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		<title>By: Ryan A</title>
		<link>http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/04/23/no-no-thats-not-where-youre-meant-to-look/#comment-212698</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was a periodical which ran many variety of stories, would the branding be as solid. SJ, we know SJ and La-La, since the series "feel" similar, though could be entirely different. ^^ branding</description>
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		<title>By: Retsgip&#8217;s Anime Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bleach - 168 - Fill &#8216;er up!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Retsgip&#8217;s Anime Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bleach - 168 - Fill &#8216;er up!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the future seven, it is absolutely sexy, visuals and song. Also thanks to my old friend, Lupus over at that anime blog for referencing my shipping post. I want to have Lupilicious dreams about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the future seven, it is absolutely sexy, visuals and song. Also thanks to my old friend, Lupus over at that anime blog for referencing my shipping post. I want to have Lupilicious dreams about [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Kabitzin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kabitzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it sounds like there is either a nesting or a spacing issue with lists and blockquotes.  I would have made the comments work first too, in Riex's situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it sounds like there is either a nesting or a spacing issue with lists and blockquotes.  I would have made the comments work first too, in Riex&#8217;s situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Riex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disabling the blockquote was the only way I could get the comments to style properly with the base structure of the theme. It was the biggest, most aggravating thing about the entire deal, and I haven't had the motivation nor patience to go back and fix it.

It basically came down to a choice between proper comments or proper blockquotes.  I chose comments.

There are several little "bugs" in the theme that I know of and plan on fixing. I had been waiting until we upgraded to 2.5 (in case the theme went haywire or something) and now I will begin to, little by little, tweak things.

Like I HATE the way that this theme does lists...it's freaking horrible. Just go look at the ones above...ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disabling the blockquote was the only way I could get the comments to style properly with the base structure of the theme. It was the biggest, most aggravating thing about the entire deal, and I haven&#8217;t had the motivation nor patience to go back and fix it.</p>
<p>It basically came down to a choice between proper comments or proper blockquotes.  I chose comments.</p>
<p>There are several little &#8220;bugs&#8221; in the theme that I know of and plan on fixing. I had been waiting until we upgraded to 2.5 (in case the theme went haywire or something) and now I will begin to, little by little, tweak things.</p>
<p>Like I HATE the way that this theme does lists&#8230;it&#8217;s freaking horrible. Just go look at the ones above&#8230;ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Lupus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lupus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike: You can start by looking at shows/manga that isn't shounen.  Rather then hope, there is only despair in shounen.  Now maybe if you were shipping one of the main characters, then there could be a tiny sliver of hope.

If you knew that Kimikiss was based on a bishoujo dating visual novel, then maybe your expectations would have been tempered to not expect so much out of it.  Or maybe it's just J.C. Staff fucking up... how many anime REALLY ends satisfactorily?

Bluemist: You shouldn't make it the focus of a discussion.  You don't have to use it in a discussion at all.  They're probably best left for personal use - in helping you narrow down your choices, and in helping you shape your expectations.  When used in a discussion, a debate about whether the classification is right or not could arise, but people who focus on that instead of on the subject itself are just pricks.

JP: The keyword is 'often', which is why I then cited Genshiken as an example that isn't just shounen with tits and blood.  There are probably about equal parts tits-and-blood (e.g. Claymore, Beserk, Tenjou Tenge) and not-tits-and-blood (e.g. REAL, Mushishi, Team Medical Dragon) seinen out there.  One can write a whole post on how to finely divvy up the genres or sub-genres, but I just wanted to say that you can't outright dismiss trying to compartmentalize the genres altogether, because the authors/magazines intend it to happen and it can be done.

Actually now that I think about it, what I said was wrong.  Yeah, there are shounen with a romantic focus, and a lot more with overt romantic elements.  Maybe I should go kill myself now.

Kaibitzin: Yeah, Zaitcev had a look when I was whinging about it in IRC this afternoon, and he said the whole blockquote definition thing just wasn't there in the stylesheet.

L-chan: go to the link that says Darkshaunz and post your comment there.  He's the one that came up with the analogy, and I'm sure he'll really like your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: You can start by looking at shows/manga that isn&#8217;t shounen.  Rather then hope, there is only despair in shounen.  Now maybe if you were shipping one of the main characters, then there could be a tiny sliver of hope.</p>
<p>If you knew that Kimikiss was based on a bishoujo dating visual novel, then maybe your expectations would have been tempered to not expect so much out of it.  Or maybe it&#8217;s just J.C. Staff fucking up&#8230; how many anime REALLY ends satisfactorily?</p>
<p>Bluemist: You shouldn&#8217;t make it the focus of a discussion.  You don&#8217;t have to use it in a discussion at all.  They&#8217;re probably best left for personal use - in helping you narrow down your choices, and in helping you shape your expectations.  When used in a discussion, a debate about whether the classification is right or not could arise, but people who focus on that instead of on the subject itself are just pricks.</p>
<p>JP: The keyword is &#8216;often&#8217;, which is why I then cited Genshiken as an example that isn&#8217;t just shounen with tits and blood.  There are probably about equal parts tits-and-blood (e.g. Claymore, Beserk, Tenjou Tenge) and not-tits-and-blood (e.g. REAL, Mushishi, Team Medical Dragon) seinen out there.  One can write a whole post on how to finely divvy up the genres or sub-genres, but I just wanted to say that you can&#8217;t outright dismiss trying to compartmentalize the genres altogether, because the authors/magazines intend it to happen and it can be done.</p>
<p>Actually now that I think about it, what I said was wrong.  Yeah, there are shounen with a romantic focus, and a lot more with overt romantic elements.  Maybe I should go kill myself now.</p>
<p>Kaibitzin: Yeah, Zaitcev had a look when I was whinging about it in IRC this afternoon, and he said the whole blockquote definition thing just wasn&#8217;t there in the stylesheet.</p>
<p>L-chan: go to the link that says Darkshaunz and post your comment there.  He&#8217;s the one that came up with the analogy, and I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll really like your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: L-chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>L-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahahaha! I love the cookie jar analogy there. It's so true. And if I may add to it, we have a similar situation in shoujo, but unlike shonen where all we get is a stool in the average shoujo we get a step-ladder, but a rather rickety one that often wobbles and destroys our confidence to get to the cookie jar. And sometimes we'll GET the cookie jar, only to have it cruelly snatched out of our hands, then given it back, then snatched away again, etc. And, often as not, there's an equally tempting jar of candy next to the cookie jar that will vy for our attention. 

Just because Bleach isn't romance-central doesn't mean that a shonen action/adventure can't have romance and do it right, however. Look at Rurouni Kenshin. We got all the action and blood one could ask for, and we still got a warm and fuzzy romantic ending!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahaha! I love the cookie jar analogy there. It&#8217;s so true. And if I may add to it, we have a similar situation in shoujo, but unlike shonen where all we get is a stool in the average shoujo we get a step-ladder, but a rather rickety one that often wobbles and destroys our confidence to get to the cookie jar. And sometimes we&#8217;ll GET the cookie jar, only to have it cruelly snatched out of our hands, then given it back, then snatched away again, etc. And, often as not, there&#8217;s an equally tempting jar of candy next to the cookie jar that will vy for our attention. </p>
<p>Just because Bleach isn&#8217;t romance-central doesn&#8217;t mean that a shonen action/adventure can&#8217;t have romance and do it right, however. Look at Rurouni Kenshin. We got all the action and blood one could ask for, and we still got a warm and fuzzy romantic ending!</p>
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		<title>By: Kabitzin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kabitzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorta off-topic, but blockquote doesn't work in the comments either.  It must need to be defined properly in the CSS stylesheet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorta off-topic, but blockquote doesn&#8217;t work in the comments either.  It must need to be defined properly in the CSS stylesheet.</p>
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		<title>By: BUNBUNGIRL</title>
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		<dc:creator>BUNBUNGIRL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. Is the Japanese animated cartoon good?
Your site is interesting for me
I want to often visit your site from now on.
If you are interested in Anime, please link to my site. 
 My site has information about Japanese culture 
(For example, Japanese manga, animation, games). 
Would you introduce information（URL）in your site if you like it?
http://japanesefood-cultuer-history-anime.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Is the Japanese animated cartoon good?<br />
Your site is interesting for me<br />
I want to often visit your site from now on.<br />
If you are interested in Anime, please link to my site.<br />
 My site has information about Japanese culture<br />
(For example, Japanese manga, animation, games).<br />
Would you introduce information（URL）in your site if you like it?<br />
<a href="http://japanesefood-cultuer-history-anime.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://japanesefood-cultuer-history-anime.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jpmeyer</title>
		<link>http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/04/23/no-no-thats-not-where-youre-meant-to-look/#comment-212392</link>
		<dc:creator>jpmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But here's the problem:  Boys Be IS about romance rather than friendship.  Seinen isn't shounen plus tits and blood.  You know what manga ran in a seinen magazine?  Chi's Sweet Home, Rozen Maiden, Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, and You're Under Arrest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But here&#8217;s the problem:  Boys Be IS about romance rather than friendship.  Seinen isn&#8217;t shounen plus tits and blood.  You know what manga ran in a seinen magazine?  Chi&#8217;s Sweet Home, Rozen Maiden, Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, and You&#8217;re Under Arrest.</p>
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		<title>By: bluemist</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, in a discussion, you try not to make the defined genre the issue itself. Just say it's shoujo or shounen and be done with it, discuss the anime instead of the genre that you defined it as, or people define it as, or it is defined as.

Sometimes I don't like people who nitpick to me, for example, in an online forum, when I talk about "bishoujo game", someone would reply and say blah blah about how it's not a bishoujo game. They would say terms to me like dating sim/visual novel/eroge/galge/ADV/RPG, etc. and I say "WTF, I'm trying to talk about the game here, not what thing it -specifically- is". 

That's why I also avoid terms like seinen and josei because they are too specific, it's better to leave it be as shounen and shoujo, then talk whatever you want about the anime or manga.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, in a discussion, you try not to make the defined genre the issue itself. Just say it&#8217;s shoujo or shounen and be done with it, discuss the anime instead of the genre that you defined it as, or people define it as, or it is defined as.</p>
<p>Sometimes I don&#8217;t like people who nitpick to me, for example, in an online forum, when I talk about &#8220;bishoujo game&#8221;, someone would reply and say blah blah about how it&#8217;s not a bishoujo game. They would say terms to me like dating sim/visual novel/eroge/galge/ADV/RPG, etc. and I say &#8220;WTF, I&#8217;m trying to talk about the game here, not what thing it -specifically- is&#8221;. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I also avoid terms like seinen and josei because they are too specific, it&#8217;s better to leave it be as shounen and shoujo, then talk whatever you want about the anime or manga.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title was intriguing, so I clicked the link on AnimeNano. Then I realized you wrote it, Lupus. Thence, I needed to read the article. 

Expectations have often destroyed my perceptions regarding anime. I finished Kimikiss a few weeks ago, and while it was a great anime series chronicling the tragedies and triumphs of high school romances (directed no less by Kasai Kenichi), its ending was weak. Because I expected the series to up the ante until it exploded in an orgiastic victory, I was very disappointed. Not only did mummy spank my ass, she also made me kneel on salt and fed me hot sauce. It was such a disappointment. 

However, &lt;em&gt;where else can you look&lt;/em&gt;? You can look no further than what is presented, and even if deep down one knows these shippings and these hopes are doomed to failure (as you've very saliently pointed out - they're not meant to be seen in shounen), one cannot avoid looking and putting meaning. 'Perhaps' is a very powerful word, and it is this 'perhaps' that drives impossibilities into possibilities. 

Nemu will probably die. She hasn't received any development in the last two hundred chapters or so (I think), and she's not central to the plot at all. But since she's there, and because there is a possibility: there is a perhaps, I'll hope. 

And 'hope' is infinitely more powerful than the more sober 'perhaps'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title was intriguing, so I clicked the link on AnimeNano. Then I realized you wrote it, Lupus. Thence, I needed to read the article. </p>
<p>Expectations have often destroyed my perceptions regarding anime. I finished Kimikiss a few weeks ago, and while it was a great anime series chronicling the tragedies and triumphs of high school romances (directed no less by Kasai Kenichi), its ending was weak. Because I expected the series to up the ante until it exploded in an orgiastic victory, I was very disappointed. Not only did mummy spank my ass, she also made me kneel on salt and fed me hot sauce. It was such a disappointment. </p>
<p>However, <em>where else can you look</em>? You can look no further than what is presented, and even if deep down one knows these shippings and these hopes are doomed to failure (as you&#8217;ve very saliently pointed out - they&#8217;re not meant to be seen in shounen), one cannot avoid looking and putting meaning. &#8216;Perhaps&#8217; is a very powerful word, and it is this &#8216;perhaps&#8217; that drives impossibilities into possibilities. </p>
<p>Nemu will probably die. She hasn&#8217;t received any development in the last two hundred chapters or so (I think), and she&#8217;s not central to the plot at all. But since she&#8217;s there, and because there is a possibility: there is a perhaps, I&#8217;ll hope. </p>
<p>And &#8216;hope&#8217; is infinitely more powerful than the more sober &#8216;perhaps&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: TP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, said, Lupus. It's something that has been on my mind for quite some time, thank you for officially writing this down for the record.

Speaking of which, my only 2 cents' worth of commentary is: to each his/her own. I prefer this variety because, biologically speaking, variety inhibits the dangers of homogenity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, said, Lupus. It&#8217;s something that has been on my mind for quite some time, thank you for officially writing this down for the record.</p>
<p>Speaking of which, my only 2 cents&#8217; worth of commentary is: to each his/her own. I prefer this variety because, biologically speaking, variety inhibits the dangers of homogenity.</p>
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