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		<title>By: S.K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal favourite Gundam series, precisely for the reasons discussed here and now I have a foil to silence those who argue &quot;doesn&#039;t that show have giant mecha?&quot; whenever I try to explain the realism depicted therein. Verisimilitude...ah hah!

Anyway another Gundam series I feel holds to the real robot ideals rather well is 0080:War in the Pocket. This is not least because of the distressingly realistic response of the child protagonist to the war &quot;Explosions! Cool! No school for me tomorrow, YAY!&quot;
I&#039;ll admit that there are certain geriatric tropes present such as a Gundam that keeps standing no matter how much gets thrown at it (with a wince inducing revelation of the standard ridiculous Gundam colour scheme) and a love across divides that Shakespeare first thought up but there are still a great number of pros to this title. The Gundam is standing and not responding to its attacker because the projectile weaponry it uses, while not albe to pierce its prototype armor still panics the inexperienced (but well trained) pilot within. In an earlier attack a soldier is killed by overwatch fire when breaking cover against the orders of his superior while attempting to secure an objective. This the tragic end to an otherwise flawless team based attack on an enemy installation; each unit securing sub-objectives and covering their teammates when possible.
Each of the Mobile suits has the cumbersome movement and feeling of weight (even in weightless space) that I feel is key to suspension of disbelief in a mecha series. 
I can only finish up with a depiction of how depressingly realistic the final death of one of the characters is revealed to be. Their sacrifice, doubtlessly tragic, is even later revealed to have been ultimately pointless, the romance ending in a tragic, unromantic and hard-hittingly realistic manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal favourite Gundam series, precisely for the reasons discussed here and now I have a foil to silence those who argue &#8220;doesn&#8217;t that show have giant mecha?&#8221; whenever I try to explain the realism depicted therein. Verisimilitude&#8230;ah hah!</p>
<p>Anyway another Gundam series I feel holds to the real robot ideals rather well is 0080:War in the Pocket. This is not least because of the distressingly realistic response of the child protagonist to the war &#8220;Explosions! Cool! No school for me tomorrow, YAY!&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;ll admit that there are certain geriatric tropes present such as a Gundam that keeps standing no matter how much gets thrown at it (with a wince inducing revelation of the standard ridiculous Gundam colour scheme) and a love across divides that Shakespeare first thought up but there are still a great number of pros to this title. The Gundam is standing and not responding to its attacker because the projectile weaponry it uses, while not albe to pierce its prototype armor still panics the inexperienced (but well trained) pilot within. In an earlier attack a soldier is killed by overwatch fire when breaking cover against the orders of his superior while attempting to secure an objective. This the tragic end to an otherwise flawless team based attack on an enemy installation; each unit securing sub-objectives and covering their teammates when possible.<br />
Each of the Mobile suits has the cumbersome movement and feeling of weight (even in weightless space) that I feel is key to suspension of disbelief in a mecha series.<br />
I can only finish up with a depiction of how depressingly realistic the final death of one of the characters is revealed to be. Their sacrifice, doubtlessly tragic, is even later revealed to have been ultimately pointless, the romance ending in a tragic, unromantic and hard-hittingly realistic manner.</p>
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		<title>By: A.r.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.r.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, 08th is alright. Shame what the second director did to it though. IMHO he turned it into little more than a Disney movie with giant robots, complete with Pwetty Pwincess Aina. Though Ghinius is still probably my favorite fictional character of all time. And even though I immensely dislike Aina from episode 7 on, I still made a custom doll of her (along with Ghinius and Shiro) and try to refrain from bashing her in my fanfiction. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, 08th is alright. Shame what the second director did to it though. IMHO he turned it into little more than a Disney movie with giant robots, complete with Pwetty Pwincess Aina. Though Ghinius is still probably my favorite fictional character of all time. And even though I immensely dislike Aina from episode 7 on, I still made a custom doll of her (along with Ghinius and Shiro) and try to refrain from bashing her in my fanfiction. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say with that giggle at the end that she&#039;s more like Belldandy and Hild meet the Lord of Terror in one body.  Such delight in carnage...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say with that giggle at the end that she&#8217;s more like Belldandy and Hild meet the Lord of Terror in one body.  Such delight in carnage&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: d3v</title>
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		<dc:creator>d3v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Crusader
Well you have to consider that when I got those tapes, VHS was literally the only way to watch the 08th.

@Haesslich
I believe someone mentioned hat GRace was like having Belldandy and Urd in one single person. Although personally, I think she&#039;s more like a combination Belldandy and Hilde.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Crusader<br />
Well you have to consider that when I got those tapes, VHS was literally the only way to watch the 08th.</p>
<p>@Haesslich<br />
I believe someone mentioned hat GRace was like having Belldandy and Urd in one single person. Although personally, I think she&#8217;s more like a combination Belldandy and Hilde.</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Copy that just call and we&#039;ll bring the thunder, now how many shots of Grace and I fit in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copy that just call and we&#8217;ll bring the thunder, now how many shots of Grace and I fit in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no LZ: Grace just went to town here, and Alto&#039;s coming in with missiles to finish off whatever&#039;s left with his &#039;emo teenager scream&#039; at full throttle.  And Luca definitely has made his decision; anyone who goes against Leon must die.  Which may include Alto, should Sheryl decide that the &#039;traitor to humanity&#039; is correct.  But at this point, it looks like Ranka&#039;s career is shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no LZ: Grace just went to town here, and Alto&#8217;s coming in with missiles to finish off whatever&#8217;s left with his &#8216;emo teenager scream&#8217; at full throttle.  And Luca definitely has made his decision; anyone who goes against Leon must die.  Which may include Alto, should Sheryl decide that the &#8216;traitor to humanity&#8217; is correct.  But at this point, it looks like Ranka&#8217;s career is shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it has been subbed and how! What kind of man would pass up the chance to hang around one of the Greatest Meltrans of all Time?

Yeah you win the time line thing no need to rub it in... :P

Macross Frontier 22 Post inbound ETA 2 hours from now...so tell me comrade is the LZ hot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it has been subbed and how! What kind of man would pass up the chance to hang around one of the Greatest Meltrans of all Time?</p>
<p>Yeah you win the time line thing no need to rub it in&#8230; <img src='http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Macross Frontier 22 Post inbound ETA 2 hours from now&#8230;so tell me comrade is the LZ hot?</p>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ep 22&#039;s been subbed. Looks like Alto and Klein hang out together a lot more now... but then again, with Mikhail gone, she has to be the one to (gently) beat sense into his head.  Or he likes to hang around nee-san types.

By the way, my timeline?  Luca just confirmed the dates of infection... which puts it a year out from when the 117th Research Fleet got destroyed.  In other words, Grace DID find Sheryl after Mao and company apparently got killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ep 22&#8217;s been subbed. Looks like Alto and Klein hang out together a lot more now&#8230; but then again, with Mikhail gone, she has to be the one to (gently) beat sense into his head.  Or he likes to hang around nee-san types.</p>
<p>By the way, my timeline?  Luca just confirmed the dates of infection&#8230; which puts it a year out from when the 117th Research Fleet got destroyed.  In other words, Grace DID find Sheryl after Mao and company apparently got killed.</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tenryu
No better use has yet been found for the beam saber after all these years...

@Haesslich
Not over emphasis on technological aspect per-se but it is one of the more stronger elements that differentiates the two, voice commands a la G-Gundam are much more super robot than real robot. 

Still since Aina was my first Kikuko Inoue role Aina is special for me. Grace is probably going to be more remembered than Cecile as the best Kikoku Inoue voiced character simply because it was an inspired choice by Kawamori and his team. I wonder who else the considered for the role of Grace. Nevertheless I think we can all agree that Kawamori made the right choice and Kikuko Inoue is having a ball being the dead smexy evil cylon that is Grace.

@d3v
You sir are hard core man. I was never that hard core to use VHS for fan subs or buy anime that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tenryu<br />
No better use has yet been found for the beam saber after all these years&#8230;</p>
<p>@Haesslich<br />
Not over emphasis on technological aspect per-se but it is one of the more stronger elements that differentiates the two, voice commands a la G-Gundam are much more super robot than real robot. </p>
<p>Still since Aina was my first Kikuko Inoue role Aina is special for me. Grace is probably going to be more remembered than Cecile as the best Kikoku Inoue voiced character simply because it was an inspired choice by Kawamori and his team. I wonder who else the considered for the role of Grace. Nevertheless I think we can all agree that Kawamori made the right choice and Kikuko Inoue is having a ball being the dead smexy evil cylon that is Grace.</p>
<p>@d3v<br />
You sir are hard core man. I was never that hard core to use VHS for fan subs or buy anime that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>d3v:  We already mentioned it, or at least I did elsewhere, indicating this has got to be one of her meatier roles after years of the Belldandy Voice.  Evil, plotting, vampish at times, while still able to go gentle... and being able to trash Sheryl&#039;s ego using her gentle-evil voice (Ep 18).

She&#039;s like the hottest Cylon ever, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>d3v:  We already mentioned it, or at least I did elsewhere, indicating this has got to be one of her meatier roles after years of the Belldandy Voice.  Evil, plotting, vampish at times, while still able to go gentle&#8230; and being able to trash Sheryl&#8217;s ego using her gentle-evil voice (Ep 18).</p>
<p>She&#8217;s like the hottest Cylon ever, really.</p>
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		<title>By: d3v</title>
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		<dc:creator>d3v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Haesslich
If you want a character who is as close to a &quot;best of Kikuko Inoue compilation&quot;, then look no further than Grace from Macross Frontier. She can seem downright sweet and thoughtful at times, but is also quite cunning and devious (and not to mention sexy).

As for Aina, well you can&#039;t go wrong with what for all intents and purposes is Belldandy in a Mobile Armor (with matching flight suit).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Haesslich<br />
If you want a character who is as close to a &#8220;best of Kikuko Inoue compilation&#8221;, then look no further than Grace from Macross Frontier. She can seem downright sweet and thoughtful at times, but is also quite cunning and devious (and not to mention sexy).</p>
<p>As for Aina, well you can&#8217;t go wrong with what for all intents and purposes is Belldandy in a Mobile Armor (with matching flight suit).</p>
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		<title>By: d3v</title>
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		<dc:creator>d3v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, 08th Ms Team is my favorite Gundam series of all time - I actually collected it in fansubbed VHS tapes (back in the day before we were able to get everything from &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a series of tubes&lt;/a&gt;).

Personally, I consider Shiro to be one of the better Gundam pilots simply because he doesn&#039;t rely on sheer hot-bloodedness and GAR to win and actually uses his head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, 08th Ms Team is my favorite Gundam series of all time &#8211; I actually collected it in fansubbed VHS tapes (back in the day before we were able to get everything from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet" rel="nofollow">a series of tubes</a>).</p>
<p>Personally, I consider Shiro to be one of the better Gundam pilots simply because he doesn&#8217;t rely on sheer hot-bloodedness and GAR to win and actually uses his head.</p>
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		<title>By: bearzerger</title>
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		<dc:creator>bearzerger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SnakeEatSnake
Haesslich mentioned another one which might be on a similar level as 8th MS: Starship Troopers. I&#039;ve seen the six episodes Yoroshiku has released and it&#039;s definitely in the right genre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SnakeEatSnake<br />
Haesslich mentioned another one which might be on a similar level as 8th MS: Starship Troopers. I&#8217;ve seen the six episodes Yoroshiku has released and it&#8217;s definitely in the right genre.</p>
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		<title>By: random hero</title>
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		<dc:creator>random hero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i never said it was better than patlabor, i was just recommneding a series, besides, barring the flashbacks the giant demon thing only ran around once and even then it only scored a body count of 2 TA&#039;s, as well as demonstrating why swords aren&#039;t much use against guns</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i never said it was better than patlabor, i was just recommneding a series, besides, barring the flashbacks the giant demon thing only ran around once and even then it only scored a body count of 2 TA&#8217;s, as well as demonstrating why swords aren&#8217;t much use against guns</p>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;random hero:  One real robot series i can recommend is gasaraki, admittedly there is a bit of mysiticism in it but the robots in the show are very realistically portrayed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You mean, &#039;realistically portrayed right up until the point that the large demons start running around towards the end of the show&#039;.  Patlabor&#039;s more realistic than this in its portrayal of large mecha.

Crusader:  The point of real robot isn&#039;t necessarily the mechanics, just as it wasn&#039;t for &#039;hard&#039; sci-fi, so much as a believable handwave behind the technology and a focus on the people who used it rather than the technology itself.  It&#039;s basically the difference between, say, Starship Troopers and GaiGaoGar perhaps.  Or between Patlabor and Gurren Lagann.

As for Kikuko Inoue, look for clips from MGS3 on  YouTube which involve &quot;The Boss&quot;, who she played.  Better than Aina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>random hero:  One real robot series i can recommend is gasaraki, admittedly there is a bit of mysiticism in it but the robots in the show are very realistically portrayed.</p></blockquote>
<p>You mean, &#8216;realistically portrayed right up until the point that the large demons start running around towards the end of the show&#8217;.  Patlabor&#8217;s more realistic than this in its portrayal of large mecha.</p>
<p>Crusader:  The point of real robot isn&#8217;t necessarily the mechanics, just as it wasn&#8217;t for &#8216;hard&#8217; sci-fi, so much as a believable handwave behind the technology and a focus on the people who used it rather than the technology itself.  It&#8217;s basically the difference between, say, Starship Troopers and GaiGaoGar perhaps.  Or between Patlabor and Gurren Lagann.</p>
<p>As for Kikuko Inoue, look for clips from MGS3 on  YouTube which involve &#8220;The Boss&#8221;, who she played.  Better than Aina.</p>
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