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	<title>Comments on: Anime - Deep symbolism or merely entertainment?</title>
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		<title>By: Impz</title>
		<link>http://that.animeblogger.net/2007/08/03/anime-deep-symbolism-or-merely-entertainment/#comment-76911</link>
		<dc:creator>Impz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Janice: I actually feel that anime sometimes has the potential to be deeper, but that will also turn off most anime watchers who sit to be entertained. It's just not a good mass market tool. Fanservice is clearly very deadly in ovas, and I cannot but agree with you completely on that.

It's to please the fans though. They do drive the economy for the anime companies.

@Drm: @_@ who likes to use their brain all the time anyway.

@Lia: Hahah, i DEFINITELY will love your mom. Is she of a need for a foster son by any chance?

@Gaguri: Well, I personally am a new person in terms of anime viewing. I just started intensively when i started this blogging site. It is perhaps a very hard topic to really conclude, and I actually wrote this during a period that I have a serious case of writer's block.

Nevertheless, I am no huge fan of something that is overly deep because I prefer to enjoy my entertainment. I guess that is why i am no literature student myself. Nevertheless, when a show is both entertaining and has a good story depth, it is the type of show that will interest anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Janice: I actually feel that anime sometimes has the potential to be deeper, but that will also turn off most anime watchers who sit to be entertained. It&#8217;s just not a good mass market tool. Fanservice is clearly very deadly in ovas, and I cannot but agree with you completely on that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s to please the fans though. They do drive the economy for the anime companies.</p>
<p>@Drm: @_@ who likes to use their brain all the time anyway.</p>
<p>@Lia: Hahah, i DEFINITELY will love your mom. Is she of a need for a foster son by any chance?</p>
<p>@Gaguri: Well, I personally am a new person in terms of anime viewing. I just started intensively when i started this blogging site. It is perhaps a very hard topic to really conclude, and I actually wrote this during a period that I have a serious case of writer&#8217;s block.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I am no huge fan of something that is overly deep because I prefer to enjoy my entertainment. I guess that is why i am no literature student myself. Nevertheless, when a show is both entertaining and has a good story depth, it is the type of show that will interest anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: gaguri</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaguri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once upon a time, when I saw Lain (my first anime other than english dubbed pokemon), and tracking down similar titles such as Boogiepop Phantom and GITS: SAC, I used to think 'wow don't Japanese have something invigorating in their cartoons than what you see in average cartoon channels'. Although I still enjoy shows like Code Geass and Lucky Star on purely entertainment level, it's quite sad that I no longer have vast supply of 'deep' shows (at that point of time, the supply seemed limitless), because the overall impact they have on you is on a whole different scale. This opinion of mine is of course, still considering them on the entertainment level, since entertainment value is so much higher when we are engaged to think and feel about those pretty things happening on the screen. But same can be said about films. There's not many films featuring in my local cinema that I'd consider as 'deep'.  

I personally don't see the merit behind the need to discuss such a ridiculous question, since the statement 'vast majority of anime seeks to entertain, and only a few are profound' is commonly accepted by those who are reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once upon a time, when I saw Lain (my first anime other than english dubbed pokemon), and tracking down similar titles such as Boogiepop Phantom and GITS: SAC, I used to think &#8216;wow don&#8217;t Japanese have something invigorating in their cartoons than what you see in average cartoon channels&#8217;. Although I still enjoy shows like Code Geass and Lucky Star on purely entertainment level, it&#8217;s quite sad that I no longer have vast supply of &#8216;deep&#8217; shows (at that point of time, the supply seemed limitless), because the overall impact they have on you is on a whole different scale. This opinion of mine is of course, still considering them on the entertainment level, since entertainment value is so much higher when we are engaged to think and feel about those pretty things happening on the screen. But same can be said about films. There&#8217;s not many films featuring in my local cinema that I&#8217;d consider as &#8216;deep&#8217;.  </p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t see the merit behind the need to discuss such a ridiculous question, since the statement &#8216;vast majority of anime seeks to entertain, and only a few are profound&#8217; is commonly accepted by those who are reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Moogy&#8217;s Anime Blog :: Is Anime Deep?: Deconstruction.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moogy&#8217;s Anime Blog :: Is Anime Deep?: Deconstruction.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this subject have managed to, you know, actually come to a conclusion. Let&#8217;s take a look at the one from THAT Anime Blog, shall [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] this subject have managed to, you know, actually come to a conclusion. Let&#8217;s take a look at the one from THAT Anime Blog, shall [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Lia</title>
		<link>http://that.animeblogger.net/2007/08/03/anime-deep-symbolism-or-merely-entertainment/#comment-76247</link>
		<dc:creator>Lia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone who said anime is deep is my own mother, and she's 54. Yes, my mother is an anime fan and everytime whatches something with me and it rings to her she goes: "you see, like real life, you should learn something from this".
I love my mum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone who said anime is deep is my own mother, and she&#8217;s 54. Yes, my mother is an anime fan and everytime whatches something with me and it rings to her she goes: &#8220;you see, like real life, you should learn something from this&#8221;.<br />
I love my mum!</p>
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		<title>By: DrmChsr0</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrmChsr0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grey matter. Brains. 

Lupus, people don't use their brains very often. That's the problem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grey matter. Brains. </p>
<p>Lupus, people don&#8217;t use their brains very often. That&#8217;s the problem</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there. Love the blog, its been a really interesting visit!

Anyway back to the topic. I'd agree that Anime is more of an Art and entertainment form rather than a "deep thought" genre. Of course I've watched several noted exceptions and those are probably some of the best anime shows I've watched since I love "deep and meaningful" stuff.

These days fanservice are definitely quite blatant. I usually even have an anime, from its large popularity, producers would just make an OVA or some special that's almost entirely plot-less and fanservice orientated :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there. Love the blog, its been a really interesting visit!</p>
<p>Anyway back to the topic. I&#8217;d agree that Anime is more of an Art and entertainment form rather than a &#8220;deep thought&#8221; genre. Of course I&#8217;ve watched several noted exceptions and those are probably some of the best anime shows I&#8217;ve watched since I love &#8220;deep and meaningful&#8221; stuff.</p>
<p>These days fanservice are definitely quite blatant. I usually even have an anime, from its large popularity, producers would just make an OVA or some special that&#8217;s almost entirely plot-less and fanservice orientated :p</p>
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		<title>By: Impz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Impz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally realized the pains of real life. I am really getting owned by real life these days.

@Lolikit: deep penetration show? OKKKKKK?

@Kyokii: Hmm, I do somewhat agree with you but the perception of how deep an anime is does not deter from the fact that the artwork in itself is not a complicated thing that you might not understand or appreciate if you do not understand the patterns in it. Anime is simplistic and seeks to entertain, which is why I believe that the depth of the personal viewer is not that important.

@Nekonron: I am enjoying fanservice myself. I do not think that fanservice is a bad thing at all. It is good but I am not arguing whether it is good or bad, merely that it does not define "deepness".

@Briar: Entertainment can be deep or shallow, but still primarily entertainment. That is why you call it entertainment, where the primary reason to viewing it is to excite or enjoy the artwork presented to you.

I do not believe that the topic in itself is a fallacy in which the artwork never bothers to fully enforce any intectuall or informative data onto you. It is a passive action of the viewer, and does not require active participation beyond the amount of leisure to understand.

@Lupus: rule.

@Drm: ?_? grey matter?

@Josh: Oh, i definitely do not think that not having any depth is a bad thing. I mean, is Ichigo Mashimaro or Midori no Hibi deep shows? nope. Yet, they have huge entertainment values. It is perhaps a bit confusing that I have portrayed deepness as a good quality and entertainment as a bad quality. 

However, to be honest, there is no good or bad regarding the two terms. They are just terms for discussion.

@無</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally realized the pains of real life. I am really getting owned by real life these days.</p>
<p>@Lolikit: deep penetration show? OKKKKKK?</p>
<p>@Kyokii: Hmm, I do somewhat agree with you but the perception of how deep an anime is does not deter from the fact that the artwork in itself is not a complicated thing that you might not understand or appreciate if you do not understand the patterns in it. Anime is simplistic and seeks to entertain, which is why I believe that the depth of the personal viewer is not that important.</p>
<p>@Nekonron: I am enjoying fanservice myself. I do not think that fanservice is a bad thing at all. It is good but I am not arguing whether it is good or bad, merely that it does not define &#8220;deepness&#8221;.</p>
<p>@Briar: Entertainment can be deep or shallow, but still primarily entertainment. That is why you call it entertainment, where the primary reason to viewing it is to excite or enjoy the artwork presented to you.</p>
<p>I do not believe that the topic in itself is a fallacy in which the artwork never bothers to fully enforce any intectuall or informative data onto you. It is a passive action of the viewer, and does not require active participation beyond the amount of leisure to understand.</p>
<p>@Lupus: rule.</p>
<p>@Drm: ?_? grey matter?</p>
<p>@Josh: Oh, i definitely do not think that not having any depth is a bad thing. I mean, is Ichigo Mashimaro or Midori no Hibi deep shows? nope. Yet, they have huge entertainment values. It is perhaps a bit confusing that I have portrayed deepness as a good quality and entertainment as a bad quality. </p>
<p>However, to be honest, there is no good or bad regarding the two terms. They are just terms for discussion.</p>
<p>@無</p>
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		<title>By: YanLan</title>
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		<dc:creator>YanLan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entertainment can be deep. There is no line drawn between these two words. Entertainment can be shallow as well as deep. Entertainment is to let us feel something in times of boredom - my definition, that is.

I can give a few examples of deep and shallow anime title but at the end of the day, there are ALL [b]ENTERTAINMENT[/b]! There's no line drawn between the two. And deep is just one word to describe entertainment, not an entirety of notion.

Haha, fanservice that can help to contribute to storyplot, I see no harm in them. But if fanservice is just for the sake of whetting the appetite of interested people, that will irk me seriously. I am not against fanservice but it should be kept to minimum and for a meaning to it!

An anime being deep lets us reflect on things we rarely think of in our spare  or casual time... just like literature or television shows, films and books. They are all stories to! ENTERTAIN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entertainment can be deep. There is no line drawn between these two words. Entertainment can be shallow as well as deep. Entertainment is to let us feel something in times of boredom - my definition, that is.</p>
<p>I can give a few examples of deep and shallow anime title but at the end of the day, there are ALL [b]ENTERTAINMENT[/b]! There&#8217;s no line drawn between the two. And deep is just one word to describe entertainment, not an entirety of notion.</p>
<p>Haha, fanservice that can help to contribute to storyplot, I see no harm in them. But if fanservice is just for the sake of whetting the appetite of interested people, that will irk me seriously. I am not against fanservice but it should be kept to minimum and for a meaning to it!</p>
<p>An anime being deep lets us reflect on things we rarely think of in our spare  or casual time&#8230; just like literature or television shows, films and books. They are all stories to! ENTERTAIN.</p>
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		<title>By: rollchan</title>
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		<dc:creator>rollchan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 03:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>answer? both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>answer? both.</p>
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		<title>By: 毎日アニメ夢 &#187; Is anime deep or just entertainment (or both)?</title>
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		<dc:creator>毎日アニメ夢 &#187; Is anime deep or just entertainment (or both)?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are: * Bateszi * Drastic My Anime Blog * Heterochromia * Hige Vs Otaku * That’s Not Kanon * T.H.A.T. Anime blog * Cruel Angel Theses ♪ * The End of the World * Anime [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] are: * Bateszi * Drastic My Anime Blog * Heterochromia * Hige Vs Otaku * That’s Not Kanon * T.H.A.T. Anime blog * Cruel Angel Theses ♪ * The End of the World * Anime [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Relos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Relos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. Anime has mostly been a form of entertainment. (You actually helped cleared up my thoughts with anime, thanks. ^_^) Now I know the anime I will forever look for: An anime that not only "seeks less to entertain, but to indivulge ourselves into an intellectual and informative world", but has the nice cute art designs you can find today. Kanon 2006, for example, didn't have that feeling; aspects of it just don't give the vibe I'm looking for, though it's a extremely well done show. Rurouni Kenshin, on the other hand...is closer. Kenshin's past certainly can't be far from it, considering it's number #1 spot in Anime News Network...

But yeah. I look for some Moe AND entertaining AND deep... in a true way. Discrimination is probably the deepest one we are able to relate daily life to. Now have the victim be very moe, and it could get very heartbreaking... I'd love to see that... oh whatever, lol. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Anime has mostly been a form of entertainment. (You actually helped cleared up my thoughts with anime, thanks. ^_^) Now I know the anime I will forever look for: An anime that not only &#8220;seeks less to entertain, but to indivulge ourselves into an intellectual and informative world&#8221;, but has the nice cute art designs you can find today. Kanon 2006, for example, didn&#8217;t have that feeling; aspects of it just don&#8217;t give the vibe I&#8217;m looking for, though it&#8217;s a extremely well done show. Rurouni Kenshin, on the other hand&#8230;is closer. Kenshin&#8217;s past certainly can&#8217;t be far from it, considering it&#8217;s number #1 spot in Anime News Network&#8230;</p>
<p>But yeah. I look for some Moe AND entertaining AND deep&#8230; in a true way. Discrimination is probably the deepest one we are able to relate daily life to. Now have the victim be very moe, and it could get very heartbreaking&#8230; I&#8217;d love to see that&#8230; oh whatever, lol. <img src='http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;WE ARE FUCKING NOT DOTQ. THIS TIME SERIOUSLY.&#8221; &#187; Whores are both &#8220;deep&#8221; and &#8220;entertainment&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;WE ARE FUCKING NOT DOTQ. THIS TIME SERIOUSLY.&#8221; &#187; Whores are both &#8220;deep&#8221; and &#8220;entertainment&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 23:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in this &#8220;entertainment&#8221; include, but are not limited to, Paul, N, Hige, Hidoshi, and Impz. DrmChsr0 (who used to be above this, kind of like me) also participated, though I don&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] in this &#8220;entertainment&#8221; include, but are not limited to, Paul, N, Hige, Hidoshi, and Impz. DrmChsr0 (who used to be above this, kind of like me) also participated, though I don&#8217;t [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: 無</title>
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		<dc:creator>無</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anime shall be entertaining.
Who cares if it's “deep</description>
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Who cares if it&#8217;s “deep</p>
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		<title>By: That&#8217;s Not Kanon &#187; Anime is more than "Just" Entertainment</title>
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		<dc:creator>That&#8217;s Not Kanon &#187; Anime is more than "Just" Entertainment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] entertainment</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd pretty much agree, but I'm not sure not being deep is necessarily a bad thing.  I mean, making you think always seems to help make a movie or TV show that is good into a great movie or show, sure.  Ultimately, I watch anime because it's entertaining and not because I wish to become a philosophy master.

Of course, I think most people realize and agree with all of this, except for those who think that if it's animated and from Japan, then it must be deeper than The Matrix or something, which is pretty silly on it's face.  All I'd have to do is find a DVD of Girls' Bravo to prove that belief wrong.

As for fan service, I'd generally agree, though I still think there are plenty of shows around that don't have fan service, or at least not enough to make it bothersome.  I mean, almost anything - and I'm talking live-action TV and movies, have their own version of "fan service" usually.  It's how it's used and how much it's used that's important rather than whether it exists or not (though I'm pretty sure that was basically your point anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d pretty much agree, but I&#8217;m not sure not being deep is necessarily a bad thing.  I mean, making you think always seems to help make a movie or TV show that is good into a great movie or show, sure.  Ultimately, I watch anime because it&#8217;s entertaining and not because I wish to become a philosophy master.</p>
<p>Of course, I think most people realize and agree with all of this, except for those who think that if it&#8217;s animated and from Japan, then it must be deeper than The Matrix or something, which is pretty silly on it&#8217;s face.  All I&#8217;d have to do is find a DVD of Girls&#8217; Bravo to prove that belief wrong.</p>
<p>As for fan service, I&#8217;d generally agree, though I still think there are plenty of shows around that don&#8217;t have fan service, or at least not enough to make it bothersome.  I mean, almost anything - and I&#8217;m talking live-action TV and movies, have their own version of &#8220;fan service&#8221; usually.  It&#8217;s how it&#8217;s used and how much it&#8217;s used that&#8217;s important rather than whether it exists or not (though I&#8217;m pretty sure that was basically your point anyway).</p>
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