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	<title>Comments on: The Koihime Art of War Page 2: Zhao Yun</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Impz</title>
		<link>http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/07/19/the-koihime-art-of-war-page-2-zhao-yun/#comment-250825</link>
		<dc:creator>Impz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ex: If anything, the entrance of Diao Chan will result in an increased and unprecedented level of success for this show in my opinion. I mean, everyone likes a beautiful girl. Yes, Diao chan is very darn hot.

@LDC: Yes, just as having boobs in a show is not about it. Honestly, they are trying to make a feministic movement about the portrayal of boobs as a mother-like trait in women. In addition, the usage of many women who are well equipped to fight is to show that women are just as likely to be as strong as men who looked down on them, and still look hot and sexy and ... I can't go on anymore with my good conscience.

@Hasselich: And I never bothered with that show. That said, it never bothered trying to be ROTK. So it escapes my attention.

@Ominae: Oh, Ikki is more boob/panties all the time. It is comedy and ...boob/panties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ex: If anything, the entrance of Diao Chan will result in an increased and unprecedented level of success for this show in my opinion. I mean, everyone likes a beautiful girl. Yes, Diao chan is very darn hot.</p>
<p>@LDC: Yes, just as having boobs in a show is not about it. Honestly, they are trying to make a feministic movement about the portrayal of boobs as a mother-like trait in women. In addition, the usage of many women who are well equipped to fight is to show that women are just as likely to be as strong as men who looked down on them, and still look hot and sexy and &#8230; I can&#8217;t go on anymore with my good conscience.</p>
<p>@Hasselich: And I never bothered with that show. That said, it never bothered trying to be ROTK. So it escapes my attention.</p>
<p>@Ominae: Oh, Ikki is more boob/panties all the time. It is comedy and &#8230;boob/panties.</p>
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		<title>By: Ex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they wanted to be successful like Utawarerumono then they should of added in a male lead, since Hakuoro,in my opinion, made the show.</description>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.. an eroge-strat game in the style of Utawarerumono, even.  Danged small keyboard.</description>
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		<title>By: Ominae</title>
		<link>http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/07/19/the-koihime-art-of-war-page-2-zhao-yun/#comment-250746</link>
		<dc:creator>Ominae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my head's spinning. Reminds me of Ikki Tousen.</description>
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		<title>By: Haesslich</title>
		<link>http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/07/19/the-koihime-art-of-war-page-2-zhao-yun/#comment-250513</link>
		<dc:creator>Haesslich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Koihime - proof that Japan hates China?  Or a miserable excuse for an wrote in the style of Utarerumono?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Koihime - proof that Japan hates China?  Or a miserable excuse for an wrote in the style of Utarerumono?</p>
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		<title>By: LDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strike Witches is NOT all about panties with lolis, the panties shots took 2 seconds of the show totaly and peopels still focus only on that.
So yeah, the show is about lolis. In panties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strike Witches is NOT all about panties with lolis, the panties shots took 2 seconds of the show totaly and peopels still focus only on that.<br />
So yeah, the show is about lolis. In panties.</p>
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		<title>By: Ex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to look up the game because my interest peaked when impz mentioned about Diao chan. While going through the list i saw Zhang liao and thought to myself "hey s/he looks kinda nice." then i deflated with unhappiness when i remembered that he was a man, and the image of the dynasty warriors version of zhang liao popped into my mind.

Moving along something else caught my eye, something else that was not like the others indeed. I tried to look away but my eyes were caught, and were lost forever.

Indeed Diao chan needs to conquer them all. In fact im sure that she... is the only one with with the, uh, balls to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to look up the game because my interest peaked when impz mentioned about Diao chan. While going through the list i saw Zhang liao and thought to myself &#8220;hey s/he looks kinda nice.&#8221; then i deflated with unhappiness when i remembered that he was a man, and the image of the dynasty warriors version of zhang liao popped into my mind.</p>
<p>Moving along something else caught my eye, something else that was not like the others indeed. I tried to look away but my eyes were caught, and were lost forever.</p>
<p>Indeed Diao chan needs to conquer them all. In fact im sure that she&#8230; is the only one with with the, uh, balls to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Impz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Impz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@EvilDevil: I do not even want to watch that show when Shokkeru told me it's all about the panties with lolis. Gee. I am watching and blogging it just to bring hate. More like a chance to talk about ROTK history and point of interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@EvilDevil: I do not even want to watch that show when Shokkeru told me it&#8217;s all about the panties with lolis. Gee. I am watching and blogging it just to bring hate. More like a chance to talk about ROTK history and point of interests.</p>
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		<title>By: EvilDevil</title>
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		<dc:creator>EvilDevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Due to the fact that I am very spiteful that many of my favorite historical/fictional heroes have been mutilated into lolis"
Strike Witches's Charlotte Yeager (and few of the characters) is confusing the hell out of me... so you are not alone...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Due to the fact that I am very spiteful that many of my favorite historical/fictional heroes have been mutilated into lolis&#8221;<br />
Strike Witches&#8217;s Charlotte Yeager (and few of the characters) is confusing the hell out of me&#8230; so you are not alone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Impz</title>
		<link>http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/07/19/the-koihime-art-of-war-page-2-zhao-yun/#comment-250335</link>
		<dc:creator>Impz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ex: Oh, in the ravages of time, my favorite character is actually Zhang Liao too! I think the manga really makes him a very interesting character. On one hand, he can be vicious and devious in his means to get rid of his enemy. Yet, he is loyal to Lu Bu no matter what bullshit he pulls.

That, I feel, represents Zhang Liao completely in his faith and a little blind loyalty. I feel that despite the intelligence of Sima Zhao, he might have hastily judged Liu Shan since it is in fact the split of the Shu faction from within that results in Deng Ai and whoever to demolish them easily. In that case, it is very easy to assume that Liu Shan is no danger to his throne when Liu Shan probably knows that it is the beginning of the end.

Anyway, ya, it's all speculation.

@The Soujourner: NO, IT DIDN't! I think Diao Chan needs to conquer them all. Now, I really cannot wait for her...*cough cough* appearance in this anime. i am getting ready to burst into total laughter here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ex: Oh, in the ravages of time, my favorite character is actually Zhang Liao too! I think the manga really makes him a very interesting character. On one hand, he can be vicious and devious in his means to get rid of his enemy. Yet, he is loyal to Lu Bu no matter what bullshit he pulls.</p>
<p>That, I feel, represents Zhang Liao completely in his faith and a little blind loyalty. I feel that despite the intelligence of Sima Zhao, he might have hastily judged Liu Shan since it is in fact the split of the Shu faction from within that results in Deng Ai and whoever to demolish them easily. In that case, it is very easy to assume that Liu Shan is no danger to his throne when Liu Shan probably knows that it is the beginning of the end.</p>
<p>Anyway, ya, it&#8217;s all speculation.</p>
<p>@The Soujourner: NO, IT DIDN&#8217;t! I think Diao Chan needs to conquer them all. Now, I really cannot wait for her&#8230;*cough cough* appearance in this anime. i am getting ready to burst into total laughter here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Impz: Well one of the dissapointing things about the movie was that it was not very accurate to the correct historical side of things, but i guess they did this to try to make it into a good story. Although it didn't really bother me, it was still a good movie. I also don't really like Shu, they had some of best Generals though. I don't have much love for liu Bei either.He couldn't even raise his own spawn/child right and in the end it becomes the downfall of everything, it says something about his genes compared to the Cao or Sima or the Sun family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Impz: Well one of the dissapointing things about the movie was that it was not very accurate to the correct historical side of things, but i guess they did this to try to make it into a good story. Although it didn&#8217;t really bother me, it was still a good movie. I also don&#8217;t really like Shu, they had some of best Generals though. I don&#8217;t have much love for liu Bei either.He couldn&#8217;t even raise his own spawn/child right and in the end it becomes the downfall of everything, it says something about his genes compared to the Cao or Sima or the Sun family.</p>
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		<title>By: The Sojourner</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Sojourner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The journalist's instinct kicks in for Impz! 

Anyway the beauty of RoTK does not lie in telling the story of good vs. evil because it was never one in the first place. It is a clash of great minds in the midst of China's chaotic past and what makes it so awesome is the irony that none of the factions, despite each of them having so many talented people, succeeded in unifying China. And that is because Little Queen Ranka was the one to rule them all. Kira~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The journalist&#8217;s instinct kicks in for Impz! </p>
<p>Anyway the beauty of RoTK does not lie in telling the story of good vs. evil because it was never one in the first place. It is a clash of great minds in the midst of China&#8217;s chaotic past and what makes it so awesome is the irony that none of the factions, despite each of them having so many talented people, succeeded in unifying China. And that is because Little Queen Ranka was the one to rule them all. Kira~</p>
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		<title>By: Ex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Impz: Its really hard to say if what Liu Shan did was really a brilliantly concieved ploy to throw off his enemies, or just purely coincidental. You bring up a good point he did infact keep his household safe, but that can also be atributted to the fact that the Sima Zhao was more merciful than his blood seems to indicate.

Now before you can say that Liu Shan tricked Sima Zhao by acting a fool, lets not forget that he was the son of Sima Yi and the father of The Emperor of China. It can be said that he was not a foolish man, i'm sure if Liu shan was indeed putting on an act to trick him, Sima Zhao would at least be suspicious. However he paid no heed to him and his family because he analysed Liu Shan as an idiot and went on to conquer china.

But in the end its all speculation and opinion, really after all the main players of the Three kingdoms passed away my interest in the history went with them.

The Zhao Yun brain damage thing was just a joke :P altought it could of potentially answered some questions if it were true.

Also in Ravages of time, i wish they spent more time with developing Zhang liao's character. He's one of my favourites and the manga makes him out to be Teh Awesome as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Impz: Its really hard to say if what Liu Shan did was really a brilliantly concieved ploy to throw off his enemies, or just purely coincidental. You bring up a good point he did infact keep his household safe, but that can also be atributted to the fact that the Sima Zhao was more merciful than his blood seems to indicate.</p>
<p>Now before you can say that Liu Shan tricked Sima Zhao by acting a fool, lets not forget that he was the son of Sima Yi and the father of The Emperor of China. It can be said that he was not a foolish man, i&#8217;m sure if Liu shan was indeed putting on an act to trick him, Sima Zhao would at least be suspicious. However he paid no heed to him and his family because he analysed Liu Shan as an idiot and went on to conquer china.</p>
<p>But in the end its all speculation and opinion, really after all the main players of the Three kingdoms passed away my interest in the history went with them.</p>
<p>The Zhao Yun brain damage thing was just a joke <img src='http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> altought it could of potentially answered some questions if it were true.</p>
<p>Also in Ravages of time, i wish they spent more time with developing Zhang liao&#8217;s character. He&#8217;s one of my favourites and the manga makes him out to be Teh Awesome as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Impz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Impz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@EX: Actually, there has been constant dispute whether Liu Shan is really the useless child that he is. If anything, some historians have argued that Liu Shan inherited the people's skills of his father, and feigned weakness as the Shu faction was already a much weakened force by the incisions by Zhuge Liang and Jiang Wei.

Before you completely dismiss this argument, let's see it from a few of my own opinions. If Liu Shan is really an useless ruler without any care about anything, even if he is pardoned, he would have probably sent his family and household into slaughter eventually. The fact that his household is safe and sound for a few generations might indicate some wisdom on his part, in order to manage the two differing factions of Li Yan (I think) and Jiang Wei after Zhuge Liang's death. 

The thing about Zhao Yun that caused permanent brain damage is generally folklore, if you ask me (the romanticized version). I cannot verify that, and I will need more information on it.

About the Ravages of time, I think that the kid emperor is rather impressive. Of course, he knows that he will be a puppet to whichever ruler that he goes under, but at least they fleshed him out as one that knows how to protect his kin while being ruled by Cao cao for the Han dynasty. I think it did take a long time but the most current book, book 30, is already at the point where Cao cao is about to go for his northern conquest of Yuan Shao. I am more than excited to see how Chen Mou goes about his writing.

I agree with you on Shu's popularity by the common people. It is rather true. Dynasty Warriors is an over exaggeration of everything, but it does make Liu Bei the most righteous being ever in the world. No comments on that, rofl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@EX: Actually, there has been constant dispute whether Liu Shan is really the useless child that he is. If anything, some historians have argued that Liu Shan inherited the people&#8217;s skills of his father, and feigned weakness as the Shu faction was already a much weakened force by the incisions by Zhuge Liang and Jiang Wei.</p>
<p>Before you completely dismiss this argument, let&#8217;s see it from a few of my own opinions. If Liu Shan is really an useless ruler without any care about anything, even if he is pardoned, he would have probably sent his family and household into slaughter eventually. The fact that his household is safe and sound for a few generations might indicate some wisdom on his part, in order to manage the two differing factions of Li Yan (I think) and Jiang Wei after Zhuge Liang&#8217;s death. </p>
<p>The thing about Zhao Yun that caused permanent brain damage is generally folklore, if you ask me (the romanticized version). I cannot verify that, and I will need more information on it.</p>
<p>About the Ravages of time, I think that the kid emperor is rather impressive. Of course, he knows that he will be a puppet to whichever ruler that he goes under, but at least they fleshed him out as one that knows how to protect his kin while being ruled by Cao cao for the Han dynasty. I think it did take a long time but the most current book, book 30, is already at the point where Cao cao is about to go for his northern conquest of Yuan Shao. I am more than excited to see how Chen Mou goes about his writing.</p>
<p>I agree with you on Shu&#8217;s popularity by the common people. It is rather true. Dynasty Warriors is an over exaggeration of everything, but it does make Liu Bei the most righteous being ever in the world. No comments on that, rofl.</p>
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		<title>By: Ex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Impz: I've also read the manga The Ravages of Time, and i have to say they do portray some of the characters in a very different light than others. The fact that they even had a portrayal of the Kid Emperor when Dong zhou was in power struck me as a very original. My only criticism of the manga would be that its spending a lot of time in the early stages of the three kingdoms Era, and since this story seems to revolve around Sima Yi, it will take a long while to get through everyhing.

One of the major reasons that, i personally, think that Shu is said to have some of the best Generals is because that Guan Yu became a wide know Deity through China this elevated shu's generals and also Liu Bei's position as the Elder Brother and virtuous Leader. This is also one of the reasons why a lot of people always put Shu as the saviors of the people and Cao Cao the greatest Evil known to man.

Althought there is almost no historically acurracy in the game, Dynasty Warriors, i can't help but admit that the game has swayed my opinion on some of the characters (Such as Zhao yun and Cao pi)which makes Liu Bei the most righteous thing ever since...the last Righteous thing ever.

Regarding his son, regardless of whether it was because he was man-handled by Zhao Yun as a child which caused permanent brain damage or (acording to the book)the fact that his dad tossed him aside which caused permanent brain damage. When Liu bei died his Son was 16 years old, in those times he was virtually an adult and given the life style he lived, its was Liu Bei's fault for not steering him in the right course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Impz: I&#8217;ve also read the manga The Ravages of Time, and i have to say they do portray some of the characters in a very different light than others. The fact that they even had a portrayal of the Kid Emperor when Dong zhou was in power struck me as a very original. My only criticism of the manga would be that its spending a lot of time in the early stages of the three kingdoms Era, and since this story seems to revolve around Sima Yi, it will take a long while to get through everyhing.</p>
<p>One of the major reasons that, i personally, think that Shu is said to have some of the best Generals is because that Guan Yu became a wide know Deity through China this elevated shu&#8217;s generals and also Liu Bei&#8217;s position as the Elder Brother and virtuous Leader. This is also one of the reasons why a lot of people always put Shu as the saviors of the people and Cao Cao the greatest Evil known to man.</p>
<p>Althought there is almost no historically acurracy in the game, Dynasty Warriors, i can&#8217;t help but admit that the game has swayed my opinion on some of the characters (Such as Zhao yun and Cao pi)which makes Liu Bei the most righteous thing ever since&#8230;the last Righteous thing ever.</p>
<p>Regarding his son, regardless of whether it was because he was man-handled by Zhao Yun as a child which caused permanent brain damage or (acording to the book)the fact that his dad tossed him aside which caused permanent brain damage. When Liu bei died his Son was 16 years old, in those times he was virtually an adult and given the life style he lived, its was Liu Bei&#8217;s fault for not steering him in the right course.</p>
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