all dead? At this stage, their deaths were all but inevitable given Leon knew that someone had information on what he’d done… and if he’d let them live, Grace might’ve used them against him in some manner. As for Alto, he’ll have to discover a new reason to fly… and that should take up a few minutes of the next episode, since all his previous excuses have been jettisoned out the airlock. Either he’s going to be going out there to kill Vajra, which should get Brera shooting at him to Ranka’s horrified disbelief… or he’ll find out he either flies because he wants to, or quits running away from his family.

Grace’ll find a way to scar Ranka, you can be sure of it - maybe she’ll use the ‘nice but evil’ technique that she finished off Sheryl with in 18.

Haesslich added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 8:13 pm

Hello Crusader, I love how you make this reviews. Really make my day. :D

Just got two questions:

Where did you got that Alto was going to ran away to look for Ranka? I will also call him the greatest asshole in Macross History if he does that.

Second, think Richard or maybe Luka could give the YF-24 to Alto? At least he will have a better chance against a VF-25 or 27 than with a VF171.

Czarina added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 8:22 pm

@Haesslich
I understand their dilemma but now that they are out in the open drawing fire from NUNS grunts they better make it quick or more people are going to die as time drags on. I don’t entirely agree with mutiny as a means to an end because what it leads to is one coup after another. They can off Leon if they wanted to but that isn’t the point. They need to not only kill Leon they have to expose Leon. NUNS is in a bad place there are proably a few units that are loayl to Leon, but there are probably many more of the Rank and File who just want to protect the fleet and kill Vajra.

SMS isn’t completely in the right here what they did might have been neccessary but if they fail then they would only make Frontier lose more resources as Leon squanders them in pursuit. They didn’t bother to explain themselves clearly after they left dock to either Alto-hime or Luca. Right now SMS has set themselves in a position against Leon in a manner where a bunch of NUNS grunts and possibly a few civilians will die in the cross fire. I am not saying it was a bad decision, however it was a decision that can have weighty consequences should they fail. Ozma’s demeanor in the fight wasn’t reassuring that they are treating this as seriously as they should, they may be mercenaries, but there are consequences when you start firing off rounds without any real justification. Not once did they state that Leon was a traitor or Glass’s assassin. Right now since they have only confessed to being pirates they have set themselves up as traitors who robbed the fleet of much needed muscle in an uncertain time.

My concern is that this civil war they are fighting might end up critically weakening Frontier with Galaxy still out and about along with Grace. they made a decision, now I just worry that if it really was the right one to enter a shooting war with much of NUNS and Frontier in the crossfire as they deal with Leon. It’d be fine and dandy if Grace just offs Leon for his insolence making SMS and their efforts moot. Hopefully Bilrer will make sure that casualties will be light. I don’t trust a plan penned by the man-child Ozma, but I’d be more comfortable if Bilrer was the one making things happen and making sure things are under control.

In any case this plan of their had better work there’s just too much at stake for this to be a heat of the moment thing.

Grace will have much fun with Ranka…

@Czarina
Alto-hime did not go after Ranka not yet, and hopefully not ever given how leaving Sheryl high and dry at this point is going to be a dick move on his part.

Hopefully this Leon thing will blow over and Alto can get his VF-25 back.

Crusader added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 8:33 pm

First off I’ve gotta say that hubby-sama rocks and streaming this from his comp to the 360 so we could watch it on the 42 inch plasma kicked all kinds of ass! Definitely was nice to watch it from the couch and made reading those subtitles really easy!

Secondly, I don’t understand why Ranka-tards think just because we’ve been told Sheryl’s condition is terminal, that means its going to end up a Ranka/Alto pairing.

If he loves Sheryl and she dies, then it’ll end with Sheryl dead, Alto upset and Ranka on her own. He won’t just run into Ranka’s arms because Sheryl died, hime has more integrity than that, Miyo-sama raised him to be a good man!

He doesn’t stay with her and tell her he’ll be with her to the end out of pity, he says it because he CARES!

As for Ozma, if he KNEW Sheryl was dying and still said those words to Alto, then I’d be willing to call him an insensitive prick, but since he doesn’t I won’t.

Is Ozma even aware that Alto even has a relationship with Sheryl? From his point of view he’s probably only seen him around Ranka. In which case I can understand why Ozma is like what the hell are you doing? Figure out what you want and protect it.

Or maybe Ozma does indeed understand what is going on and his whole point was, what the hell are you doing out here when you should be down there with her! Since your wings are useless to the woman you want to protect get the hell out of here!

But I think not knowing what is going on with hime his speech was all about him trying to open up Alto’s eyes to the situation at hand. To quote Kakashi-sensei “see underneath the underneath”

I certainly don’t think he meant the speech to be taken in a douchebag kind of way considering he seems happy that Alto has improved.

I agree that does say a lot about Ozma’s leading style in that he should have more of an idea of what’s going on with his pilots. But I can also understand him not being up to date on the latest goings on in Alto’s life considering he’s been worried about his and Cathy’s neck for the last few eps.
I’m sure trying to stay under Leon’s radar was probably higher up on his priority list than Hime’s love life.

As for the not seeming to care about Mikhail, back in the 2nd episode they pretty much covered his attitude towards that with Gillams death. Mikhail died a heroes death and that’s good enough for them.

As for all the hate on SMS, yes after having been ranted about it by Hubby-sama I can see his point its kind of douchey to take the Quarter and leave all the citizens unprotected.

Also everyone assumes they are leaving to make nicey nice with the Varja. Maybe they are leaving to find Ranka and talk her into helping them exterminate the Varja!

None of know what exactly she said in her letter, none of us really know what went down 11 years previously. What they do know is that Leon killed the President to gain power and is somehow involved with all the destruction that has befallen the poor Frontier of late.

Given how little time the Frontier has, they probably can’t afford to sit and act like they don’t know whats going on with Leon until his plans reveal themselves.

I’m sure finding Ranka and maybe getting her help to defeat the Varja seems like a much quicker solution. That is if they find her quickly, I’m wondering just how do they know where to begin searching for her?

D.J added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 8:53 pm

@D.J
For hime to go after Ranka, he would have to be a douche, and I don’t want my Alto-hime to be such a lout that would make Miyo-sama cry in heaven.

If Quarter were going off to find Ranka while the Fleet starves, I think that given how they are trying to lure out Leon and the forces loyal to him that Quarter is out to find out who their enemies are. Going after Ranka makes no sense they have no idea where to look and if they did it would be a dick move on their part. I hope Bilrer is the one doing the strategic planning since Ozma isn’t up to snuff.

They mad a very dangerous decision and more innocent people will die if they can;t make it work. Failure means weakening Frontier fatally.

Crusader added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 9:08 pm

dude… did alto change sheryls clothes when she fainted? =)

tofu added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 9:27 pm

@tofu
Well…Oh that shy dog…

It’s not like he hasn’t seen hopes and dreams before, so maybe Sheryl won’t be mad…

Crusader added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 9:33 pm

Crusader: Ozma’s a grunt - he’s not the one doing planning. Captain Wilder and Mr. Bilrer, on the other hand… well, they’re the ones running things, and Ozma runs the fighter wing since he’s a pilot and nothing more. He’s definitely no Max Jenius, capable of fleet as well as squad command.

At this point, there aren’t many options - Frontier’s dead if Leon’s allowed to go on as El Presidente, as he doesn’t give a shit about the fate of the fleet or the millions he’s responsible for; all he wants is the galaxy under his control as Military Overlord. That’s why he allowed the attacks to take place in the first place, why he moved to contain information, why he had President Howard Glass assassinated, and why he conspired with Grace who certainly doesn’t have the best interests of anyone but her cartel in mind. SMS staying around and dying won’t do the Frontier much good either; everyone suffers once they’re gone since nobody’s alive to stop Leon and dead people can’t fight the enemy, whereas having the Quarter flee the fleet at least meant that Leon had to decide between chasing after SMS and getting himself blown up or letting them go alone while he doesn’t have to worry about fighting at home as it were. If they’d stuck around to battle Leon’s lackeys, that would’ve reduced the NUNS available pool of pilots and machines even more. Plus, the NUNS has those new missiles which means that they’re capable of fighting the Vajra without the SMS or the Macross Quarter around, especially with Battle 25 now in action.

Either way, people are going to get killed in this, whether they be killed by Leon or the Vajra. At least by running, the SMS privateers have allowed for the possibility that they’ll be able to rescue any survivors or return to fight the Vajra, whereas they’d be unable to do so after being executed by Leon for knowing too much. And given how he tried to off Grace BEFORE the Vajra were dead, you can bet he’s stupid enough to waste his forces fighting for scraps of power instead of defeating the real enemy. Or before he even has a way to control them, since Sheryl’s a property with a fast-approaching expiration date.

Haesslich added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 9:38 pm

I’m starting to think the final battle will have Cathy telling Ozma to take the shot on Leon that will avenge Howard. Wouldn’t it be super-sneaky of Cathy if her email had instructed Alto, Klan Klein, and Luca to remain behind as sleeper agents? The Ozma speech suggests otherwise, but I think it’d be pretty cool if this was the case.

The painting of Ranka as some uber-angel was hilarious, as was Alto telling Luca that Nanase would be in the coma so long that by the time she woke up the Vajra would be defeated.

Kabitzin added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 9:46 pm

@Haesslich
If Leon lets them go on their merry way then it will be fine, but I suspect that Leon will want to get rid off all his enemies. I can’t see Leon just letting them off like that no doubt a couple of NUNS grunts will have to die in the process unless Bilrer moves quickly or Grace just offs Leon. Persoanlly I am hoping Grace kills Leon in her VF-27. That way at least we can get Alto-hime back in his VF-25 where hime belongs.Hopefully if quarter plays it right then Leon will be gone sooner rather than later.

I agree that there weren’t many options and it maybe one of the better options but it still is a dangerous game they are playing. I don’t think Quarter can go at it alone against the bugs or Grace alone, they will need Battle 25 intact if they want to save Frontier.

Here’s hoping that Leon will be dead soon.

@Kabitzin
Leon is not final boss material, Grace is…

Nanase will probably not be back in time to be of much help that or she wakes up to redeem Luca. Not sure how I feel about the painting though…other than wut?

Crusader added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 9:55 pm

So my hunch is right. Alto will be going to Sheryl after knowing her sickness, his emotions will be swayed d/t what happened to his mom resulting to a neglection of Ranka. Atleast Ranka gave up on him, even if abruptly, but is Alto really planning to let Ranka go like that? That’s the question. Personally, I see him going back to Ranka later on with how Ozma confronted him. Alto is really just flowing along. Be it with the current situation, be it his own emotions. He’s just flowing along, which explains why Ozma’s words got to him so bad.

Once Ranka hits a dead end, Alto will come running back to her. I have a strong hunch. It’s such cliche scenario, but I love it so. =P

ricaryx added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 9:59 pm

@ricaryx
If Alto-hime leaves now then he will be flowing along with the BS Ozma told hime. After making that big of a promise to Sheryl the only way for Ranka to get Alto-hime is if hime turns into a grade A-jerk…

Going with the flow would have meant going after Ranka right then and there it didn’t happen then it probably won’t happen now that Leon and Grace are on the move

Crusader added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 10:11 pm

I’ve turned from hoping that Ranka and Alto-hime will get together to Sheryl and Alto-hime… I think that there is no amount of people that could have been sent after Grace to try and stop her… I mean she bloodly well set off a boom and escaped…

Sovereignty added these pithy words on Sep 07 08 at 10:12 pm

crusader@
Alto doesn’t have to let go of Sheryl. I see Sheryl herself letting Alto go later on.

Going after Ranka is moving away from the flow. It’s the harder way out. Being labeled a traitor by Frontier just to go after one girl? Totally out of the flow. Sheryl was