Comments on: Macross Frontier 20: Vajra won’t listen to your song… http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/ THAT blog of various wonders! Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:30:39 +0800 hourly 1 By: Kevin http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-3/#comment-273378 Kevin Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:51:29 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-273378 I still understand how she was feeling at the time. Everyone keeps saying things about her being a “kid” but I think that it’s not a factor about being a kid. It’s her first love - so to say. First loves are always the hardest to deal with if you should find yourself heartbroken. And I definitely felt bad for Ranka witnessing the Alto with Sheryl. Who would not only feel down, but embarrassed just as you were going to confess. But hands down my emotion was there for Klan. I still understand how she was feeling at the time. Everyone keeps saying things about her being a “kid” but I think that it’s not a factor about being a kid. It’s her first love – so to say. First loves are always the hardest to deal with if you should find yourself heartbroken. And I definitely felt bad for Ranka witnessing the Alto with Sheryl. Who would not only feel down, but embarrassed just as you were going to confess. But hands down my emotion was there for Klan.

]]> By: ShadowCat http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-3/#comment-265117 ShadowCat Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:52:25 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-265117 @Zentari .WEll....I didn't see her smashing her had to the flor and hiting it with her hands screaming:mommy I wan't to play with Alto-(hime) kun...Did u?:)).Soooooooooooo she's not acting like a 12 year old. And I have never sad that she is mature.Immature people are inpredictable and great dreamers,that's the beauty of it. Don't worry, the 'spectators' have to hate Ranka at this point so we all go 'yeah!' when she'll save the world and probably do some sacrefices.These Tv anime-dramas...tsk tsk tsk. @Zentari .WEll….I didn’t see her smashing her had to the flor and hiting it with her hands screaming:mommy I wan’t to play with Alto-(hime) kun…Did u?:)).Soooooooooooo she’s not acting like a 12 year old.
And I have never sad that she is mature.Immature people are inpredictable and great dreamers,that’s the beauty of it.
Don’t worry, the ’spectators’ have to hate Ranka at this point so we all go ‘yeah!’ when she’ll save the world and probably do some sacrefices.These Tv anime-dramas…tsk tsk tsk.

]]> By: Halcyon http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-3/#comment-265033 Halcyon Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:22:14 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-265033 Poor Klan ;_; She finally gets Michel to answer her feelings and he winds up dying. At least he got a chance to let her know her love was reciprocated and he went down sacrificing himself for the one he loved. ;_; This episode was one of the best for Macross F. It had a little bit of everything. Drama, Romance, Epic Battles, Character Death, Nudity. I'm leaning towards Sheryl end, atm. Even if she has Aids she's the only one who seems to be a good match for Alto. She has the necessary toughness to put him in his place and make sure he has his priorities straight and she's a lot more straightforward when it comes to pursuing Alto than Ranka is. Poor Klan ;_;
She finally gets Michel to answer her feelings and he winds up dying. At least he got a chance to let her know her love was reciprocated and he went down sacrificing himself for the one he loved. ;_;

This episode was one of the best for Macross F. It had a little bit of everything. Drama, Romance, Epic Battles, Character Death, Nudity.

I’m leaning towards Sheryl end, atm. Even if she has Aids she’s the only one who seems to be a good match for Alto. She has the necessary toughness to put him in his place and make sure he has his priorities straight and she’s a lot more straightforward when it comes to pursuing Alto than Ranka is.

]]> By: Zentari http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-3/#comment-265030 Zentari Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:17:48 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-265030 @ShadowCat: I think however there IS a diffence on how a 12 year old acts in comparison to a 16 year old, no ? Besides even if that's not the case you STILL have proved my point (i.e. Ranka is immature). @ShadowCat: I think however there IS a diffence on how a 12 year old acts in comparison to a 16 year old, no ? Besides even if that’s not the case you STILL have proved my point (i.e. Ranka is immature).

]]> By: SweetHex http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-3/#comment-265010 SweetHex Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:57:42 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-265010 Alright, I'll admit that I am a fan of Ranka, she was the underdog for the most part and through the series she was progressing VERRRYYY slowly, but I was definitely disappointed with her in this episode. She gave me reason to side for Sheryl a bit. I'm still on Ranka's side, although with how the story is going I feel like you never know what will happen to either Ranka or Sheryl. Maybe they'll both die somehow... HOWEVER, I still understand how she was feeling at the time. Everyone keeps saying things about her being a "kid" but I think that it's not a factor about being a kid. It's her first love - so to say. First loves are always the hardest to deal with if you should find yourself heartbroken. And I definitely felt bad for Ranka witnessing the Alto with Sheryl. Who would not only feel down, but embarrassed just as you were going to confess. But hands down my emotion was there for Klan. Why do people wait for the last minute to tell the ones they love just how they feel. Poor Klan. Now she has to deal with the fact that Michel did love her. She's going to have to live with knowing they could have had a lifetime together. Damn Vajra! I watched the raw for episode 21 and I must say I'm dying to see what happens after plus wikipedia has small summaries. I'm trying to find some spoilers for 22 and 23. Ultimately everyone, I think the blame needs to be on Alto because he won't make up his damn mind. No matter what mistakes Sheryl or Ranka could make, Alto is the one who has to choose and I think he's the denses of all. At least they know they love him and show him. If he just wants to be friends with everyone - FRIGGIN LET THEM DOWN ALREADY! Alright, I’ll admit that I am a fan of Ranka, she was the underdog for the most part and through the series she was progressing VERRRYYY slowly, but I was definitely disappointed with her in this episode. She gave me reason to side for Sheryl a bit. I’m still on Ranka’s side, although with how the story is going I feel like you never know what will happen to either Ranka or Sheryl. Maybe they’ll both die somehow…

HOWEVER, I still understand how she was feeling at the time. Everyone keeps saying things about her being a “kid” but I think that it’s not a factor about being a kid. It’s her first love – so to say. First loves are always the hardest to deal with if you should find yourself heartbroken. And I definitely felt bad for Ranka witnessing the Alto with Sheryl. Who would not only feel down, but embarrassed just as you were going to confess. But hands down my emotion was there for Klan.

Why do people wait for the last minute to tell the ones they love just how they feel. Poor Klan. Now she has to deal with the fact that Michel did love her. She’s going to have to live with knowing they could have had a lifetime together. Damn Vajra!

I watched the raw for episode 21 and I must say I’m dying to see what happens after plus wikipedia has small summaries. I’m trying to find some spoilers for 22 and 23.

Ultimately everyone, I think the blame needs to be on Alto because he won’t make up his damn mind. No matter what mistakes Sheryl or Ranka could make, Alto is the one who has to choose and I think he’s the denses of all. At least they know they love him and show him. If he just wants to be friends with everyone – FRIGGIN LET THEM DOWN ALREADY!

]]> By: ShadowCat http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-3/#comment-264800 ShadowCat Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:51:13 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-264800 @Crusader I understand what you mean but sometimes people get in the stage when they just don't care because they became miserably, for an amount of time your reasoning and feelings stop. The heartbreak started 'it' but it's not the couse (there is much more here), so it can't be an excuse. You say that she didn't sacrefice much or anything for her love.Maby, maby not...but she did feel kind of defeated by Sheryl from the very begining.It's like you know that you should give everyting because that's what people say and even you believe that it's the right thing to do , but when the moment comes something inside you sceems:don't do it because if you loose (65% probalility) you won't be able to hadle it. I didn't say that my view is absolute , I sad that love is absolute .And what I wanted to say is that no mather how you object love can be selfish and still be love.Isn't my right to be happy , isn't my right to choose my destiny and isn't my right to do with my life what I want? Yes it is....God gave me the choise to suicide if I want, It's a terrible sin and I will pay an eternity for it ,but still ,if I want I can do it , this is my bussiness with God. Slight on one's parents? That's funny...my mom said the exact words (I wish you where never....) a lot when I was 16-18.If she has the right to say it than so do I.Of course that in the end when our brain begins to function normally again we always say: damn, that was extremly stupid from me. Cowardice?Not allways.There are cases when ending your life might be for the best of everybody (that's the person's coclusion):you are not strong enough, you screwed up a lot, you can't find the reason and the power to go on and people might get a better chance to have a good life without you(couse you are not there anymore to make things worst and hurt others).Ok, but this are extremes , and with God's will many of those who think this way find their way back to the road. So my dear, it's not necesarrily about heart break it's more about the fact that you realise that you could have done more and that you begin to see yourself as a complete failiure beacuse of your own stupidity, get it? And you can never get use to heartbreaks, you can get over it or not,that's all. >.> This was a very strange thing to say 'get use to it'....like this should and will happen all your life. @Zentari-So? 15-16 is the age when you let go of childhood.You're still a kid, add a dose of hormonal changes (the 2nd one of your life+you experience romance in a different way than those above 18) to it and you got the reccepy for a desaster. The center of resposibility and the center of fear (along with other things)fully develop at the age of 18 or over it.So you can't be considered an adult until then(even if you have experienced both of them:fear , responsibility ).Some countries put 3 more years to it (just to make shore),so you are legally adult at the age of 21 (when every center of your brain is 100%fully developed).That's why you are considered a kid until 18. Sleep time...XD @Crusader I understand what you mean but sometimes people get in the stage when they just don’t care because they became miserably, for an amount of time your reasoning and feelings stop.
The heartbreak started ‘it’ but it’s not the couse (there is much more here), so it can’t be an excuse.
You say that she didn’t sacrefice much or anything for her love.Maby, maby not…but she did feel kind of defeated by Sheryl from the very begining.It’s like you know that you should give everyting because that’s what people say and even you believe that it’s the right thing to do , but when the moment comes something inside you sceems:don’t do it because if you loose (65% probalility) you won’t be able to hadle it.
I didn’t say that my view is absolute , I sad that love is absolute .And what I wanted to say is that no mather how you object love can be selfish and still be love.Isn’t my right to be happy , isn’t my right to choose my destiny and isn’t my right to do with my life what I want? Yes it is….God gave me the choise to suicide if I want, It’s a terrible sin and I will pay an eternity for it ,but still ,if I want I can do it , this is my bussiness with God.
Slight on one’s parents? That’s funny…my mom said the exact words (I wish you where never….) a lot when I was 16-18.If she has the right to say it than so do I.Of course that in the end when our brain begins to function normally again we always say: damn, that was extremly stupid from me.
Cowardice?Not allways.There are cases when ending your life might be for the best of everybody (that’s the person’s coclusion):you are not strong enough, you screwed up a lot, you can’t find the reason and the power to go on and people might get a better chance to have a good life without you(couse you are not there anymore to make things worst and hurt others).Ok, but this are extremes , and with God’s will many of those who think this way find their way back to the road.
So my dear, it’s not necesarrily about heart break it’s more about the fact that you realise that you could have done more and that you begin to see yourself as a complete failiure beacuse of your own stupidity, get it?
And you can never get use to heartbreaks, you can get over it or not,that’s all.
>.> This was a very strange thing to say ‘get use to it’….like this should and will happen all your life.
@Zentari-So? 15-16 is the age when you let go of childhood.You’re still a kid, add a dose of hormonal changes (the 2nd one of your life+you experience romance in a different way than those above 18) to it and you got the reccepy for a desaster.
The center of resposibility and the center of fear (along with other things)fully develop at the age of 18 or over it.So you can’t be considered an adult until then(even if you have experienced both of them:fear , responsibility ).Some countries put 3 more years to it (just to make shore),so you are legally adult at the age of 21 (when every center of your brain is 100%fully developed).That’s why you are considered a kid until 18.
Sleep time…XD

]]> By: Zentari http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-3/#comment-264606 Zentari Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:56:16 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-264606 Does anyone have any idea when the subs will come out ? Does anyone have any idea when the subs will come out ?

]]> By: Crusader http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-3/#comment-264574 Crusader Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:20:27 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-264574 @Kate123 I have to second Haesslich here on this one, Ranka did not woman up so far as I could tell, she did finally confess but only after putting Alto-hime under duress. When hime hit the wall it was not "Alto-kun" that she cried out first... More over even with that Ranka ran away in the end with Brera and Ai-kun. Bringing Ai-kun and Alto-hime together was not that great of an idea. If Ranka expected Alto-hime to be so forgiving then Ranka was sadly mistaken and it again kind of showed how she misread hime again. @Nakki Done @Kate123
I have to second Haesslich here on this one, Ranka did not woman up so far as I could tell, she did finally confess but only after putting Alto-hime under duress. When hime hit the wall it was not “Alto-kun” that she cried out first…

More over even with that Ranka ran away in the end with Brera and Ai-kun. Bringing Ai-kun and Alto-hime together was not that great of an idea. If Ranka expected Alto-hime to be so forgiving then Ranka was sadly mistaken and it again kind of showed how she misread hime again.

@Nakki
Done

]]> By: LurkerJay http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-2/#comment-264572 LurkerJay Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:12:26 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-264572 gyaaaa! spoiler tags not work! must bee-tee the sub tonight! i wanna see Double-K pwnage! gyaaaa! spoiler tags not work! must bee-tee the sub tonight! i wanna see Double-K pwnage!

]]> By: Kate123 http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-2/#comment-264571 Kate123 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:58:47 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-264571 @Haesslich "How does ’she isn’t a child’ match up with “she didn’t seem to expect Alto NOT to shoot at Ai-kun because he’s a Vajra, and that he’d follow her to Vajra-land since she ‘knows him well enough’ to think that he’d do so’?" You'll be able to figure it out once you stop looking at Ranka from a wrong perspective. @Haesslich
“How does ’she isn’t a child’ match up with “she didn’t seem to expect Alto NOT to shoot at Ai-kun because he’s a Vajra, and that he’d follow her to Vajra-land since she ‘knows him well enough’ to think that he’d do so’?”

You’ll be able to figure it out once you stop looking at Ranka from a wrong perspective.

]]> By: Nakki http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-2/#comment-264566 Nakki Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:32:29 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-264566 @Crusader By the holy power of the mods, please delete the 11.30 P.M. message of mine. I also fail to use the spoiler tag... ;_; Truly sorry for anyone who read the spoilers... @Crusader

By the holy power of the mods, please delete the 11.30 P.M. message of mine. I also fail to use the spoiler tag… ;_; Truly sorry for anyone who read the spoilers…

]]> By: Haesslich http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-2/#comment-264564 Haesslich Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:08:50 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-264564 Kate123: How does 'she isn't a child' match up with "she didn't seem to expect Alto NOT to shoot at Ai-kun because he's a Vajra, and that he'd follow her to Vajra-land since she 'knows him well enough' to think that he'd do so'? She didn't consider the consequences of asking him along, or even his feelings on the matter. She just expected him to go along with her wishes.. and when he didn't, had Brera pull a knife on him and engaged in Plan B, which was to say she was leaving and that she liked him. She made progress of sorts, but I don't see that as being the act of a grown woman yet. The grown woman would at least have known him well enough to try to explain the situation BEFORE Ai-kun showed up and presented itself as a target. Ranka doesn't know Alto at all - she didn't think of his feelings, understand his position, or that he might not be the ideal man she created in her head without consulting anyone else on the matter. About the only thing that she did which involved any sort of progress was tell him (finally) that she had feelings for him, but 'goodbye, I'm going to the Vajra now'. Right after Mikhail died too. Yup, good way to snare his heart... not. Now he can't even force himself to LIE to keep you around, much less admit he likes you (if he does)... not in front of the knife-wielding Brera and 'attacked Alto on their first meeting' Ai-kun. Kate123: How does ’she isn’t a child’ match up with “she didn’t seem to expect Alto NOT to shoot at Ai-kun because he’s a Vajra, and that he’d follow her to Vajra-land since she ‘knows him well enough’ to think that he’d do so’? She didn’t consider the consequences of asking him along, or even his feelings on the matter. She just expected him to go along with her wishes.. and when he didn’t, had Brera pull a knife on him and engaged in Plan B, which was to say she was leaving and that she liked him.

She made progress of sorts, but I don’t see that as being the act of a grown woman yet. The grown woman would at least have known him well enough to try to explain the situation BEFORE Ai-kun showed up and presented itself as a target.

Ranka doesn’t know Alto at all – she didn’t think of his feelings, understand his position, or that he might not be the ideal man she created in her head without consulting anyone else on the matter. About the only thing that she did which involved any sort of progress was tell him (finally) that she had feelings for him, but ‘goodbye, I’m going to the Vajra now’.

Right after Mikhail died too. Yup, good way to snare his heart… not. Now he can’t even force himself to LIE to keep you around, much less admit he likes you (if he does)… not in front of the knife-wielding Brera and ‘attacked Alto on their first meeting’ Ai-kun.

]]> By: Kate123 http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-2/#comment-264562 Kate123 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:59:30 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-264562 Not a spoiler or anything but for Episode 21. This is the part where I go, "I told you so." :) That's all. Thanks. Not a spoiler or anything but for Episode 21. This is the part where I go, “I told you so.” :) That’s all. Thanks.

]]> By: Nakki http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-2/#comment-264561 Nakki Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:46:02 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-264561 Something's wrong here... In Macross F Official site... In Macross F Official Site (www.macrossf.com), Episode 22 is named True Begin(ing) which should be the title for 23?! Why is it not Northern Cross?! What the...? I was sure RAW Preview told me it is Northern Cross... ?_? As for Episode 23... After watching the raw, it feels too rushed... And While Ranka have some development there,i.e. finally have the guts to make decision by herself, this episode really proves that neither Alto or Ranka actually know each other well... I mean, how in the heck does she ask Alto to come with her to Vajra side? Haven't she seen how Alto shot down vajras before this? And did she not think about Michael at all?! I am torn for this episode about my feeling for Ranka... But we finally knew why Alto wanted to fly now... It's because of Miyo okaa-sama :) Ironically, we knew this from Ranka though... Also, Battle Frontier FTW! Hope the spoiler tag work... I don't wanna spoil anyone who haven't watched this... Something’s wrong here… In Macross F Official site…

In Macross F Official Site (www.macrossf.com), Episode 22 is named True Begin(ing) which should be the title for 23?! Why is it not Northern Cross?! What the…? I was sure RAW Preview told me it is Northern Cross… ?_?

As for Episode 23… After watching the raw, it feels too rushed… And

While Ranka have some development there,i.e. finally have the guts to make decision by herself, this episode really proves that neither Alto or Ranka actually know each other well… I mean, how in the heck does she ask Alto to come with her to Vajra side? Haven’t she seen how Alto shot down vajras before this? And did she not think about Michael at all?! I am torn for this episode about my feeling for Ranka…

But we finally knew why Alto wanted to fly now… It’s because of Miyo okaa-sama :) Ironically, we knew this from Ranka though…

Also, Battle Frontier FTW!

Hope the spoiler tag work… I don’t wanna spoil anyone who haven’t watched this…

]]> By: Crusader http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/08/24/macross-frontier-20-vajra-wont-listen-to-your-song/comment-page-2/#comment-264559 Crusader Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:21:29 +0000 http://that.animeblogger.net/?p=11046#comment-264559 @Haesslich It will be worse if the Vajra come back again and kill more people from Frontier. In Alto-hime's case it seems that hatred has trumped love and affection, much like how it is for most people. Well it was blue and all so I am thinking yes Klein not only made a necklace out of Mikhail's glasses but also used his super pack to make an Ex-Gear for Meltrans. Mecha Musume Klein was indeed glorious and awesome. @Haesslich
It will be worse if the Vajra come back again and kill more people from Frontier. In Alto-hime’s case it seems that hatred has trumped love and affection, much like how it is for most people.

Well it was blue and all so I am thinking yes Klein not only made a necklace out of Mikhail’s glasses but also used his super pack to make an Ex-Gear for Meltrans. Mecha Musume Klein was indeed glorious and awesome.

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