
No one’s leering your highness, but we all bask in thine elegant glow.
While its been a long while since Stripey posted his thoughts on fanservice and its place in anime, I find that after seeing a recent film called Juno that while Stripey has a point about proper dosage and chilli my gripe with it still remains. No I am not so high minded that I don’t enjoy the stuff once in a while, but that still doesn’t make fanservice in the form of ecchiness as is the norm now either elegant or subtle. Sure it can make the more hormonal driven and younger men passionate about their favorite bishoujo, but nakkid (low) fanservice is about as subtle as a bomb. In your face crap would be akin to a carpet bombing while well done (high) fanservice, like in FMP Fumoffu, would be like GPS guided ordinance.
Perhaps being exposed to military mishaps, and stories of relationships gone wrong by many an E-6 and above has made me less prone to act on looks alone. It may have also addled my mind to the point that I am very much less than sane compared to some of the worldly bloggers in this great and grand blogosphere. Given that my childhood heroes were German generals who pretty much devoted their lives to war and victory above all else (family be damned) I find that dealing with women solely for the sake of breeding and nookie ranks pretty low on my totem pole of priorities, way under graduating from college, finding a job, and getting promoted to a higher pay grade. I can appreciate beauty but in the long run my desire for financial security has thus far beaten out my genetic inclination to create spawn or practice creating spawn. If faced with the choice between having a harem of bishoujos and scrawling my name upon the pages of history with the blood of my enemies, I am one of the few who would opt for the latter. Suffice to say my higher brain functions are governed by a need to kill rather than breed as such it takes a bit more to bring out the fanboy within.

Remember this hair cut? Makes me wish our lady kept her long hair and old habits…
Perhaps low fanservice, or fanservice involving nudity, does have a place for younger people, but as the years go by I find it harder to laugh or cheer when that nubile teenager runs about half naked or lies in the sack half naked. The older I get the more if find myself being sickened by low fanservice. I cannot help but feel that low fanservice is a disservice as a whole, as it relies on imagery that caters to the baser instincts in the audience rather than genuinely tugging on heartstrings. In ef~a Tale of Memories I did not really want to see Chihiro’s nether regions up close and personal. In fact it made me feel like some unscrupulous voyeur invading their moment of intimacy. I don’t mind that they were intimate I just would have preferred if the whole scene was less intrusive.

Not all fanservice needs to include bare breasts and nakkid asses. If you loved Admiral Spoor you know why this made your day way back when.
For me almost every typical moe bishoujo looks pretty much same depending on the category, be it over endowed women to flat lolis. Given that looks are pretty much the same across the board one of the greatest things that distinguishes Bishoujo A from Bishoujo B. Cry if you must about the little things like that special ribbon but anime styles are pretty much consistent with big saucer eyes, colored hair, short skirts, and small or nonexistent nose. That said the thing that distinguishes one anime bishoujo from another is what they do.

Despite his love of things half nude, I am sure that Stripey remembers this more than any trite nakkid joke.
I firmly believe that while aesthetics play apart, stupidity is the greatest killer of beauty. I am not so shallow to think that having a nice decoration is sufficient. Louise, Christina, and Sumeragi of Gundam 00 are among the most recent offenders in this case. Sure they are all lookers, but Louise is useless, Christina a craven coward, and Sumeragi a heretic who has blasphemed against centuries of naval tradition (My views are heavily influenced by Prussian ethics so it is blasphemous to me, even if you find such flaws as “moe”). Starfish girl from Clannad for me is about as interesting as watching some one picking their nose. Incompetence is probably next with the lack of cooking skills being the most over abused bishoujo “flaw.” Perhaps it’s my own hard earned experience with cooking for my self as an outgrowth of my tight fisted heavy handed miserly fiscal policies, but I know that it takes a hell of a lot fucktastophes to mess up a hamburger. In this light since the dumb and the useless often end up being the biggest low fanservice machines, it makes me liken low fanservice as the last, but often the first, refuge of inept or incompetent writers who have a gross lack of imagination when it comes to dialog or character development. Nevertheless I find that so long as a character is a low fanservice machine all major faults are forgiven so long as the nearly nude or strategically placed ribbon fashion show continues.

Simply epic and nary a misplaced mammary gland to be found.
Back to Juno, the heroine in that film was the plucky young woman of 16 years, Juno MacGuff. She has intercourse with a boy and ends up pregnant, the usual outcome when you have unprotected intercourse. Now I know that some people out there find this some how titillating, but as a rule most people would never leer at a pregnant woman. However Juno carries herself with an air of bravado and witty remarks. She is not in the traditional sense sexy in any sense of the word, but her remarks and attitude make her all the more endearing. Juno took her situation in a stride instead of the tried and true emo path in anime that sickens me to the core. I’ll speak no more in the hopes that a few readers will go watch the film, but in anime is the plain otome with spunk the one that we sing lays of? I would think not as low fanservice machines like Sumeragi and Wang garner much more adoration in the otaku fandom than say Haruhi Fujioka of Ouran Host Club.
Sure low fanservice can make a bishoujo sexier in a way, but actions and witty remarks (high fanservice) make a bishoujo even sexier in my opinion. Sure our esteemed Lady Suzumiya Haruhi did look most stunning as a bunny girl, but I am sure her biting of Mikuru-ran’s ear was even more gawk worthy by a factor of 1000. Kyon Imouto will be remembered for loli in a bag instead of being half naked anywhere else. The Patron Saint of THAT Tsuruya never gallivanted half naked, yet she earned her place elegantly with her fang, mannerisms, and deliciously sneaky methods of operating a festival café. Even Hauptman Katsura of School Days was far more endearing when she was fully dressed as she ruthlessly dealt with Sekai than half naked and desperately clinging to Itou.

I do not ever want so see Nagato lower herself in some trite nudie joke. However I would KILL to see St. Nagatochi look this dignified again.
While Stripey would argue that running about half naked is at times funny and enhances appeal. I disagree since it reduces a once favored bishoujo into a centerfold, while partially appealing it is not all that respectable. One of the reasons I liked Crest of the Stars was because it did not ruin it all with a bloody beach episode or have Admiral Spoor gallivant around in some skimpy outfit. Even when her fanservice time came Admiral Spoor did not bear it all like some half witted floozy, nay that was beneath her. Nevertheless she looked just darling in her elegant pajamas with her hair down. However Admiral Spoor built her loyal fan base not with a fashion show, but with a distinguished military career, a few quirky eccentricities, and elegance. I don’t think that almost nude or even fully nude looks in any way dignified. However a strapless dress does make a bishoujo much more radiant under the right circumstances.
Ecchi fanservice (low fanservice) is in my opinion the laziest way to go about building adoration. To animate a half naked girl requires less effort than crafting a witty remark that does not involve the word “baka.” Even designing a dress takes a sense of style not found amongst unwashed pervs anime staffers. I am not demanding that low fanservice be eliminated, but I am hoping that one day it will be strictly secondary to things like wit, bravado, elegance, determination, relentlessness, and even ruthlessness. Any idiot can strip down and runabout half naked, but charm is a sword that needs to be refined and honed. Beauty is fleeting, charm is eternal. Sure nudity is only for “mature” audiences, but in actuality it is pretty juvenile how otakudom can and does froth over scantily clad bishoujos in lingerie. There is nothing wrong with it being juvenile but I don’t think that we can pretend that it is anything more than a way to try and grab our “attention.”

With that Mikuru showed that she was more than what she let on, and no costume rape involved!
I agree that fanservice is supposed to incite fanboyism and passion, but I honestly prefer having it done without using crude methods such as nudity. Loli-in-a-bag was just that, high fanservice that overawed the viewer. I liked Mikuru for being Haruhi-sama’s moe fashion model, but I adored her patented wink because it proved that she was capable of witty remarks. Admiral Nagatochi made the fanboy within demand a sci-fi spin off. To this day I fervently hope that Haruhi-sama will grow her hair to a longer length. Admiral Spoor had forever earned a place in my anime list of top commanders, I adored her before she was called up before her bedtime, I was overawed by her impeccable fashion sense. Lasting fanboyism depends on high fanservice that is burned into the human memory banks not cheap tricks meant as fap fodder. Despite this high fanservice remains scarce while low fanservice abounds. Low fanservice is hardly worth praise given how it pales in comparison to the win and awesome of the Mikuru wink or loli-in-a-bag. As a vehicle for humor even if you find low fanservice funny it is a Ford Pinto compared to the Ferrari F-40 that is high fanservice. The former is crap and might explode, the latter requires effort to build and care to maintain. Ecchi is so ubiquitous that any bishoujo who is used in such a joke comes off as exceedingly average. It hints at a lack of intelligence to use one’s body instead of one’s head to win the objective. Average bishoujos engage in placing boobs on the face of some doormat, for those that excel such low brow methods are beneath them. I don’t buy the notion that having a less than fully dressed Tsuruya would make her “sexy,” but promote her as a new admiral in the next SOS fleet engagement, that’s something else. Besides that pony tail was all she needed.
It is true that low fanservice is like chili (if you use a food analogy) as Stripey says, but any one can lazily squirt it on and at least some one will find it palatable. However high fanservice methods of inciting adoration of bishoujos using dialogue, actions, and subtlety are like salt. It requires care in application, careful preparation, and is essential to all foods as both spice and preservative. I am no Singaporean I don’t like chilli on everything, if I can do without it I would. Nevertheless ecchi fanservice has this nasty habit of worming its way into almost anything, in this regard it is like mold or cancer. Besides what kind of idiot puts chilli on his cheese cake and truffles?
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[…] at THAT Animeblog, an editorial by Crusader about low and high classes of fanservice generally reflects my own […]
Higher Grade Material, Please « The Pink Sylphide added these pithy words on Jan 01 08 at 8:42 pm[…] ever since i proclaim that I really dislike Fuuko (or Kotomi in a certain extent now). Reading Crusader’s entry on fanservice reminded me why I actually avoid cheap fanservice like the plague. As a partial reply […]
THAT Animeblog » Why is being a complete retard a moe trait? I need answers! added these pithy words on Jan 03 08 at 8:54 am[…] off Crusader’s post decrying excessive ecchi, Steven ruminates on fan service and puritanism: Seriously: I have to wonder whether some of this […]
Haibane.info » Blog Archive » not that there’s anything wrong with that added these pithy words on Jan 03 08 at 10:50 pm[…] I agree with the point of view of the recent posts about fanservice such as the one written by Crusader, the case here is that this isn’t exactly intended to be interpret as arousing fanservice. […]
THAT Animeblog » It’s Just Panties! - A Different View on Rosario + Vampire Ep. 1 added these pithy words on Jan 08 08 at 4:25 amI find myself on the same line of thoughts. Screw stupid fanservice. Sure they’re funny sometimes, but that didn’t make me love the characters. Characters with deep, subtle story and less skin showing is more of my favorites.
Kresnik added these pithy words on Jan 01 08 at 7:02 pmWell, I sure know whose posts I’ll be paying more attention to.
I think this “low level fanservice” is one of the reasons I tend to avoid anime with older characters, and instead I watch so much animated material centered around young characters. Unless you’re watching that “Nymphet” series, a series revolving around a young cast is quite safe. Not once was there a moment in “Ojamajo Doremi” or “Janggeum’s Dream” where I felt I had to quickly abort before someone in my vanpool sees what’s on the screen. Not once has “Cardcaptor Sakura” or “Petite Princess Yucie” made me feel I should turn and look away for a portion of a scene.
Of course, I’m the type who gets squeamish over parts of “Bottle Fairy”’s beach episode.
I’m one of those people who can say, “I enjoy ‘Love Hina’ for the characters.” (I actually had high hopes for “Negima!”, but dropped it without even finishing the second book.) The only reason I gave “Love Hina” a chance was because a friend assured me I’d appreciate the amount of work put into the characters’ personalities. I do prefer the anime in that it’s “cleaner” in what it shows (up until the final episode and Love “Hina Again”, of course), even though it can’t live up to the manga when you ignore the low level fanservice.
Eh, wake me when there’s another “Saint Tail” or “Azumanga Daioh”. If I can’t get well developed characters in a strong plot, I’ll take easygoing and clean comedy over lack of clothing any day.
Christopher Fritz added these pithy words on Jan 01 08 at 8:24 pmAdmiral Spoor is a great leader of her crew.
I just love Lafiel. haha!
thanks for the post!
rollchan added these pithy words on Jan 01 08 at 9:10 pmFanservice sells. No matter how much we gripe, fanservice brings home the bacon.
That, and their main market is Japan, so…
DrmChsr0 added these pithy words on Jan 02 08 at 12:01 amAmen, I agree with every single word.The DITE is the holy way.
ZeusIrae added these pithy words on Jan 02 08 at 4:14 amYes Crest of the Stars saga is how to do a great fanservice. It’s less about brainless girls tripping over naked for no apparent reason, and more about clever dialogues and elegant postures. They also help presenting characters unique from each other, from Spoor to Babus brothers to Lafiel, without any of this disrupting the show’s atmosphere.
Unfortunately, like someone has mentioned, crude fanservice is a easy and guaranteed trick to keep otakus engaged to pathetically uninspired stories and characters.
guest added these pithy words on Jan 02 08 at 4:42 amAs someone who’s resigned from the mating game (not, I hasten to add, to write history with the blood of my enemies) I too prefer ‘high’ to ‘low’ ecchi fanservice. Though I’m a sucker for mechaservice, but that’s another story.
However, while fanservice offends some, and drives others away, I do try to avoid moralising about it. Nothing’s more dangerous than a quick rush to judgement.
So your entry is a fine piece of work, because it builds an argument on your own preferences and a well-placed distinction (’high’ = subtle, charm-based, rare; ‘low’ = in-your-face, sex-based, common (pun intended)) rather than moral precepts.
IKnight added these pithy words on Jan 02 08 at 7:18 amBesides what kind of idiot puts chilli on his cheese cake and truffles?
LOL! Love this line. Fanservice is not for everyone. Some would write it off whether ‘high’ or ‘low’ types by your definition. In this aspect, to use another Singaporean analogy, fanservice are like durians. Those who dislike it, would flee at the whiff of it. But I believe it is those who enjoy good durians do get a little more of what life has to offer. ![]()
Excellent post Crusader - I agree on the ‘high’ and ‘low’ levels of fanservice, although I also think of them as ‘mature’ and ‘immature’ respectively. Your view on the subject seems to mirror mine in that the most attractive characters are those who are ‘more than just a pretty face’. You could put it down to the fact that you have a mature attitude to such things - although it sometimes applies to males of all ages, it is indeed the hormonal teenage fan who finds the ‘low’ stuff appealing. A more ‘grown-up’ view is to respect and understand the character, or to put it most simply, to take personality as well as physical appearance into consideration.
The female cast of Crest of the Stars (GREAT series, btw!) for instance, or perhaps Eureka Seven’s Talho or Bebop’s Faye Valentine aren’t just good-looking - they are attractive and worthy of respect as people because they have depth and personality. There’s nothing wrong with a bit of eye candy (I have blood in my veins, not antifreeze!) but perhaps some of us are looking for a more sophisticated variety, which is no bad thing really.
As with so many things, fanservice isn’t necessarily a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ thing - it often depends of context or how much it’s used.
Martin added these pithy words on Jan 02 08 at 12:38 pmBravo for voicing what has been on the minds of thousands of mature anime viewers. We definitely need more smart bombs and tomahawks rather than carpet bombings in our animes, but it’s unforunate that the anime that contain “high” fanserivce don’t really come to the shores of the U.S. That, and it seems that the fansub community is obsessed with harem and fanservice-y shows, so it’s next to impossible to find a decent show that doesn’t have tons of pantsu shots in it.
halcyonTwilight added these pithy words on Jan 02 08 at 6:06 pm@Kresnik
A deep subtle personal history is nice, but I still greatly value intelligence, wit, and spunk. I would trade skin for new hair styles any day of the week.
@Christopher Fritz
Well hopefully Macross Frontier will be just the thing you are looking for. Yeah bottle fairy kinda rubbed me the wrong way a couple times.
@rollchan
Admiral Spoor is love…
Lafiel is fine too.
@DrmChsr0
Hey I can dream right?
@ZeusIrae
Thanks for reading but what is DITE?
@guest
Good to know that the brothers of Spectacular Insanity are still remembered. Crest of the Stars was when Sunrise was great, nowadays they have series where characters go shopping in the middles of a war…
@IKnight
Macross Frontier cannot come soon enough. Sad to see that you are not in possession of a long enemies list, or in muy case book…then again perhaps that is a blessing.
Thanks I was unsure whether or not I avoided morality. I went for a sort of High fantasy vs. low fantasy slant, ie Tolkien is high while Warhammer fiction is low.
@Stripey
Other than kneeling on those blasted fruits in submission to the lady of your one ring…sure I suppose the smell isn’t fatal. However it is not always pleasant either. Admit it you will remember loli-in-a-bag long after you become a senile old man.
@Martin
I am sure that with age comes wisdom, but Admiral Spoor among my first characters whom I revered and I hope that others in youth also latched unto that special character. Great to see that Crest of the Stars is still fondly remebered.
@halcyonTwilight
Yeah its kind of disappointing how Moyashimon has not seen as much subbing as some other series, but that’s my pick. Nevertheless precision is need for shock and awe, carpet bombings usually just cause shell shock to those unfortunates underneath the B-52. Hey SHnY made it over because of fan reaction right? So there is still hope left in this world.
I really don’t think there is anything wrong with ecchi and I kind of resent calling it “low” fanservice. To be honest I don’t see how a loli in a bag is somehow of some higher level of refinement when compared to Haruka-neesama in a bikini. To be honest a loli in a bag isn’t fanservice at all to me, it’s just Kyon’s sister being irritating. Maybe that’s my anti imouto/loli bias showing through but I don’t get it.
I find it a bit pretentious to summarily dismiss all sorts of sexual fanservice as vastly inferior and less enjoyable. There’s a reason there exists the phrase “sex sells,” because it most definitely does. I myself enjoy such shows as Goshoushou-sama Ninomiya-kun, Koharu Biyori and Shuffle! and the what you term “low” fanservice is a big part of why those shows are enjoyable. Now do I think all shows should have boobshots and pantyshots? No. But do I think there is something wrong with some shows doing so? No again. There’s something to be said for variety, and sex certainly sells with the masses. I’m not going to deny my various guilty pleasures and fun shows outright and say every show should be like Haruhi.
Calawain added these pithy words on Jan 03 08 at 9:24 amI would agree that loli-in-a-bag isn’t really fanservice. It’s a cute shot, but that’s it.
I think Crusader’s saying that “High” fanservice are those things that reveal a side of the character we don’t normally see, or that there is potential for more from that character.
We see Lafiel in her uniform all the time. If that’s all we were ever allowed to see, we might be justifies in concluding that that’s all their is to her character, but then we get to see her all dolled up in formal evening-wear. It reminds us that there really is an Imperial Princess under the uniform.
The shot if Kagami in her PJ’s and hair down in Lucky Star is another example. There’s no skin, but it’s very good at showing us that she will one day be a very beautiful 2D representation of a fictional woman.
“Low” fanservice is all the other tittilating ecchi fap-material meant to pander to the pathetic otaku in Japan. It sells, but that doesn’t means it’s worthy of any praise.
At least that’s how I interpret things.
Will added these pithy words on Jan 03 08 at 9:56 am@Calawain
Hey as a member of Impz’s band of merry bloggers you are required to be a loli-con!
Perhaps I as being a bit too harsh, but even you have to admit that low fan service is overused. In my opinion it has been so overused that it is no longer worth it to sift through the ocean of crap ecchi to get to the genuinely funny moments. The Otaku male is a predictable creature as I understand it and the promise of nakkid girls is to the average male otaku a bacon sandwich to a starved wolf. Most of us bite when ecchi is dangled like a carrot before us and thats what many a marketing department is banking on. Sex does sell, however it might become a problem when the marketing guys start dictating what series is going to be produced and what needs to be shoe horned in for the sake of sales. I think that we can both agree that the marketing department ought have no say in the making of a series.
Shuffle was alright but I remember it more for the most awesome Asa victory than the ecchi. Besides Kaeade going spectacularly insane was the real high point of the show. Then again I admire those with murderous intent for the sake of a goal.
@Will
I couldn’t have put it better myself.
Good fanservice is about innuendo and timing. If you’re fully aware that it’s fanservice even as you’re watching, then it probably isn’t doing its job.
Both incompetance and competance can be cliche. For every clumsy bishoujo that burns her grilled cheese sandwich there’s a yamato nadeshiko who can make roast turkey out of canned food.
jacobian added these pithy words on Jan 21 08 at 7:54 amWhat about Elfen Lied? the reason Lucy was naked in the first ep was plot related, and the manga was made by a girl
SCC added these pithy words on Feb 10 08 at 10:17 pm
