I was alerted by a friend that the site of ODEX that was perpetually on hiatus for around two months, has updated its site with a notification list. As much as I am not too happy with the compromise of privacy and the lack of PR handled in this purpose, I believe that the notice at least has shed a bit more light for those who wants to know what the company is thinking.
In this article (I saved it under .doc file just in case if it’s taken down), there are some points on ODEX’s take on the issue. However, I am sure that most of you will probably slam it down as a last ditch attempt to save anything, and in all honestly me too. For those who are slightly more tolerant though, read on to tell me what you think of the little thoughts that I have of this article.
On a different note before I go on with some short notes, here are two articles from TJ_Han and DarkMirage that will be helpful to answer many of the questions.
These 400 over authorised titles do not consist only of anime titles that are licensed to Odex. Whether or not and to whom an anime title is licensed for sale in Singapore does not change the fact that they all enjoy copyright protection under Singapore law. Odex was appointed to conduct the present enforcement drive because it is the largest distributor of anime in the region, and it has conducted successful enforcement actions in the past in relation to the sale of pirated anime VCDs and DVDs.
Ok, nice start. I guess a re-establishment of the legal right is definitely good to address the many issues and lack of transparency by the company.
Based on searches conducted over a 6-month period from November 2006 to April 2007 on 50 anime titles only using BayTSP’s tracking solution, Odex found that there were more than 400,000 instances of downloading in Singapore. Singapore was found to have the highest level of anime downloading in the world by population.
Upon consultation with the members of AVPAS as well as other affected Japanese content owners, Odex was tasked to organise a major enforcement effort, and represent all the content owners in enforcement action against downloaders in Singapore, under the auspices of AVPAS.
Very important data. So, the plan has been set way before in the month of November. In that sense, why are warnings not given out to proper channels at the very least to an audience that hardly knows anything about copyright laws. No one here, I believe, will have any trouble telling you that they know that it’s rather contentious to download an anime since the fair use deal as stated by Andy Ho’s article is decent but not foolproof. In fact, it is rather hard to convince a judge that the downloading of the anime does not cause a possibility in shrinking the market profits. Copyright laws, in the end, are provided to protect the intellectual property of the anime companies.
Nevertheless, I find that this notice is close to 8 months late, and ODEX suffered the pain telling the law to 9 year old children who probably does not even know the difference between a copywriter and a copyright.
The objective of this enforcement drive is to carry out sustained action that will serve as a wake-up call to anime fans and other internet users in Singapore that downloading is illegal. Many internet users in Singapore download copyright material which is owned by major foreign companies, such as film production studios and television networks in the US and Japan. These companies have so far not taken action in Singapore, not because downloading is legal, but because Singapore has not been a priority for enforcement. This will now change, at least where anime is concerned, in view of the alarming statistics gathered from BayTSP’s data.
I get it, but I believe that most people have mentioned about the warning signs. I am sure that many have been deterred if an official statement to the press/on the main site engaging the anime community was released way before this. Will that be a better wake-up call and you can screw up everyone else who is not information savvy enough to absorb that fact?
Some reports have stated that Odex may earn up to $15 million through compensation payments received from downloaders, on the basis that Odex receives $5,000 from each of 3,000 subscribers. This is again not true. 3,000 IP addresses do not equate to 3,000 different subscribers. Further, Odex does not require all downloaders to pay $5,000 in compensation.
The main factor in deciding the compensation amount for early settlement purposes is the level of downloading carried out by each individual. Bearing in mind that the enforcement drive is still at an initial stage, conscious efforts have been made to keep the amount claimed to a minimum. The amount paid to Odex so far has not covered even 20% of Odex’s enforcement costs incurred to date. Additionally, downloaders who face genuine financial difficulties have been allowed to pay significantly reduced compensation amounts, or to pay in instalments.
Ok, some credit nevertheless. They do not deny the fact that there is a profit earned from this early settlement. There is at least some transparency about the fact that they might have earned some cash through this. I give them that, and it’s normal to earn some cash over illegal downloading since you are issuing your right as an enforcer.
However, I do not like the tone in one of its statements where they bordered on intimidation. Many has advised on fighting a law suit against ODEX over this, and I can tell you that the chance of winning is not that high. As much as it is not a completely lost-case through the fair use statement and the sheer evidence that your IP can be misleading, it is not a good chance. Still, the letter on the possible excessive punishment is apparent that they are not at all remorse over the lost moral battle. I will want them to clarify more on the lead up of the issue.
Nevertheless, I will say that with the incident being blown rather out of proportions, it is important to be more transparent of its dealings and the notification helps a little but way too late to save itself. This is very important when you are dealing with an extremely hostile crowd that you have screwed heavily enough to have a huge furore on traditional and new media.
That’s about it. What do you think of the article by ODEX itself? Useful, crap or “Hey, I don’t care because I will hate them forever even if they become all good!” My personal opinion is perhaps similar to many: an aim to cover up the gaffe of Stephen Sing. I will look on closely to see how they can somewhat re-engage whatever remaining community that will resolve this stifling condition.
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In Singapore anime buys you! « Jinx! - Ranty Bastard In the Land Of Opportunities added these pithy words on Aug 23 07 at 8:40 pmwow… *gulp* *chilly eeling*
rollchan added these pithy words on Aug 20 07 at 6:00 amImpz, there is no community. Just groups of rabblerousers that don’t know better.
And someone obviously does not know how America does things.
DrmChsr0 added these pithy words on Aug 20 07 at 6:18 amwho the hell go admit? can’t believe there r such dumbasses
birdsAD added these pithy words on Aug 20 07 at 6:32 amSounds like it is pretty much odex initiated to me, although done with the blessings of everybody.
I agree with your opinion about the tone though. There’s this “haha! you deserve it” tone to it.
Simple calculations… 400 000 instances of downloading, and 3000 ip addresses obtained. Does that make 133 downloads per ip address? That’s……. about 5 episodes a week. “Reasonable” I guess.
Don’t you just get this feeling that Odex doesn’t care? That feeling is just conveyed to me.
TedFox added these pithy words on Aug 20 07 at 9:09 amHmp! I definitely agree with you that it’s main aim is to cover up the gaffe of SS. Odex’s late notice will not do much to salvage their already low reputation. A director is supposed to represent his/her company in a professional manner. Even without the death threats, I personally doubt SS will last long if he has to seek job elsewhere(without his friends assistance).
I hate to say this but I feel that fighting a law suit with Odex will be a losing case for any of us. See the link below:
http://aelgtoer.blogspot.com/2007/08/odexagain-inquisition-continues.html
Choosing to strike without warnings, then trying to improve on their products, is the same as telling us, “You paid up now and you shall see great improvements in our products later”. Their website’s inactivity till recently is one great example.
Using statistics(the highest level of anime downloading in the world by population) alone to correlate to their view that Singaporeans are doing illegal downloading activities, is generally stating that these downloaders are not potential customers and not worth mentioning at all. Odex, please burn away the books that you used to study. “Ten year ‘O’ level series” do not apply anymore.
Odex as representative as other affected Japanese content owners, can choose to other paths to engage the true fans. However, they choose to fine first.
My piece of advice to Odex; You can fold up your CDs/DVDs distribution business and act as a direct front for AVPAS. It saves you alot of operating costs and let you focus at what you are really good at: “Fining/Sueing People”.
Nitro added these pithy words on Aug 20 07 at 9:37 amI forget to add that in the notice, Odex choose to leave out the “drop in their product sales” and focus on the copyright issue. I can see that they were careful to leave that issue out. Very clever.
Nitro added these pithy words on Aug 20 07 at 9:55 amWell about the only pieces of new information they released via this release were
1. That the surveillance and tracking of ISPs started in November 2006 before any warning was issued, official or otherwise and,
2. That the court order was for 1000 IP addresses and not 1000 subscribers (which means that less than 1000 people are caught per batch).
The rest of the information was already quite clear to those who did a little bit of level-headed research. So what’s new? Nothing much that exonerates the standing of Odex. Like you mentioned in your post and I agree, the fact that they started tracking ISPs in November 2006 yet posted no widely available and official warning to the anime fan community to stop illegal downloads works against them. There cannot be a ‘wake-up call’ when no such discernable call was mentioned in the first place.
The information about the 1000 IP addresses(and not subscribers) is new and assuming it is correct, would mean that the number of odexed people would be smaller than initially thought to be. However, Odex has also clarified that this batch is not all they are stopping at. It is only ‘as of present’ and there are ‘more applications pending’.
Which really shows they have no intention of stopping. And at the end of the day, their clarification still does not detract from the fact that they have proceeded are continuing to proceed in a manner that is hardly ethical.
Aelgtoer added these pithy words on Aug 20 07 at 10:59 amFrankly saying, it can be shortened to “We are in the right because we say so. But we are generous, and we will let you go if you admit your wrongdoing.”
I can’t help but think this is the RIAA all over again. They’ve walked down this path before.
A chicken passeth by added these pithy words on Aug 20 07 at 6:42 pmI have just one query though. How likely is it that ODEX actually has the authorisation of the content owners (Japanese companies) to take such action? And will this authorisation be in writing? More importantly, does it have to be in writing to be in effect? And is the timing of the authorisation of concern?
My point is that since it is generally concluded (in most places) that ODEX’s actions are legally correct but morally reprehensible, we should not defend our culpability in downloading, but ODEX’s right to pursue damages for the particular information they have received, such that it is established that downloading is not condoned, but neither are the actions of ODEX. If we can get the current data disqualified, everyone can start with a clean slate. In future, anyone who ODEX catches of downloading will be properly culpable as they have been warned and all, so no one can complain.
galen added these pithy words on Aug 20 07 at 8:59 pmWhat a whole load of crap.
alkanphel added these pithy words on Aug 20 07 at 10:03 pm*koff* *koff*
“Odex is authorised by the Anti-Video Piracy Association (Singapore) (AVPAS), a non-profit organisation whose members…”
“Upon consultation with the members of AVPAS as well as other affected Japanese content owners, Odex was tasked to….”
ODEX = profit organisation
AVPAS = non-profit organisation, made up of members who are profit making organisations
if ODEX = AVPAS, therefore ODEX authorised itself to do what it did.
so, FCUK ODEX anyway.
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Zer0 added these pithy words on Aug 20 07 at 11:10 pmClearly from the letter, ODEX is just telling us that it is all the downloaders’ fault for downloading illegal anime and MUST pay for the mistake. Simply so. Really? Really.
They are explaining their rationale, leaving out what they really think they are thinking - that because their revenue dropped so they are in actual fact using this as an excuse to fine people… FINE! So this ODEX letter does nothing to convince the unconvinced, I think. They are just saying they are NOT in any fault, it is all the illegal downloader’s punishment for breaking laws.
N I find this line the most dubious from ODEX “Odex was appointed to conduct the present enforcement drive because it is the LARGEST distributor of anime in the region, and it has conducted successful enforcement actions in the past in relation to the sale of pirated anime VCDs and DVDs.”
ODEX is boasting of the fact that they are the LARGEST distributor of anime in Asia… face it, people! throwing suits against them would be blatantly useless because they are the BIGGEST anime distributor around in Asia…
I do not condone sending death threats to any of the ODEX members as that is being a little overboard to express our unhappiness. All lives and dignities need to be preserved for the good of all.
YanLan added these pithy words on Aug 21 07 at 10:53 am[…]Odex has just very recently released a clarification on their webpage stating the court order was to release the customer information for 1000 IP addresses and not 1000 subscribers as reported. You can also check out this blogger’s comments on it.[…]
Odexed? 8 Things You Should Know. added these pithy words on Aug 21 07 at 11:02 amBased on what they have posted on their website/page, it can be summarized into one headline.. “Japanese attempt to retake Syonan-to, aided by a local conspirator. Starts with anime downloaders.” ![]()
It’s not just intimidation… its picketing. The statement at the end, of claiming that people ‘voluntarily’ went up to them to pay them so that they won’t get caught is like picketing.
It may be true that downloading of any form is illegal… but what about Haruhi Suzumiya ? What about the doujinshi market in Japan, which is a clear copyright contravention, but was atcually allowed there for a while ? Hell, why did Lucky Star go so far as to mention Haruhi doujinshis ? Parody and mockery over such items ? Maybe, but I’d think it was acknoledgment of a loyal fanbase that bought their items, and supplied them lots of money.
ODEX may think its doing the right thing, but clamping down on people and turning off the community will never achieve those aims. However, I disagree with a certain dR when he said there’s no anime community in Singapore.
There is one. There is one that buys from Chuang Yi manga. There is one that has kept the dandelion running, spreading for more then ten years, to the extent that it can acquire licenses once unreachable.
There is one. One that permeated the downloading syndrome, but was the same thing that made Haruhiism the force it is the world over.
There is one. One in this coutry, where cosplayers actually get featured on Channel NewsAsia.
So its true that Animax and loval TV can’t give us everythign we want. So its true that downloading of any form may become illegal. But let this not be the weakening or lessening of our community.
Peter Go did what he did. Whether he was right or wrong is another matter, but he did what he did. It’s up to us to do our bit now.
Charles added these pithy words on Aug 23 07 at 5:56 amhmmm… this is funny.. NARUTO IS NOT IN THE AUTHORIZED LIST!!!
eddie added these pithy words on Aug 23 07 at 10:00 amThat letter is full or crap. It could simple be reduced to
‘All anime downloaders whom we have the IPs of are going to get sued by us. There is nothing anyone can do about it.’
No warning, no nothing. What age are anime downloaders? Primary 3 onwards? How do they expect primary schoolers to understand the copyright law they are breaching.
In addition, Odex is even sueing those who download animes that they have NOT released. Even the more popular series that they have released are reported to be of low quality.
Are there any anime fans out there who would still buy from Odex after their outrageous lawsuits? The tone of letter is more like a threat,
‘If you don’t buy from us, you get screwed.’
Honestly, the day that company close down; would be the day anime fans celebrate like no tomorrow.
Whoops! Odex looses!
http://siewkumhong.blogspot.com/2007/08/odex-pte-ltd-v-pacific-internet-limited.html
JayF added these pithy words on Aug 27 07 at 5:14 am

