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1. jack August 17th, 2008 3:05 pm

   Lulu’s ass: accepted legal tender of the Holy Empire of Britannia for limmitted applications of trade and barter. Good for: Promotion to extralegal adminstrative position, 1. Nation-state, 1.

2. Kaeo August 17th, 2008 3:24 pm

   Well…Episode 19 certainly was a nice way to realign the main plotline for Lelouch, and, quite happily, showed Suzaku finally jumping off the deep end. Lets hope it results in a straight-jacket rather than the usual ‘LUL 35 million, I can take one more life…and another…and another…ect.’ But, I can be wrong. Perhaps Wakamoto-sama shall give him some happy pills and use him for some useless plotline, since I doubt normal britannia will take back the guy who slaughtered millions of people – majoritly honourary- / britannian people – unless Sunrise wants to preform another lulwut moment for the sake of their reputation as crack-filled script writers…Meh, I could be wrong. *cough*

   On another note; I wonder if Lelouch and Emperor Charles had similar ideas in mind for their ‘Grand Conquest’ of the world. Remarkably alike, for main-character generic evil/holy world-fixes, don’t you think? That, or Sunrise need to pay their writers more cash-in-hand than crack.

   Other than possible plot pops, OotBK seems to be heading straight for the sin bin, Normal!C.C. is still lost to us (I can hear the cries of her followers growing louder as I type), The Lord-of-Facial-Expression is hounding over his Ragnarok Connection [I wondered originally if that could be CGs version of broadband – I was sadly mistaken, Rolo is finally six-feet-under – thank god for that…Shame about his classical-music smoothed-over ending. I’d have liked to see him literally thrown off a cliff face, personally; But, a heart-attack will do…if you can call it that. Up for debate by medical specialists, no doubt.

   Now then, if fellow readers (and the author) don’t mind, I’m going to go ahead and dig myself a grave between Rolo and Calawain. ANYA FUTURE PLOT DEVELOPMENT / MOE FTW.

   -Kaeo

3. Halcyon August 17th, 2008 3:26 pm

   Calling it now, Charles is going to use the Ragnarok Connection to either reset the world to before the Warz started (Pre-Britannian Invasion of Japan: Happy end for all) or bring back all of the dead. One or the other.

   The entire /a/ board has been raging over Ougi’s decision to betray Zero, especially after his AWESOME leadership and decision making skills were on full display last episode.

   I found it weird how Lelouch could go from raging on the breaking point to completely lucid just by the act of Rolo’s self-sacrifice. This episode really pushed him into Suzaku territory (”I want to die, Let me die, wahhhhhhhhhhhhh”) but he pulled it together at the end. Weird how he spent most of the series plotting to use and discard Rolo but then feels some sort of sympathy for him at the end? Did he forget that Rolo killed Shirley?

   More questions need to be asked like: How did Schneizel know who Lelouch Geass’d? Where’d he get that list from?

   What’s going to happen with Orange-kun? He already knows Lelouch is Zero and his loyalty is to Lelouch, not the Black Knights.
   What about Laksharta? She didn’t even care to attend the “meeting”. She just wanted to look over what bastardizations Lloyd did to her Guren.

   This series is really starting to pick up speed now. I think all or most of the Korean Blog spoilers have been fulfilled/addressed by now.

   I’m really interested in seeing what Lelouch is going to do now that his back is up against the wall and he’s cornered with Britannia AND the Black Knights on his tail.

   I’m glad they’re finally addressing the issue of Anya’s Geass (or so it seems), next episode. They’ve really been flirting around her past history with Lelouch and they need to resolve it.

   With only 5/6 episodes left it’s going to be very, very interesting.

4. cj August 17th, 2008 3:33 pm

   Wow the episode was really good and I have a few things to say
   1st—- I almost fell for the sympathy they tried to give Rolo but at the end I was happy he was dead and I believe they handled his death very well not being killed by Lelouch but dying to save him believing his lie to the very end can’t say I’ll miss you but good job Rolo for saving Lelouch and allowing him to destroy the bastard of them all Charlie.

   2nd—- I have a feeling that Anya and Gino will defect because Lelouch needs more power to take on the emperor he can’t waltz in on his ship and keep shooting the inmortal bastard.

   3rd—- It’s sad really because th Ootbk are so easily manipulated first Lelouch manipulated them and now Shneizel (I hate him now I didn’t care about him but now I do) and really how retarded can they be first sure Shneizel will give Japan back and after a week of getting bored he’ll just take it back, by force if he has to I and what are they gonna do? Fight? Without Zero they’re dead, useless don’t know what else.

   4th—- Crusader would be more than happy to post around emo shot of Lelouch and say things like “that’s what you get for being an idiot” and I’m sure he’ll criticize this (if he gets the chance) and tell me “that’s not what I would say I would say this:” and he would tell me so you get the idea.

   5th—- This episode gave me the feeling that Lelouch is going to die in the end……. =C extremely sad face I don’t want him to die I want him to live and rule the world with a puppet of nunally by his side. (also although in Sunrise shows you’re right the person isn’t dead until you see the body I think Nunally is dead because bringing her back would kinda make the plot suckish I think it’s better to leave newly determined emo Lelouch battle it out with His father.

   6th—- I think Shneizel is now going to somehow get the black knights to fight his father? Cuz he’s baisically got them sucking his balls with his perfect IQ and the Ootbk’s IQ of -18 really how dumb can they be. Zero got them further away than they ever would’ve gotten without him they’d all still be hiding in mountains doing random acts of terrorism accomplishing nothing god Snap out of it it’s so frustrating.

   7th—- yes I’ve already stressed the order is stupid but I just want to make sure you understand….. They’re idiots

   8th—- @Calawain I also thought Nina would be having a table humping orgasm when she saw the bomb go off but I figured out that the reason she’s like that is because looking over the list of people killed she noticed that the dead list went like this:
   eleven=dead
   eleven=dead
   24,999,996 elevens=dead
   2 britanians dead (including the governor)
   Britanians have ended your eleven killing spree you mass britanian murderer
   Realizing she spilled britanian blood made her emo

   8th—- I want Shneizel dead

   9th—- Suzaku is crazy

   10th—- Other rounds are useless

   11th—- Lelouch should have some pie, it’s good for the soul.

5. lelangir August 17th, 2008 3:37 pm

   Orange-kun will have a super GAR manly tears death…and we shall cry.

6. Halcyon August 17th, 2008 3:48 pm

   What’s really going to be funny is when the United Federation of Nations realizes Ougi and the Black Knights have sold them out to get Japan back.

   INCOMING SHITSTORM!

   Ougi: “Give us Japan and we’ll stop yo”
   Kallen: “What about the rest of the world fighting against Britannia?”
   Ougi: “Oh? Them? Fuck ‘em! I got me a Brown Britannian and a Free Japan. I’m livin’ large!”

   Just saw the extended preview too. Lelouch is going to use his Geass on all the Penguins and make them his new army. With Orange-kun, Kallen and Penguin-kun Lelouch is going to decimate Britannia.

   Oh, with spears being chucked at Gino, is it too early to speculate on him and Anya possibly switching sides next episode?

7. d August 17th, 2008 3:58 pm

   i liked rolo’s ending and was always a bigger fan of him than shirley (who people need to STOP bringing up; rolo’s desire to kill nunnally was a much bigger deal (though unknown to L)). shirley should have died during the mao encounter and her presence in this series was MOSTLY FILLER. just look at the fan pairings. i have never seen a luluxshirley image but i digress.

   ultimately, rollo saved lelouch’s life and made him realize he had one last purpose to fulfill. that warrants a bit of sympathy on L’s part. of course his intention was always to use rollo, but is it not possible for him to develop some sort of appreciation when rollo sacrifices his own life for lelouch, DESPITE being told he was hated/not his real brother/being used etc.

   lelouch still isn’t entirely alone at this point. he still has jeremiah, who schneizel FALSELY inferred was under the effects of geass. however, i was always confused a bit by jeremiah’s loyalties. he’s… with lelouch because he’s marianne’s son? so is he loyal to the royal family or not? he hesitated to kill cornelia. and actually thanked suzaku in person this episode. i guess he’s not going to fight him unless lelouch commands him to. personally i don’t even remember when suzaku saved his life, it was sooo many episodes ago. -_-

   also, i really want CC to regain her memory somehow. her new character was interesting for like, two scenes. i am unclear as to what’s going on with her as well. no memory, no geass, no immortality? but lelouch doesn’t have her ‘code’?

   LASTLY, why are there so many gaps in the KoR? 12 (monica), 10 (luciano), 9 (nonette), 7 (suzy), 6 (anya), 3 (gino), 1 (bismarck).. there are just (randomly) openings for 11, 8, 5, 4, and 2?

8. Calawain August 17th, 2008 4:01 pm

   @Jack

   With Schniezel it’s good for nothing, he’ll just conquer them back again because they have inept leadership. Ougi is completely useless, see recent episodes and last season for evidence.

   @Kaeo

   Brittania is smart, they see that Suzaku is going off the deep end and they are going to give him a new mecha. Who knows what he’s going to do with us.

   Well to be honest the soft handling of Rolo’s death bodes for a softer ending of a lot more plot lines such as Suzaku and Lelouch. One or both may die, but if they can try and make a nutcase like Rolo sympathetic it’s likely they will do the same with the two primary characters.

   @Halcyon

   Yeah /a/ is also making a lot of really bad Jewish jokes in relation to Ougi too lol =/ I share in their rage though, as you probably picked up by my comments.

   Lelouch has displayed an amazing capability to become lucid when danger approaches or when it’s necessary. A recent example is Shirley’s death when he immediately recovered when Rolo came over. He just needs the right reason.

   Orange-kun is loyal to Lelouch, this will not change his alignment at all. He already knew everything he’s done including Euphie and the like. Lakshata I’m not too sure. In this episode she said she didn’t care about negotiations and instead wanted to play with the Guren, so when Kallen goes to Lelouch’s side she may just follow. She cares for science more than anything.

   @cj

   Anya I have thought was going to defect for a long time, made more believable by some of the side materials hints as well. Gino is possible too, as he’s very attached to Anya, reacted very negatively to the use of Freia, is rabu rabu for Kallen, and has arguments with other Brittanians. Certainly someone has to defect to his side because he can’t beat the Emperor by himself with only like Orange and Kallen.

   I hope Lelouch isn’t going to die in the end, and to be honest Sunrise doesn’t kill off their primary protagonists for the most part. Of course this show has done a lot of things differently, but has also done a lot of things the same.

   Nina is just trash now, a pathetic and naive character. She was amusing before, but no longer. Death now.

   @Lelangir

   Nein! Orange-kun must LIVE! He must carry on the pimpness.

   @Halycon

   Yeah I wonder how they UFN is going to take this, they don’t have the same emotional instability caused by their relations with Zero that the OotBK has. I doubt Xing Ke cares much who Zero really is, although the geass thing will probably be disturbing. Ougi is just a dumbass.

9. Calawain August 17th, 2008 4:07 pm

   @D

   I’ve seen Shirley fanart, but I somewhat agree that she should have died in the Mao arc and really didn’t need to be hanging around taking up valuable time for so long.

   Orange-kun is loyal to Marianne only because of what happened 8 years ago. He was on guard as a personal bodyguard to Marianne when she was killed and feels a deep, personal responsibility for her death and what happened to Lelouch and Nunally. So no, his loyalty does not lie with the Brittanian royal family, only with Marianne and her descendants.

   No, the Emperor took her code at the end of episode 15. Removing the code doesn’t kill them right away, but they lose their immortality and apparently, their memories. I hope she gets them back too, they haven’t fully explained all of the supernatural “truths” so there’s ways of getting it back.

   There is no requirements that there are 12 Rounds at any one time, that’s just how many slots there are. It’s rare to find someone of such caliber to be a Rounds, so the slots are only filled when someone qualified is available. Vacancies are caused by death and retirement one assumes.

10. d August 17th, 2008 4:15 pm

    @calawain

    haha. maybe all it takes is a kiss from LL to restore her memory. it worked at the beginning of R2; that’s all CC needed to cancel charles’s geass which i thought was kind of cliche.

    and i dunno. i guess i just thought that when a knight died, the rest were promoted. remember way back when suzaku wanted to be knight of one? there has to be some means to work your way up.. if wikipedia means anything, there’s a bit of hype when it comes to nonette’s character, you’d think she’d rank higher. i am guessing (non)ette (ennea)gram permanently and deliberately occupies the knight of nine position since she has such an appropriate name. *eyeroll*

11. cj August 17th, 2008 4:23 pm

    You know Nina thing is just stupid really you think the person who made the bomb would know how destructive it was.
    Random scientist: “are you sure this is safe to shoot within the city limits it seems to be very destructive and could take civilian lives if attached to the Lancelot”
    Nina: “what are you talking about it’s pink it couldn’t hurt a flie just Zero”
    ….

    Anywhoo
    @Halcyon Silly boy the penguins aren’t for Lelouch Ragnarok is actually a machine that allows the control of all the world’s penguins. With an army of flightless birds he will rule 3/4 of the world (water) and Shneizel will finally take over Australia.

    @d
    dude at this point if they introduce more characters in code geass it be to kill them in the same episode and if they do that with a rounds members, who are supposed to be the best of the best, while other members have been around for 19 episodes it really wouldn’t be fair now would it? Plus they’re all in Europe fighting God knows what poor defenseless country. Seriously one army for such a huge area who does that (talking about the U.F.N.) and they all agree to send it to Japan leaving the rest defenseless???? wow Zero must be really persuasive or gave them all alot of cookies to convince them to agree to that.

    Orange must live on and cancel out Suzaku’s geass so lelouch can tell him to die
    “Yes your highness” *shot*

    Poor moe C.C. I think she’s going to become a psychic at the end of the series telling people she can talk to ghosts

    It’s amazing what you can do if you gather some of the worlds stupidest people in one ship.

    Also Lelouch will rule the world
    All hail Lelouch!!!!!!!

12. Haesslich August 17th, 2008 4:38 pm

    As I said, Rolo died from bro-con… which was his happy ending, and Lulu was indirectly responsible for it. Still, I don’t think people were expecting Rolo to get killed by Lulu in QUITE this way.

    What I find funny is that Ashford Academy’s out of the 1300m radius for the nuke, but well within the 3000m radius for the ’super blast from void drag effect’ that was shown on the FLEIJA screen… and despite the so-called ’super blast’ (aka: shockwave) the windows aren’t even broken when the buildings should’ve been flattened or at least crisped by the thermal shock of that nuke prior to the implosion effect.

    Ah well – at least we got to see Nina’s and Suzaku’s emo facial distortions – surely that’s something. Especially since Schneizei’s well on his way to winning everything by ‘losing’… and the OotBK won’t understand that until the second before he nukes them.

13. jack August 17th, 2008 4:51 pm

    @Calawain

    Actually, provided he worked in a “right to purchase sakuradite produced at market rate” into the paperwork, if Schneizel backstabs them on this he’d be doing it purely for the LULZ. Which he probably doesn’t do. They just suffered 35 million casualties among their administrators, colonists, britanianized japanese, and assorted collaberators. Holding onto Japan after the double-whammy culls of every japanese willing to try “peaceful progression from status quo” and every britanian willing to give Area 11 a shot of the SAR and Freya was going to be… problematic… at best. Ougi and Schneizel are both cashing in their chips and walking away with their winnings, and as of /right now/ they’ve won the series.

    @Halcyon

    Funny because it’s true. And you know what? He can live with it. Again, Ougi wins the series. And for the UFN, their armed forces having the battlecry “Nippon Banzai!” should have been a heads up. Just saying, yo.

14. Halcyon August 17th, 2008 4:58 pm

    @jack

    . Again, Ougi wins the series.

    askdfjasdfja;fa Ougi is a retard. He’ll soon come to know the error of his ways by Ep 22.

    And for the UFN, their armed forces having the battlecry “Nippon Banzai!” should have been a heads up. Just saying, yo

    The UFN’s armed forces are mostly the BK through a weird contract. But Xing Ke doesn’t know the Black Knights have betrayed Zero and Xing Ke seems to respect Zero, if nothing else for his strategic ability.

    Geass or no Geass, I doubt Xing Ke’s allegiance is as fickle as the Black Knights. Xing Ke and Zero have a mutual end-game goal that doesn’t stop with the liberation of Japan. Japan was just a staging area to get the other countries that are neutral to see that the Black Knights/UFN were capable of taking on and defeating Britannia.

    This whole new Britannian/BK alliance may throw all that into disarray at least until Ep 22 when Lelouch conquers them all with the might of a thousand penguins.

    NO LONGER WILL THEY BE CONFINED TO THEIR FROZEN DESOLATE ARCTIC WASTELANDS. NOW IS THE TIME FOR THE MARCH OF THE PENGUINS!

15. Ominae August 17th, 2008 5:24 pm

    I wonder if the penguins will have rifles and have spec ops training?

    Ougi: What the heck is that?
    Todo: I don’t know, but…
    Chiba: Are they penguins?

    (Everyone facefaults!)

    Damn you everyone at the BKs!!!! You’ll regret your decision, I tell ya!

16. Narrator 1 August 17th, 2008 5:42 pm

    What do the Black Knights think they can do without Lelouch, huh?

    I think we’ve seen how capable they are without Zero’s leadership during the closing of the first season.

    Agreed on Ougi being an idiot.

17. seguun August 17th, 2008 6:12 pm

    I seriously doubt either lelouch or suzaku will get killed. Sunrise has never killed the two main male characters. Case and point, Gundam Seed/Destiny.

18. Ryuua August 17th, 2008 6:16 pm

    So. Moe. I have officially decided. Sunrise spends 5 minutes on the story of the episode and the rest of the week deciding on a cliffhanger. 99% of why I’m still watching Geass is Anya

19. rollchan August 17th, 2008 6:21 pm

    this series is going nuts. definitely a good plot. can’t wait for the next epis to come! XD

20. Ryuua August 17th, 2008 6:24 pm

    Next episode? Gino under house arrest for molesting harmless penguins.

    I suppose by the end of the series, Australia will reveal that they have the BEST technology and take over the world for coloring them gray.

21. Onizuka August 17th, 2008 6:24 pm

    what a bunch of complete idiots even Todou who i hoped would be the intellectual in all this mess failed miserably also Ohgi going “give us japan back” what a freaking numbnut he clearly does not understand the situation that they are in also Diethard was completely swept in the flow but from the extended preview he might have realized what had happened and what Schneizel succeeded in doing

    ahh Kaguya i m so thankful that you where not with them when shit hit the fan but why is it that i have this nagging feeling that you already know who Zero truly is

    you can’t really give Kallen any fault in situation cause Lulu really had a lot of practice in pushing other people away but in the end he conveyed what he truly felt

    i never knew that standing on the same spot for almost half a day could make someone go crazy but sorry Bombzaku you suck at hysterical laughter

    finally Rolo what can i say his death was superbly done i really felt sorry for him even if in the back of my mind a voice was raging saying that this bro con killed Shirley and was planning to kill Nunnally also really liked the music

22. Square August 17th, 2008 6:31 pm

    I demand that once Crusader comes back he give a full analysis on this ep in order to ensure “fair and balanced” reporting :3

23. Rayndog August 17th, 2008 6:37 pm

    dawm this was a powerful episode

    poor lulu all alone
    well the black knights are officaly idiots

    hey you guys think this is the last season

24. cj August 17th, 2008 6:51 pm

    @Rayndog this is the last season Sunrise already confirmed it

    @Square Crusader is just going to post emo Lelouch poses and argue about what a loser he is.

    @Onizuka So true

    Lelouch is in desperate need of Pie remember it helps heal the soul
    Just give lulu some dam pie (can’t be pizza cuz the pizza hut was blown up by Fleija, what they gonna tell C.C. when she gets her memory’s back?

25. jack August 17th, 2008 7:04 pm

    The Black Knights haven’t done anything idiotic. They are not ideological crusaders in a great quest to put an end to Britanian Global Hegemony. They’re a battlehardenned japanese resistance army. They landed some good hits, had a nuke dropped in their faces, and were handed a political disaster on a platter. They then cut a deal to get. every. single. one. of their war-aims (and somehow ditching Zero after they liberated japan was previously established as one of their war-aims). They aren’t the Lelouch vi Britannia fan club and emotional support group. They’re the army in the field of the forces for the liberation of japan. They’ve. Done. Their. Jobs. Time to sell out the fanatics and sex up some hot brittanian chixors.

    These are serious men plying a trade that does NOT forgive error. Every day they vie against the might of the Brittanian empire is a day they risk disaster and failure of their goal. Not a one them can’t think of dead friend that once stood on his left or his right. It was just reveled they’ve been made FOOLS of by an expatriate britanian royal and angst-driven TEENAGER. Sweet Haruhi people, THEY’D HAVE EFFN’ PUT HIM AGAINST THE WALL AND SHOT HIM IN THE HEAD without even making a deal first if there wasn’t hay to be made in selling his virgin ass. BATTLEHARDENNED. REVOLUTIONARIES. Not-nice-people-at-all. If Kallen didn’t have hormones…

    Dammit people, this is the kind of thinking that would have somebody saying the USA shouldn’t have cut its deal in 1782 because Britain was still locking in a global war with France, Spain and the Netherlands that we’d convinced them to start.

26. Halcyon August 17th, 2008 7:57 pm

    @jack

    The Black Knights haven’t done anything idiotic.

    IDK about you but betraying the leader who’s responsible for every victory you’ve ever had is a pretty dumb move, imo. That would be like the Americans selling out Truman to the Germans, or George Washington to the Brits.

    Just, really, really, fuckin dumb.

    They are not ideological crusaders in a great quest to put an end to Britanian Global Hegemony. They’re a battlehardenned japanese resistance army.

    *Who have failed, consistently, in making any progress in their goals until Zero came along!

    They landed some good hits,

    Name two “good hits” they’ve landed without Zero’s leadership.

    had a nuke dropped in their faces,

    *Britannia had the nuke dropped in their faces.

    and were handed a political disaster on a platter. They then cut a deal to get. every. single. one. of their war-aims (and somehow ditching Zero after they liberated japan was previously established as one of their war-aims). They aren’t the Lelouch vi Britannia fan club and emotional support group. They’re the army in the field of the forces for the liberation of japan. They’ve. Done. Their. Jobs. Time to sell out the fanatics and sex up some hot brittanian chixors.

    They’ve done their job? Looks like all they’ve done is cut a deal. Their job isn’t finished until Japan is liberated, which will never happen because that means giving up a monopoly on the Sakuradite which every other country depends on.

    Good job@getting played by Schneizel.

    Anyway, besides all that. The official Geass website now lists Nunnally, Sayoko, Ms. Rohmeyer, Guilford and Asahina as dead on their correlative webpage. That should end the speculation over whether they’ve been “transferred” somewhere else and are really still alive!111!1!. Lelouch/Zero is also separated from the Black Knights into his own little area.

    Man, I can’t wait for the next episode. I want to see more alliance shifts with Orange-kun, Xing Ke, Anya/Gino, Kallen. The Black Knights are so so fucked.

    How do you make an enemy out of someone you KNOW has a MINDFUCKHax, incredible strategic skills and one of the most powerful Knightmare Frames in existence?
    For all you know, he could walk back into the Ikaruga, Geassing people left and right to shoot themselves in the freakin head while doing his maniacal “AAHAHAHAHAHAHAH GETCHU” laugh.

    Talk about EPIC stupidity.
    Much lulz and rage to ensue.

27. Calawain August 17th, 2008 8:57 pm

    @Haesslich

    Ashford has plot armor! Radiation or fallout? Psssssh.

    @Jack

    Schniezel is massively ambitious, he’d get to them eventually, even if it wasn’t right away. He wants to rule everything.

    @Ominae

    Penguins can be fucking scary, they move extremely fast in water after all. Plus they look really cute.

    @Narrator 1

    They can’t do anything, they are just being small minded. Schniezel is a master manipulator and they just got played.

    @Ryuua

    Looks like you will enjoy next week then.

    @Kaguya

    Depends on how good her memory is, Kaguya was pretty young when Lelouch came to live with Suzaku’s family.

    @Square

    I report, you decide.

    @Rayndog

    Yes it is, the writer/director has said that there will be no season 3. They haven’t said no movies or OVAs for side story stuff, but a definite close to the primary storyline will be at the end of R2.

    @Jack

    Of course they aren’t, but they are stupid because they don’t realize that Schniezel will just reinvade them when they capture everyone else. Once the anti-Brittanian coalition shatters it’s all over. Some of us are smart enough to look beyond the immediate.

    And your comparison to the US is foolhardy. The US didn’t “cut a deal,” the US beat the British off, and set their own terms to force the British out. Here, the OotBK hasn’t beaten anyone at all, they are still in the middle of the war.

28. Eirias August 17th, 2008 9:44 pm

    Odysseus is going to murder them all.

    That, or Lelouch is going to become like C.C., except as L.L.

    One of those predictions will come true: book it.

29. asdfas August 17th, 2008 9:53 pm

    cj, your reading comprehension must be horrible, because the list of dead contained nothing but britannian names. as has been pointed out over and over, mostly britannians lived in the tokyo settlement.

30. Kaioshin Sama August 17th, 2008 10:41 pm

    @Seguun:

    “I seriously doubt either lelouch or suzaku will get killed. Sunrise has never killed the two main male characters. Case and point, Gundam Seed/Destiny.”

    Okay whoa…hold it right there, that one warrants broken silence. I’m not letting that one slide. Sunrise never kills the two main characters? What do you call Char’s Counterattack? How about Ideon? Dunbine? Cowboy Bebop? Gaogaigar Final? 08th MS Team? Like are you serious?! You kids need to learn your Sunrise before you start acting like experts. I know everybody now thinks they are experts on the company and it’s all popular to say Sunrise doesn’t do x and Sunrise always does y, but you really don’t know anything about the company do you? Yet you speak as if you do. That’s just sad son. Case in point Gundam Seed/Destiny….pssshttt, clearly those are the only Sunrise series ever made up to this point. I’m just….wow……that’s why anime fans fail these days. You know what though, they get away with it because a quote like yours rarely goes questioned anymore even though it’s about as true as the idea that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction just prior to the 2003 invasion.

    ….Like anybody is going to listen to me anyway. I mean I only speak the language of common sense, but that doesn’t matter on the internet anyway.

31. Crusader August 18th, 2008 12:16 am

    @Kaioshin
    Since Tomino stopped getting into the thick of things the death is hardly the norm for the mains these days. All the series you mentioned happened a while back and these days if they couldn’t do us the courtesy of killing off Shinn and most of the GSD cast I have little faith in Sunrise to actually kill off a main. Not saying they won’t but…given how even a minor like Lasse gets a second chance no one seems to die anymore. Even then it is hard to ignore the fact that most of the series you mentioned involved Tomino who could kill off characters with reckless abandon or has the memory of Victory Gundam slipped your mind?

    I would applaud them if they had enough daring to kill off either Suzaku or Lulu, but as I said before even more hated characters have escaped the executioner’s axe before.

    You speak nothing of common sense you speak like some cankerous old mecha fan from his ivory tower talking of series so old that most people could barely spell when they aired. You may content yourself with describing every new anime fan as a failure, but know this you discredit the mecha genre in doing so. Instead of spreading the gospel of Tomino and singing the praise of 8th MS Team you insist on being combative and hostile.

    What irks me most is not that you dare mention such august names like 8th MS Team, Char’s Counterattack, Cowboy Bebop, and Gaogaigar along side this series that has not proven itself fully, but rather your ignorant and uncouth comment that the slights on some animation company (even on such as Sunrise) is on par with the situation that led up to Iraq and the current situation there, how fucking dare you trivialize it by comparing such conflict where people are struggling to make things better and dying daily to idle talk about some unfeeling company whose goal is still profit. Aye perhaps comrade Segunn has “failed” but you sir have some nerve in declaring the Iraq as some small affair as comments regarding you most beloved corporate entity. Perhaps to you Iraq might be a small affair that the death toll is but a small thing in the safety of your room far from the bullets, shrapnel, IEDs, and terrorist blokes trying to blow you and everyone around you to bits. Bravo for countering an incorrect statement with an egregiously stupid one. I do not ask you put yourself in a position to have your ass shot off, but I do insist that you never use the Iraq situation in such a manner here.

    You are free to comment however you fee like regarding anime, but do not presume that this is the place where likening the Iraq tragedy to something so small as an internet statement about Sunrise as being anywhere near acceptable. You are hence forth warned and action will be taken if you bring up Iraq in such a manner again.

32. Haesslich August 18th, 2008 1:03 am

    Kaioshin: There’s one problem with your statement – as of late, Sunrise has rarely killed main (protagonist) characters… instead preferring to do away with side-characters like they were popcorn. Even Mwu La Flaga’s death was retconned in the Special Edition, so they could reintroduce him in SEED DESTINY despite the fact that, had he survived the explosion, they’d either have seen his body floating in space RIGHT in front of the bridge… or else the ship would’ve run into his remains and splattered him across the viewport like a bug due to the force of the shot sending him on a vector towards the ship, which itself was moving at the time.

    Another case in point is Lockon of 00 – even if he IS his identical twin brother who has the same skills he does, they’ve brought the character back despite murdering him on screen beforehand and declaring him dead on his bio page (the way Nunnally and company are now officially KIA on their bios). This isn’t the same Sunrise that brought out 0073 or Char’s Counterattack, or killed Spike Siegel at the end of Cowboy Bebop. From Wing onwards, where the current crop of pilots see their genesis (pretty boy pilots who are super-aces that can do no wrong and who pilot overpowered mecha) they’ve been very reluctant to kill anyone who had a starring role. Only the secondaries, like Rolo here, get the knife… although I’m hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Lulu and Suzaku’s deaths at the end of the series.

33. Kaioshin Sama August 18th, 2008 1:36 am

    @Crusader: Fair enough. I forgot about your strong opinions on these matters again and regret it, but I also think that you are completely misjudging where I stand on the issue and putting words in my mouth as well making assumptions about my political opinions that I did not once state. This shall be the last time I talk about that matter here. I also must say that I am no worshipper of corporate entities by any stretch of the mind. In fact I subscribe to the progressive and classical liberal school of political thinking.

    You have your right to control the content allowed here and I won’t dispute that, but I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t jump to conclusions about the kind of person I am based off of a single sentence I wrote in passing just the same. Regardless, like I said I don’t plan to comment much on blogs much for the time being and anyway so the next time you even hear from me could be months from now. Still I’ll add some anime related feedback just the same

    You mention the glory of certain series, but honestly I don’t even like the 08th MS Team that much. War In The Pocket is the U.C OVA for me. As for Victory Gundam, it hasn’t slipped my mind and never will, but Ideon had way more character death than Victory Gundam did and same with Dunbine so I chose them as his representative series. Lastly I have already done my part for the mecha genre long long ago. I’ve gotten more people interested in the genre and it’s history then I even care to mention, but those people came to me with an interest to listen, to ask questions and to learn what I could show or teach them about the genre I’ve invested 10 years of my life in.

    These days though I see no interest among the common anime fan to listen and to learn from anyone other then themselves and their favourite blogger. I see arrogance and assumption of correctness among people who are sharing comments with utter falsehoods in them. It saddens me as much as it upsets me and I kind of think…..I don’t know, that the anime community just isn’t what it was even 4 years ago. I won’t trouble you with these thoughts any longer, as I said I’m not really supposed to be commenting, but just consider for a second that I might not be the fussy, preachy person I come across as out of choice, but just out of sheer lamentation, frustration with and regret for a medium of entertainment whose fans I might not even be able to identify with at all in even a years time. If that sounds dramatic, too serious or lol worthy then whatever, but that’s all I have to say on the matter.

    @Haesslich: That’s really stretching it a bit with Lockon. How can you assume that Lyle is even going to have the same type of personality as Neil? I mean that’s like saying that after the death of Jason Todd they brought him back because Tim Drake came to take over as Robin. The two were virtual opposites in every possible way even though they took on the same identity. And I know people just love to bring up the example of Mwu over and over again and I never stop regretting that that monstrosity of a series ever came along to give people such a reservoir of fodder for the character ressurection thing, but come on. How long are we going to dwell on that dying and decaying franchise that sold itself out so long ago anyway. I liken it to kicking a dead carcass and truth be told I barely even consider it a true Gundam considering just how much it steals from other much better entries in the franchise. It’s like Franken-Gundam or something.

    I also do not subcribe to the Jason Miao belief of this not being the same Sunrise as the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s for one second. Not just because I disagree with the guy on everything right down to core values, but because I still see that company today. They were gone through most of 2000 through 2005, couldn’t find them to save my life, but they made a reappearance in 2006 and have been making a comeback ever since. Truth be told I had lost all faith in them at one point when Gundam Seed and Mai Hime ruled the block, but shows like Pailsen Files, Big 0 Season 2, Overman King Gainer, Banner of The Stars, Zegapain, Code Geass, Keroro Gunsou, Gintama, iDOLM@STER Xenoglossia, PlanetES, Steamboy, M.S Igloo and yes even Gundam 00 remind me far more of the old Sunrise then of the company that churned out trash like Gundam Seed Destiny, Mai Otome and it’s endless sequels, Cluster Edge, Crush Gear, and whatever other pet projects they worked on for Bandai. I see that same spark of creativity, general wit in character dialogue and desire to make an enjoyable series again as they one I saw way back in the day with Zeta Gundam.

34. random hero August 18th, 2008 2:12 am

    question regarding the logic flaws in the thinking patterns of the black knights, if they believe they have been geassed into obeying zero, then wouldn’t they have taken into account that lelouche could just order them not to shoot at him?

    so after reacting with fear and paranoia to mostly a onesided portrayal of evidence and unsubstansiated bullshit they have proven that they are mindless douche bags who got suckered in like Today Tonight’s viewers and therefore deserve the screw-over they are likely to recieve

35. Crusader August 18th, 2008 2:36 am

    @Kaioshin
    Truth be told I just find it to be incredibly in bad taste to talk about an ugly ongoing situation involving real people in the context as some sound bite to highlight something so trivial as an idle comment about Sunrise. It is something that will be a significant event in my short existence I will do my best to mitigate the worst of it, but never will I find the abuse of that situation as some tag line for something that pales in comparison to be acceptable. You are entitled to you opinion on the matter, but it is in poor tasted to say that Iraqi situation is in any way similar to criticism of Sunrise. We can only use words to criticize and mock Sunrise, words don’t kill, IEDs do.

    I can see why I will rarely see eye to eye with you I think 8th MS Team is the greatest Gundam ever made with 0080 not far behind. Right now I still don’t think the current Sunrise is capable of killing off either Lulu or Suzaku, they could have made Rolo die a death most befitting the murderer of Shirley but even then little things like mercy and the foolish notion of redemption in death overcame what could have been a delivery of justice most poetic. If Rolo can have a good death I hold out little hope that Sunrise is capable of killing off any main characters given how Rolo did not deserve such a clean death under any circumstances.

    Time changes things people come and go as the tides of time shift. I still consider that Tomino’s stewardship over Gundam was the most original period of it’s long history. These newer Gundams even Gundam 00 seem to be retreading old ground instead of doing new and more interesting things. Gundam 00 is at least a decent mix of older Gundams, and I hope they do somethings differently this time around. I doubt that there will be another Tomino and his heyday is still one I look more fondly upon even if I despised Victory Gundam. The decision to bring back the old team for Gundam 00 will hopefully be for the better however I still find it hard to ignore that fact that not much has changed aesthetically. I hope they can justify this decision given how Lasse was expendable and Feldt could have carried on Lockon’s legacy instead of Lyle, and if they fail to differentiate the two quickly it may well be a portent of things to come given how several others were brought back as well.

36. Cioccolatta August 18th, 2008 4:15 am

    We will get to see how Sunrise will someday,proves us wrong.

37. Zentari August 18th, 2008 9:30 am

    @Crusader : Nice.Anything else you find incredibly bad in taste and in need of retribution ? Next time chill pill.

    As for the episode, I don’t think much can be said.We all agree that the BKs were idiots to say the least ,believing an enemy and deciding to sell out the ONLY thing that got them this far,disregarding the fact that Schniezel can at any given moment for any given reason cancel the whole deal and just conquer Japan.

38. midenz August 18th, 2008 9:45 am

    this was such an epic episode =.[!

39. Crusader August 18th, 2008 10:17 am

    @Zentari
    Unlike you I don’t take drugs for recreational purposes. Now go take your diacetylmorphine you twat.

    The the Black Knights were idiots it was Lulu’s fault for not trusting them much in the first place, and once his orders to find Nunnally no longer made sense well… you might be able to follow a sis-con to the depths of hell, but if my CO started giving me orders to find his sister I’d say the gig is up. At least they had the sense to use dear leader as a bargaining chip…

    At least they forced Rolo to kill himself given how Lulu couldn’t do it even when fully emo over Nunnally. Rolo is dead and that is all that matters.

40. Zentari August 18th, 2008 11:05 am

    @Crusader : Try to do so.You are in dire need of them they will help you keep your nerves in check next time.

    Also you seem to be forgetting that said CO took them from petty resistance fighters and made them a superpower.Anything else you are willing to disregard and ignore to back your arguement ?

    Bargaining chip ? What made them think that Schniezel was trustworthy ? If they had used their brains they would ask Schniezel to give them some time in order think over it and use that time to confront Lelouch.If they betrayed him afterwards it would be more believable unlike the way it went:

    Schniezel: Zero is Lelouch and is a WIZARD!!!!
    BKs: HAX, give us our dirt back without any guarantee what-so-ever and we shall give him to you.If Ougi keeps his bitch , we’ll throw a discount in it too !

41. Crusader August 18th, 2008 11:39 am

    @Zentari
    Well Dr. Zentari honored graduate of the Dr. Phil School Medicine I must seek a second opinion for I think you are a quack and have no authority to legally sign prescriptions.

    Lulu is a wizard, and besides I am not a Rolo lover like you I care not how he was forced to die so long as he was well the Black Knights can do what ever they want. Rolo is dead! Long may he rot! Weep for Rolo if you must but I consider the Black Knights to have finally redeemed themselves as tools in rebellion for offing Rolo.

    The thing you fail to understand is that logic has long since left this series, this isn’t mere madness, this is CODE GEASS your logic has no place here. It was just as much as Lulu deserved he kept Rolo on way too long and could not avenge Shirley. They did what Lulu could not. Lastly what sense is there to keep fighting when the other side has all the nukes and doesn’t seem to have qualms about using them? Even if Lulu got a hold of some of his own Mutually Assured Destruction only works when both sides have reservations about pushing the shiny red button, Britannia doesn’t care who gets blown up and Lulu didn’t seem to care if the Black Knights got blown up too.

42. Zentari August 18th, 2008 1:45 pm

    @Crusader: Second opinion ? Certainly, I can drop again by tomorrow if you like.

    About the logic thing , leave it for when you are on /a/ only.Also if Code Geass has no place for my logic, what makes you think that it has for yours ?

    Rolo? What made you think I cared about him ? I don’t remember saying anything about him.
    I also agree that Lelouch kept Rolo WAY too long but you have to remember that he WAS planning on blowing him up (plan got screwed).

    Now about the peace thing, are you telling me that they surrendered because they were afraid of the nuke yet dared to try and make a bargain with someone who could squash them under his thumb,if he wanted so ? Shouldn’t they have surrendered unconditionally ? They were just butthurt from the whole Zero deal ,that’s all and instead of calmingly assessing the situation (read what I said before) they went along with that bloodsack Ougi.

43. cj August 18th, 2008 1:55 pm

    @asdfas I only said that to make it funny, I wasn’t serious, I didn’t even pay close attention to the list (but I went to it after your comment and what kind of a britanian name is Pedro? It seems illegal immigrants are crossing the border.)

44. Crusader August 18th, 2008 2:09 pm

    @Zentari
    Why would you ask and fake doctor twice? Besides Dr. Zentari doesn’t work for Kaiser nor has he registered as a medical professional in the US.

    In preferring the Black Knights stick with Zero you must therefore accept the price of Rolo living one episode longer to justify it. That is a price I am not willing to pay Rolo had to die if their treachery was the price of his head then so be it.

    /a/ is for narut/a/rds I only go on /m/. Even if they were butthurt at the time that feeling of butt hurt allowed them to make a most wise decision. Besides you have to be crazy or stupid to challenge an amoral nuclear super power with their finger on the button with conventional power alone. Here even if they were butthurt discretion was the better part of valour.

    That was a brilliant sell on Schniezel’s part any way Lulu did Geass them but the elevens just assumed that Lulu Geassed them all to do bad things. Just goes to show the only way to build loyalty is trust. Even if they stick with Lulu now that they know he is a Britannian Prince there is little point in continuing the fight since they were probably play things for two dastardly Britannian Princes. Given the reputation of Britannian royalty I can see why they said fuck it. Either way its a Britannian victory and given how they don’t know why Lulu fights the reasonable assumption was that Lulu did it all to gain a the throne.

    Lulu never did tell them the truth and all it took was for Schniezel to tell them a half truth, which was more honesty than they ever got out of Zero.

45. Zentari August 18th, 2008 2:45 pm

    @Crusader: There you go ASSuming things again.Where did I mention living in the U.S ?
    If I want something to happen differently (i.e BKs sticking with Zero ) I don’t see why I can’t want anything else to happen differently too (mainly Rolo choking on his own saliva or something ).

    My apologies, I thought you were trolling too much.Now I know that you are an elitist on top of that.

    Wise decision ? They decided to sell the leader that got them so far based on half-assed evidence and the testimony of someone who’s screwing around with the enemy.Oh and what Asahina said.Given the reputation of the Britannian royalty , I CAN’T see why the fuck they did it because what you said works both ways.

    I do agree that Schniezel’s plan was brilliant.I like the guy even though was a little TOO happy when the bomb went off (methinks he liked the colour ? :p).

46. buzzcock August 18th, 2008 2:48 pm

    @ Crusader: Stop your bullying ways and trivializing the human disaster created because no one would question the drivel being shoveled their way. Kaoshin made a readily comprehensible analogy. If you wanted to request to avoiding politics then a simple request and reminder would have sufficed as is your sanctimonious sermon warrants a repudiation. You did a much better job of hijacking the thread into discussions of the war than anything Kaoshin wrote.

    I think we have had a string of epic episodes unfold. They are a like a roller coaster, so much happens and there is so little to digest it all!! For a change a complaint could be raised that damn anime is moving way too fast, and a clamor arises for the need of few more clarifying story-arcs to tie it all together, help!!

47. Crusader August 18th, 2008 3:00 pm

    @Zentari
    Hence there is no need for me to solicit your unwanted medical opinions.

    Since there is no fight for great justice any more it is wise to just call it quits. Since you can’t trust no one anymore why not do you own thing. It’s not like Lulu was begging their forgiveness or appealing to their sense of humanity. Lulu just told them all that they were idiots and that I was nothing more than a game. Lulu told them to fuck off, so they might as well oblige Lulu and tell him to fuck off as well.

    @buzzcok
    Kaioshin ought to know by now since he’s been here for a while that there are certain things that test my patience. You bitch and moan about what led to the shit storm questions were asked but in the end the opposition backed down. You may cry foul for the rest of your life, my only concern now is to salvage the situation, bitching and moaning about it will not save lives, it will not stop the local baddies from blowing up a market.

48. Zentari August 18th, 2008 3:11 pm

    @Crusader : There IS a need.I just can’t force you to .

    Oh and I DO agree with calling it quits but NOT this way.They SHOULD have proceeded carefuly instead of lashing out like that.Once again, they were colossal idiots.

    About what you said to buzzcok…While I don’t agree about you and your patience (the responce usually is: cry me a river, build me a bridge, JUMP OFF ) I can see where you are comming from and kinda agree.

49. XXX August 18th, 2008 3:21 pm

    Remind me why main character death (Lelouch/Suzaku in this case) is automatically a good thing.

    Also, Code Geass isn’t going to win any awards for best writing or for seriousness, but it does have more logic than you people claim, even if it’s not always good or resorts to devices which usually make sense in fiction only.

    If you try to apply realism to many of these series, including some actual masterpieces, they fall apart just as quickly.

50. cj August 18th, 2008 3:22 pm

    Hey I though that they agreed to hand Zero to Shneizel alive not shot all over or maybe saying handing him over already implied dead or alive.

51. buzzcock August 18th, 2008 3:30 pm

    @Crusader The reason that the marketplace is getting blown up in the first place is because of the baddies. The baddies are the bullies with the boomstick and use it to whack or stare down those who disagree. That was the first tragedy in it’s self and one that needs to be learnt from and the lesson taken to heart not frivolously shrugged aside. To cure a poison victim the poison first needs to first be ejected from the body. The victim can only then begin to heal and it won’t be miraculous and it won’t happen overnight and won’t be painless either. The damage has already been done and only get worse while the longer the poison remains. My concern is saving those unenumerated lives that continue to be lost and my bitching and moaning is reserved for those idiots who refuse to see that they will only get what they have gotten from continuing to do what they have always done.

    The Black Knights are shit stupid. Strategically it was not yet the opportune moment at which to dispose of Zero. They can’t ensure the security of what they gain with this trade yet and will remain at the mercy of britannia. They played out their hand too early. They got shcneizeled, clearly this why they never made much headway earlier.

52. Miran August 18th, 2008 4:26 pm

    The Black Knights and Zero were using each other to each further their own ends. Why would it not make sense for them to drop him once he becomes a liability? He was quite prepared to do the same to them (in fact, had done so, at the end of last season).

    The entire last couple of episodes was building up to this point anyway. You don’t build trust and personal loyalty among your followers by ordering them to massacre random noncombatants without an explanation and yelling incoherently about Nunnally when you’re supposed to be commanding a war.

    Whether Schneizel will make good on his word is moot. From the Black Knights’ perspective they can either take the deal and cut their losses, or keep getting used for Zero’s personal agenda. It’s not like following Zero guarantees them Japan’s freedom either, since he’s proven that he’s perfectly willing to throw away just about anything to achieve his personal vengeance.

53. Crusader August 18th, 2008 4:38 pm

    @Zentari
    Society these days is already on enough meds as it is… I have no desire to put more money into Big Pharmaceuticals for stuff I really don’t need, besides beer is cheaper and requires no prescription.

    Well if they were smart they never would have joined Lulu in the first place or at least would have said no to Rolo. It would be patently out of character for their fist adventure in independent thought to be successful. Thus far Zero did all the thinking for them now they have to learn how to think. It’s not like Lulu was following German Doctrine or even the fire team concept. It was a conscript doctrine where only one man had the plans and the rest only provided muscle is it any wonder that now that they have rid themselves of the Britannian brain that their actions are more like spasms? I think not and hopefully this will be an opportunity to finally rid this series of Tamaki… Hence this was a triumph, I am making a note here of Schniezel’s success.

    @buzzcock
    Look at it this way now that Tamaki is on his own perhaps he can now finally die. After the slaughter of Britannians last time perhaps it is time that the Black Knights start dying off now the Lulu is no longer there.

54. Zentari August 18th, 2008 4:39 pm

    @Miran: You miss the point.It wasn’t about the BKs being used or betraying Zero.It was about WHEN,how and WHY they did so.

55. Zentari August 18th, 2008 4:48 pm

    DAMMIT,now I have to double post in order to respond…oh,well.
    @Crusader :
    lol @ the beer comment,as for Tamaki I can’t say I hate the guy, he’s so dumb and worthless that I just can’t hate him for a reason.I agree on the part about BKs being idiots from the start but damn, even THEIR idiocy should have had a limit…I really don’t take well to Ougi however, I mean he’s pussywipped (excuse my language ).

56. Haesslich August 18th, 2008 4:55 pm

    Kaioshin: Sunrise is a studio with several teams, IIRC. They’ve been… hit or miss with some of these series you’ve named. They’ve also gone through some turnover and retirements, as well as shuffling of staff from what I recall. But over the past ten years, they definitely have had a change of heart with regards to how Gundam shows tend to operate, and perhaps due to the need to market the product even after the show’s done have been reluctant to do the dramatically ‘correct’ thing by killing a main character – instead choosing to sacrifice side-characters en masse to try to deliver the same punch that killing a hero would. While we can cast a lot of blame (most of it, the rest belongs to his wife.. who was coincidentally the head writer for DESTINY) on Fukuda, it smacks of elitism to say “well, Gundam SEED isn’t really Gundam” because it’s so widely disliked; that’s an opinion, as you’ve pointed out. And ironically it was one of the most successful Gundam series in recent years, because it was a Frankenstein which combined teen dramaangst with the pretty boy pilots of Gundam Wing, an upgrade cycle which made it practical to reissue models with new dongles on them as whole new mecha, and brought back old plots from as far back as the original series along with some of the stuff from Zeta (transformable suits, combining suits) and so forth.

    Most of the stuff out there so far is treating him as if he (Lockon) was the same character… and they even joked about it in that first PV with the zombie thing. Even Erstin got her reincarnation (sorta) through that little Schwartz girl in Zwei, so even characters who mostly stay dead… don’t. Sunrise seems to be famous (or infamous) for this now; other studios may do the same thing… but Sunrise examples tend to stick in one’s mind, perhaps because it’s been done in such improbable ways (the Mwu example’s rather blatant, especially with the way they had to retcon it).

    Mai-Otome also seems to have been a proto-Geass in how they played out the drama and storyline, although to judge by how Geass went they seem to have fixed a lot of the pacing issues which plagued the last third of the Otome series. They go for the same sort of dramatic death, character relationship breaking, and the theme of friendship and betrayal. And the same sense of dangling plotlines, although R2 seems to be on its way to tying some of those up. It also seems to have been a practice run for Xenoglossia, which replaced the Otome robes with mecha…. but seems to have reused the character designs for some reason, more so than the Otome/IPGX connections (where you can see Lena and one or two others, IIRC).

    As for Sunrise, I believe their Keroro Gunso team is the best one working at the moment; the rest are more hit and miss, and even Keroro has its bad days.

    But back to the main story – the OotBK got conned by everyone, and they’re on their way to destruction or assimilation… but they don’t realize that yet, although Viletta may have a clue as to it. I hope for a purge of Zero’s followers, which will mean they can get back to being terrorists and blowing up random things for no real purpose, so the United Federations of Nations can fall apart and stop resisting Britannia, and so everyone there can learn just how much of a bastard Schneizei and Charles can be as they fight each other and destroy the other nations which are now caught in the middle.

    Being honest, I’d love to see their world burn in an Evangelion-like ending right now. It would be very, very entertaining and quite befitting the clusterfuck everyone’s made through their actions over the past 50 or so episodes of the first and second season.

57. Crusader August 18th, 2008 4:55 pm

    @Zentari
    I hope Ougi dies, he basically raped Villetta-sensei in her moment of weakness back in R1 and left her to die. Though I think that considering the quality of Eleven women (Nagisa) I can see why Ougi thought going Britannian was a good idea, now he no longer has to wank off to pictures Chigusa, he got back the real thing. How very Eleven of him…

    Like any human failing stupidity is limitless.

    @Haesslich
    Well it is rather funny how the UFN thought that they would only have only to kick in the door and then whole rotten structure will come crashing down. Ironic how a little bit half truth brought down Lulu. Clearly the Order was a rotten edifice.

    They are, all of them, vermin. Cowering in the dirt, thinking…what, I wonder? That they might escape the coming fire? No. Their land will burn until its surface is but glass, and not even their Tamaki will live to creep, blackened from its hole, to mar the flashing of a resurgent Britannia. The culmination of our conquest, for their destruction is the will of the gods! And Suzaku? Suzaku is their instrument!

    The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist, and the only thing better than a dead terrorist is a dying terrorist who tells you where to find his mates.

58. Zentari August 18th, 2008 5:09 pm

    @Haesslich: EVA ending ? Dunno about that my pick would be something like that (BEFORE the world goes boom,we CAN have them both,can’t we? ) :
    Ougi: <>
    Shneizel : <>
    *5 million troops are sent to Japan and tear eveyone a new one *

    @Crusader: Well honestly I dunno who I should support in this series.The only one I can think of is Charles and to a lesser extend Jeremia (not that he isn’t dumb but at least he is loyal plus he IS a borg).

59. cj August 18th, 2008 5:13 pm

    Wow there have to be like 3 discussions going on at the same time oh well.
    @Crusader glad to see that you can spare time from saving the country to come here and prove everyone wrong ^.^ but I have to agree with you (I know I will regret this) with this case that using Zero as a bargaining chip was the right thing to do but for God’s sake if your going to bargain make sure you get what you want before getting rid of the chip. The way they did it it would go down like this:
    Ootbk: “die Zero” *bang bang bang*
    Zero: “noooooooooooooooooooooooooo” *deadz*
    Ootbk: “ok give us japan back”
    Shnei: “why should I you just killed zero for me thanks now fear my nuke”
    *Shneizel excapes nukes ship*
    So you see I think they had the right idea (unfortanetely) just a stupid execution of it.

60. Zentari August 18th, 2008 5:22 pm

    For some reason it “ate” some lines.Here they are:
    Ougi : ” So,um,Shneizel now that you conquered the whole world and gave us Japan the war is over,right ? ”
    Shneizel: “Um…no “.

61. Crusader August 18th, 2008 5:36 pm

    @cj
    Well being the Area 11 centric people that they are it comes as little wonder that the Black Knights cannot negotiate good deal. Clearly Schneizel has been haggling with Jewish mothers for some time. Schniezel got the best deal not only did he get a surrender, he even stripped Zero of everything for a mere recording and a file of likely victims of Geass. He even scored Cornelia and got some credit in helping kill off Rolo to sweeten the deal.

    @Zentari
    An EVA ending could work that way Orange-kun can be lord of Orange!

62. Zentari August 18th, 2008 5:46 pm

    @Crusader :I would PAY to see that :p .

63. Halcyon August 18th, 2008 6:14 pm

    lol you guys are going to be so pissed when you see the Episode Title for Ep 22.

64. cj August 18th, 2008 6:15 pm

    Crusader is right eva ending will do I mean how can the code geass universe go on without Orange?
    @Crusader
    The fact that the black knights are idiots also helped smooth the process I mean they bought all of that from the enemies I mean they’re so gullible. Yes we know that most of the stuff they said is true but that’s from our perspective from their perspective they were taking advice from the enemy…. the recording could be easily faked, the list of people you’d be amazed what a little program called word can do you can make a page with a photo and some writing so practically you can go to the Ootbk and tell them that a meteor is going to fall on the earth showing them a doodle and they would all freak out.
    @Halcyon
    What , Emperor Lelouch? If that’s the case I’m happy with it because I support Lelouch I just think the BK are idiots now.

65. YAH0000! August 18th, 2008 10:38 pm

    WAAHAHAHAHA!!This anime is the most tragic,full of suspense-action-thrilling shows i had ever seen in my whole life!

66. Coaxen August 19th, 2008 3:39 am

    “What’s left for Lelouch? Well he’s going to take on the Emperor, but he’s not completely alone. Orange-kun is still with him until the end, and there’s a good chance Kallen will come back to him given the chance. Other than that you can hope that Sayoko survived the blast but that’s about it. Hopefully he can get Anya on his side with some geass canceling, but he’s starting over from nearly scratch again.”

    The stuff about Kallen and Orange is 100% certain.
    Plus, Nunnally and Sayoko are probably alive(however, following the logic of non evidential deaths, these 10 million people are alive , CC will die and be reborn, and everyone will live happily ever after.

67. xrampage August 19th, 2008 7:28 am

    So….when’s Nina gonna get killed? She deserves it the most (well, maybe next to Ougi)

68. Zentari August 19th, 2008 8:10 am

    BTW was it just me or did Cornelia have the psycho look when Ougi said give us Japan ?

69. Halcyon August 19th, 2008 8:51 am

    @Zentradi

    I think it’s just you. It’s probably a mix of shock/digust on Cornelia’s part that Ougi would have the gall to ask for giving back Japan in return for turning over Lelouch. She’s probably thinking at that moment “Filthy Eleven. How dare he ask for something that high/valuable. I’ll punch him into the next dimension as soon as this arm heals”.

70. xrampage August 19th, 2008 4:28 pm

    @Kaioshin

    pray that Kill ‘em all Tomino gets his hands on this show

71. cj August 19th, 2008 8:40 pm

    Ok I know this is kind of late and probably no one will read it but if someone does well…. yay
    In the ending of the op of episode 19 when lelouch is putting on his contact lense it’s dark while in the earlier op’s it’s during the day…. wonder what that means….

72. Kaioshin Sama August 19th, 2008 11:45 pm

    Can’t keep a guy down it seems. Maybe this is just a sign that I actually do like this blog, find it reasonably fair in it’s impression of shows (other then of course Crusader, but hey…) and therefore want to comment on it. It’s certainly a better quality of commentary going on then at most blogs, that’s for sure. None of that sour grapes mentality I see a lot. That makes two then.

    So, in defence of the Black Knights, they did actually start of pretty skeptical about what Schneizel said and continued to be for much of the talks up until the part where Schneizel put those documents on the table and things started to click for them. Of course those things wouldn’t have started to click for them if they weren’t already pretty suspicious of Zero’s behaviour given some of the things he’d had them involved in recently. Not to mention the increasing secretiveness, the company he has been keeping and his sudden outburst about finding Nunally after the latest battle.

    Though if anyone was truly a fool it was Ougi for listening so much to what Viletta must have told him in private and being the one to agree to a deal for selling out Zero.

    @xrampage: At this point Taniguchi is making a pretty good stab at succeeding the Kill’em all title. I don’t think Tomino wants that title anymore anyway judging by his recent work.

    @cj: Probably something along the lines of this being Lelouch’s darkest hour and/or him having gone over completely to the dark side with his new cause. The one that is just plain old revenge I mean. Thanks for pointing that one out though.

    To add something, does anybody find Schneizel a little too perfect in his schemes in a somewhat annoying way. I’m kind of waiting to see this guy actually lose big time at something. Nobody likes a Gary Stu after all.

73. Crusader August 20th, 2008 12:45 am

    @cj
    The Black Nights were already suspicious of Zero and wary of his new buddies Rolo and Orange-kun. All Schneizel did was feed their suspicions and let them think the worst. Technically Schneizel was telling the truth Lulku did ignore the warnings about their new weapon and all those people were geassed. Because it was so alien to them they didn’t know what to think anymore, since their trust was never absolute it was a simple matter for Schneizel to appeal to their paranoia and have them reject Zero because they are no longer sure if they actually signed up on their own. Finding out that some of their old JLF comrades were among Zero’s victims wa a masterful play. Their comrades in the JLF were their buddies they knew them longer than they had known Zero they shared the difficulties of the struggle. They served the JLF of their own free will that they are certain, but since Lulu might have been geassing them all along and has killed Japanese to further his goals, all of a sudden the picture they see is a conflict between two princes in a power struggle where their lives and the lives of those they claim to be protecting are irrelevant.

    @Kaioshin
    Again with the insults I see.

    Ougi bailed out Zero because he was he hardly trusted him since meeting Chigusa, since he wanted to believe so badly in the Special Administrative Region learning the Zero was the one who wrecked it was not gong to sit well. Again all Villetta and Schneizel had to do was feed his suspicions.

    Taniguchi is not going to take Tomino’s crown as king of “Kill ‘em All,” unless this turns out like Victory Gundam and the Black Knights become an uglier version of the Shrike Team. King Tomino is not dead, and will be the reigning monarch for a very long time. A Great King does not seek to be king he has the crown thrusted upon him. After all it was the fans who crowned him. Thus for your high treason of trying to help this Taniguchi fellow usurp Tomino’s throne and steal his crown you ought to be punished… I suggest you beg Tomino the High King of Kill ‘em all for forgiveness. Yazan is standing by to violate you.

    Schneizel is basically Iago-lite we are not sure why people trust him, but nevertheless they do and never see the knife coming. I hope that Lulu will turn out to be the Othello and when all has come to pass and Schneizel is dragged off, I hope he gets to laugh at the sheer amount of damage he has done to every one and how many people he has driven to their doom. Given that Lulu is the savior there has to be a real devil to test him. If anything Lulu is the Marty Stu, he’s the protagonist, gets all the girls, gets a lot of power, and plays by his own rules, in short the typical teenage power fantasy.

74. Kaioshin Sama August 20th, 2008 3:02 am

    @Crusader:

    “Ougi bailed out Zero because he was he hardly trusted him since meeting Chigusa, since he wanted to believe so badly in the Special Administrative Region learning the Zero was the one who wrecked it was not gong to sit well. Again all Villetta and Schneizel had to do was feed his suspicions.”

    Bingo!

    “Schneizel is basically Iago-lite we are not sure why people trust him, but nevertheless they do and never see the knife coming. I hope that Lulu will turn out to be the Othello and when all has come to pass and Schneizel is dragged off, I hope he gets to laugh at the sheer amount of damage he has done to every one and how many people he has driven to their doom. Given that Lulu is the savior there has to be a real devil to test him. If anything Lulu is the Marty Stu, he’s the protagonist, gets all the girls, gets a lot of power, and plays by his own rules, in short the typical teenage power fantasy.”

    And yet what does Lelouch have now. A Gary Stu doesn’t just end up losing everything like that because of his own actions. That shows character flaw and weakness. A proper Gary Stu is perfect in every way and is never outwitted or proven to have any shortcomings by somebody else. Right now Schneizel is the guy. Maybe Lelouch used to be the guy, but he’s definitely not the guy right now.

75. Calawain August 20th, 2008 5:43 am

    I actually have to agree with Kaoishin, as scary as that is. I don’t see how in any way Lulu is a “Marty Stu,” I mean the guy has lost everything. What girls does he have left? C.C., Nunally, Shirley, and to him Kallen and Kaguya too, all gone. He has no organization, no followers, not even a yaoi bait bro-con otoutou. The guy is also beaten soundly by Schniezel, and everybody hates him now. Marty/Mary Sue’s are characterized by everyone loving them and always winning, which is certainly not the case following this episode.

76. Gawain August 20th, 2008 7:08 am

    Hey maybe Gino is working for Ashford, you could see the tag on his shirt/ jacket at EP 18 when he is visiting Kallen.

77. lilu August 20th, 2008 7:52 am

    @Gaiwan

    That tag on his shirt means that he works for britannia

78. lilu August 20th, 2008 7:54 am

    The last scene in the opening is changed in to the night and Lulu showing his Geass in the previous opening Lulu in that scene lulu is in the day and Geass desappairs.

79. DeCulture August 20th, 2008 8:14 am

    0_o Huh!?

80. Miran August 20th, 2008 10:41 am

    @Zentari

    The Britannians have a superweapon that their commander failed to tell them about. Said commander is obviously completely off his rocker and basically ordered them to die for his personal agenda. Along comes the enemy, who’s willing to negotiate to give them what they want. They pick the lesser of two evils and get out when they can, because regardless of whether FLEIA is effective against their super mecha, if Schneizel wanted to bomb Japan into the dirt he could, and Japan is what they’re fighting for.

    Zero has proven himself to be neither a competent commander nor to have the Black Knights’ best interests at heart. The BK are basically stuck between a rock and a hard place and took the best option they had.

    Schneizel may not be the bastion of trustworthiness, but the entire Black Knight arc has been building up to this because Zero is not willing to be honest with them either, and when you spend most of your time telling your troops “don’t question just do as I say” and those troops are idealistic terrorist freedom fighters rather than professional military, that only works as long as you can produce results.

81. Crusader August 20th, 2008 11:19 am

    @Kaioshin and Calawain
    Just because Lulu lost everything doesn’t make him any less of a Marty Stu, the whole episode was meant for us to feel sorry for him to add some more tragedy to his character. Let’s be honest here a tragic past is terribly cliched and overused. More over Lulu seems to be experiencing what the teenage demographic experiences or in my opinion thinks that they have experienced. Lulu had super powers of sorts when the number of super villains is rather limited. Lulu has made other characters irrelevant, Todou was billed as a leader type as was Li, but in the end they ended up as just more muscle rather than really contribute to any sort of plan. Using the TV tropes as the standard Lulu is Darker and Edgier, with attached tragic, past, and uses his tragic past for some good old brooding and angsting. Sure Lulu has some odd traits being that he is a weakling, but because of that he is more like the image of the average otaku would like to be in Japan. He’s physically weak, but a genius, he has muck that drives women crazy, has powers that are pretty OP, benefits from many contrived coincidences in that his magic button seems to be keyed to many different things, and he is guilty of ass pulls from his newer “fuck wit teh ground tricks.” Since this is anime more often or not sis-con is viewed a s something positive and no matter what evil Lulu has participated in it is always some how justified and made to be sympathetic.

    For the most part Lulu has been this series Marty Stu, perhaps his time has ended, but in Code Geass nothing is ever certain and Lulu has won back the Black Knights before, he has time to do it again. Since the question is no longer if Lulu will save the day, but rather what trick is he going to pull out now to save his ass; we are at least with hitting the outlying areas of God Mode Sue Territory. Whether or not Lulu can pull out of Marty Stu territory remains to be seen but until we get confirmation that the realignment is permanent there is a chance that the status quo might return.

    Lulu is still the holder of a super power (ala a Marvel Super Hero) in a world where there is one left and there weren’t that many to begin with. Lulu has not lost everything, he still has Kallen’s loyalty (remember guys separation has not caused Kallen to reject Lulu before id doubt that this separation will be different), Orange-kun, his geass, Kaguya might still want to be his waifu (his one year absence didn’t adversely affect her love then I doubt it will now), Li and his cronies might still fight for Zero, and he is still C2’s rightful master. So Lulu still has some assets left. Lulu just lost is old power base he still has the Chinese to order around, and its not like Lulu couldn’t win with the Chinese mooks.

    Schniezel lacks superpowers and hasn’t had everything go his way, Euphie’s massacre, and the second coming of Emperor Wakamoto were not anticipated. What Schniezel is in addition to being an Iago-lite is a politician he didn’t get the Black Knights to join him he only cut them a deal to get what he wanted and give them what they wanted most, if her were a Marty Stu the Black Knights would be swearing their loyalty to him. It wasn’t exactly an ass pull since all that really mattered to most of them was getting Japan back.

    Besides its not like all Britannians are jerks, after all both Nunnally and Euphie were working for the Japanese the whole time, so maybe Brtiannians are capable of honoring their promises. Lulu can’t be trusted but that Schniezel fellow was trusted by both Euphie and Nunnally, so he can’t be all bad right? The EU was allowed to keep some of their territory after they surrendered and they still hold the UK and the Ukraine. Overall Schneizel seems to be somewhat trust worthy and is certainly more trust worthy than Lulu who lied until the end. So in the end it wasn’t a total ass pull, its not Schniezel’s fault that the Black Knights were idiots, but he did have some convincing credentials.

    We don’t trust him, but given his actions thus far he does seem most reasonable and is at least capable of honoring treaties. The EU is still there and Schniezel was supporting the Japanese SAR, so Schniezel wasn’t using hax (at least there was some ground work laid to justify the image of Schniezel the Statesman) he was being a slimy politician, after all I am sure we are all aware of politicians who can get away with anything and seem to have voters in the palm of their hands.

82. jOsh August 21st, 2008 6:12 am

    well i think you’re all missing a few thing from the episode that took me by suprise well to start off with wat shockd me most was the betrayal of diethart the guy was originally all for zero conquring the world!!!! UNTIL that moment but i was in tears of laughter when rolo saved lelu Diethart was having to eat his words.

    But seriously although u might not buy it, wat rolo did was courages like seriously watta machine did u see that geass he was popping!!!!! he was in a Guren based on the perfect defense n he was destroying knightmares from everywhere and even ended up saving lelu like we’ve all hated Rolo atleast once but ive gotta say he pulled through this episode RIP ROlo…….

    lelu played it ko0l in the end, we all know that he isnt the 1 to drop an opportunity, and if he is going to b dining in hell so0on theres no doubt that the emperors coming with him its all about how its gunna happen!!!!!

    In saying that ive got 2 say Kallen has 2 stay on his side shes simply a freak wen it comes to combat i don’t know wat zero would do without her n it wouldnt suprise me if diehart came bak 2 cause i simply wasnt convinced with his performance trading bak to britannia…

    Now suzaku is of the chain i think his characters going to turn into the knight of rounds that died in this episode the vampire dude. suzaku is just gunna be seeking blood but whos now that the black knights are goooone???????or are they?????

    But seriously countn down for the next ep cant wait

83. Neco August 21st, 2008 11:59 am

    Well said,guys.I shall say some of your comments could probably be true.

84. Nec0 August 21st, 2008 12:05 pm

    Well said,guys.I shall say your comment could probably be true.

85. John Walker August 23rd, 2008 5:47 pm

    Well, Zero can now focus only on his goal. But, one little problem… The primary antagonist is immortal. Lelouch has to attain complete mastery of his Geass to kill daddy dearest. So, it’s one or the other. Now going to Hell side by side.

86. chiKaKo September 6th, 2008 6:52 am

    does anyone know the title of soundtrack that played in this Code Geass R2 ep.19 (start at 18:45, & end at 20:25)??

    the soundtrack -> slow girl voice with music box.

    plz help me..
    i need the title n the singer of that music, so i can download it..

87. Calawain September 6th, 2008 7:01 am

    @Chikako

    The title of the song is “If I Were A Bird” off the first R2 OST. However, the version on that released CD has no lyrics, just the music. Maybe on the second R2 OST they will have the lyrical version.

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