Comments on: Toshokan Sensou and LOL LOGIC

By: kai

kai — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 07:03:52 +0000

Okaaaaayyy.

I agree with you on certain points, but not on others.

Firstly, the CENTRAL government passed the Media enhancement act, some LOCAL governments stand against them, and created the Library freedom act. Two different funding’s, I was confused at first too.

Secondly, in episode 2 when those bullets were fired, only three men went down if you look, Library people came onto the scene to dispose of the rest.

I agree with the ‘last person shouldn’t be carrying the package’ completely, but maybe he was the last to get up there, I can let that go, as well as the media guys carelessness. Someone else up there said that it was for defense against an ambush, but maybe it should have been the 2nd last guy so there’d be someone to cover him.

The mobile thing, ok, they can’t have walkie talkies, too loud, but that tiny light ain’t gonna make a difference in a residential area with street lights, there’s a risk, but not too great.
If it were in an unlit field I’d be yelling.

I reckon ep 2 is the most illogical, and yes they should have paid more care. Kasahara should not have given her ammo to Tezuka, he probably had some, and then she was left unarmed.

But, here’s my main argument, they had so little episodes, they probably tried to make it as exciting as possible without spending too much effort, they couldn’t afford it. And they’d never make a hit series with 12 episodes.

Just try not to criticize, and you’ll find that the characters are really enjoyable, this is my first army anime, so I’m cutting it some slack. If you’re too cynical, it’ll sap your enjoyment for everything.

I fully understand your complaints, there are days when I feel like that, but I still love the ideals and characters enough to spend my bandwidth downloading it.

Also, you’re being a little hypocritical, you obviously didn’t pay enough attention to the show because 1. Your arguments are a little ungrounded, and 2. you don’t even get the names right.

This shows that you probably only watched these eps once, got irritated and wrote this shortly after. I’ve done the same thing, only I don’t post it, because I know it’ll be inaccurate. Good job pointing some stuff out, but it does depress certain fans.

I myself don’t know whether to love or be irritated by this show, so I just have fun, letting it entertain me for a few days. (Yes, I rushed through it.)

So maybe watch a few more, this isn’t a dead serious thing like Death Note, FMA, or the like, so you can let logic go a bit, and laugh when it gets stupid.

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By: Ominae

Ominae — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:33:55 +0000

Just a tidbit, the SMGs the LDF forces used were Minebea PM-9s, based on the IWI Mini-Uzi. They’re being replaced as we speak, with MP5s as the sole candidate.

By: Spiderbait

Spiderbait — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:48:25 +0000

First, foliage can be used as simple cover to just make sure the enemy doesn’t know exactly where you are when he’s firing. Are you going to say the same thing about the soldiers in Band of brothers that hid behind bushes on opposite sides of a field? Or the random armed persons that hide behind bars, tables and other wooden objects when bullets should be able to penetrate them.
Second, Having the bag stay up on the roof until the last person went down is a logical thing since if they get ambushed on the ground they would want the last person to be able to escape with the bag and if someone came on the roof he could throw it down and the others could grab it and flee. I have to admit though that the fact that there was no one on the ground to grab it was stupid.
Third, the container containing the copied books for the MIA was a good idea since it was not so that they could celebrate it as a smashing success but so they could save face by telling the media that they captured one of the three containers that the library defence force was trying to escape with.
Fourth, the snipers meant that if they were to shoot the soldiers directly they would see that their position was compromised and would move their trucks closer, fire on the snipers, fight more agressively or call for heavy reinforcements. but why didn’t you ask why they all for some reason use sub-machine guns instead of automatic rifles even though they practice with the latter and why they don’t seem to have any explosives such as grenades or rocket launcher or at least didn’t use them against those flimsy cars.
Fifth, they used the cell-phone because they had no other choice. And they were discovered because of it.

By: Wild Goose

Wild Goose — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:34:19 +0000

Regarding the whole issue of parliament passing the both the MEA and LLA laws, what most people here seem to be forgetting is that the Diet, as in all parliaments, is not under the total control of the government – it would have a fair number of Opposition MPs. The likeliest senario is that the Japanese Govt passed the MEA, and the Opposition lawmakers brought forth the LLA, and received the support of Government backbenchers, resulting in enough votes for the LLA to be passed. Similar circumstances have happened before.

Regarding the guy using the foliage as cover: if using foliage as cover is stupid, then why was the jungle foliage of Vietnam so good at stopping 5.56mm NATO rounds used by the M16? ;D The primary purpose of foliage is as concealment; you use it to break up your outline. And while foliage won’t stop modern 7.62mm rounds, it can slow down 5.56mm rifle rounds… and the Library Task Force are using 9mm Stery TMP submachineguns. In his situation, he’s making the best use of a bad situation. There’s no hard cover, so he’s using foliage because it’s his best option, and note that the MCF boys are wearing military-grade body armor; even if he gets hit with a 9mm round, so long as it’s not in the head, it ain’t gonna kill him.

As for Genda’s orders for the snipers to supress the enemy snipers instead of killing them, it’s simple. The Library Task Force is in a bad situation. They can hold their own, but they’re outnumbered. Escalate the situation into a full-on open war with the MCF and the MCF will steamroller them with more guns, more troops, more ammo – and let’s not forget that while the LTF is funded by the prefectural governments, the MCF is funded by the federal government, which means they have more recruits and more cash for more gear. Why else are the LTF using the cheaper Steyr TMP compared to the MP5s used by the MCF?

I’ve gotta run to work, so I’ll continue this later…

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By: Susie Q

Susie Q — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:42:57 +0000

Some of the commenters had good points- and I think while you said Library War takes place in “our world” that’s partly not true- it’s “Japan’s world” so they do have some slightly different cultural ideas about what war is and how you fight it. Like in Death Note most of the suspense is mind games and they make decisions that might seem strange, but are made because they care so much about “keeping up their image” or presenting themselves to others based on things that are important in Japan but not really other places. So in Library War it probably makes sense that it’s actually important to “make a show” of the fights for the public. And both sides know this. So while they’re fighting, there are a lot more rules and it sort of looks more coordinated b/w the 2 sides- like the Library “shows” they are leaving something for the MIA, and the MIA “shows” they are following the laws.

But, I agree that some of the tactical plans/details seem kind of dumb…but then large military forces are kind of bureaucracies (sp?) so no high expectations there…

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By: DrmChsr0

DrmChsr0 — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:28:40 +0000

You’re right.

I should disregard your hate-filled rhetortic.

Take your meds lupus.