
Ever wonder why anime always has a veritable ton of these single warhead nukes? Ever wonder why they never used MIRV (multiple independently targeted reentry vehicle) missiles instead?
So in my last post I made a ruckus about Hideaki Anno and his anti-foreign statements. Suffice to say many took exception at hearing that I was trying to suggest America good, Japan bad. As a US citizen I know full well how many times we have tragically fucked up. However I don’t believe we are the sole source of all that is evil nor is there ever such a thing as a righteous country, though Sweden and Denmark come damn near close.
Anno’s comments did rouse my ire because he is, in my opinion, totally unqualified to make such an accusation. I think that it does bear merit to see how Japan came to have resentment to US deployments in what she considers to be her territory (Okinawa or the Ryukyu Islands were once an independent state, most US deployments are in Okinawa) and why she feels the way she feels about the use of atomic weapons. To say that anime is immune to soap box preaching is essentially false they do get preachy on somethings and the big bad American Empire is an often used allusion. It does warrant some discussion on the origins of this xenophobia because it is not limited to the US, the outside world is not spared China seems to be the next whipping boy for being the next bully of Japan.
I firmly believe that the troubles of this world do spill into literature, movies, television, and anime. World War I created a distinct clique of authors who were deeply affected by the First World War, the Dadai movement was an out growth of the nihilism and cynicism in the post war period. Expressionism and Surrealism are thought to have been out growths of Dadai. The poem In Flanders Fields was written by an officer after seeing his friend die a horrible death. The Vietnam War had a profound affect on all levels of society in Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, the United States, Vietnam, and other participants. For Japan one such trauma included the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Note: This is a very controversial discussion that does touch on racism, politics, history, and makes no pretense at being nice. You have been warned. Also I am off the heavy pain killers and just on antibiotics and over the counter ibuprofen, I am mostly sane now.

How much damage can one B-29 do? Do you know the significance of this particular B-29?
World War II for Japan was an unmitigated disaster, since the Russo-Japanese war she had fought conflicts nearly continuously. Her male population was drafted and sent to war far and wide these men were that survived were fathers, brothers, uncles, sons, and grandfathers to those who would become a part of anime studios. To say they have had no effect on any of them is at the least a stretch and the pinnacle of ignorance at worst. As soldiers go they tell their sea stories whether in triumph or defeat. Suffice to say atomic weaponry and other WMDs have made many appearances in anime.
More often or not their use is rarely tactical, and much less strategic. It is rather a weapon of terror and destruction for the sake of destruction. Worse it is used as a means of first strike capability and seem to be as common as bullets in Gundam Seed Destiny. As the only country to have suffered the only two military uses of nuclear weapons it has made an enduring impression. So strong was the trauma of being visited by two nuclear armed B-29s that anti-American and indeed anti-foreign sentiment remains an undercurrent in Japan. The fact that Anno is party to blaming America is proof that there are still those who remember a version of those terrible times.
The current state of the balance of power in East Asia is a direct result of the Second World War like any Japanese citizen Anno has his own views of how things ought to be. His dogged insistence on having a military in name despite the de-facto situation of having the Japanese Self Defense Force is in my opinion an out growth of his nationalism. The truth is that the current American administration wants Japan to provide more resources towards securing US deployments in hostile territory. To say that the US wants to keep Japan militarily impotent is simply not true. Japan’s current navy is vastly superior to all other regional navies save the US. Given Japan’s current state of economic affairs the expenditures required to achieve create a force big enough to match the US is simply not feasible if the current standard of living is to be upheld.
For most Japanese the bomb was a terrible even that should never happen again and these weapons ought to be destroyed. However the fateful events of 1945 will never be forgotten and with WWII games being a dime a dozen we will be reliving it far longer than WWII itself. Being victims of the bomb however has allowed Japan to play victim and harp upon, rightly or wrongly, Hiroshima and Nagasaki as if it were a more tragic event than the Holocaust. I have been and still am an enthusiast of WWII miniature gaming and the entailing analysis on these events from a more dispassionate and perhaps cold military perspective. One of the favorites many armchair generals like to debate upon is the decision to use nuclear weapons on Japan. Even there disagreements are present, and in the US military the decision to use these weapons is still a matter of debate.

This picture says a lot about black humor, actually make that morbid humor…in bad taste. Here’s a hint look beyond the pun.
The Russo-Japanese war is largely considered to be the first major conflict of Japan with the West. While Japan is largely considered the victor the picture is not that clear cut. The casualty figures for Japan were staggering. At the time the Japanese were unquestionably victorious at sea, however the picture on land was decidedly different. The Japanese threw infantry right into the teeth of Russian trenches and barbed wire, worse still the Russians had machine guns. Suffice to say using bayonets against machine guns is a costly proposition. To their credit the Russians eventually gave up, but had the war dragged on Japan could have very well been bled dry. A navy no matter how powerful cannot hold land.
Nevertheless the US negotiated peace treaty did feel like a slight since Japan felt she was owed much more for her victory. The US was in the unenviable position of trying to placate two nations who were on friendly terms with America, and suffice to say both the Russians and the Japanese felt angry and cheated. Here after Japan essentially decided to do what she wanted with little or no regard to any one else. Her victory would come back to bite the world in the ass during WWI for all of Europe and Japan in WWII. In Europe generals Allied and Central used the same tactics the Japanese had used against the Russians. The Eastern Front was a mobile war, but on the Western Front the body count was horrendous. General Douglas Haig is to have said that he “would be the one with the last 1000 men.” Japan would throw masses of infantry at entrenched Allied troops with few good results by 1943 when the Allies suddenly stopped falling back. Apparently cold hatred of the Japanese enemy proved to be a powerful tonic against surrender for the Allies.
Since Japan had “won” the war against the Russians there was no change in their doctrine. Their navy focused on having a single grand showdown, which is usually the culmination of most anime series dealing with conflict, the mother of all battles. Their army focused on using the same offensive tactics that had won them the Russo-Japanese War, emphasizing the warrior above all else. Anime sci-fi, coincidentally, focuses less on techno babble and technology instead emphasizing characters. After all has any series come close to Star Trek levels of techno babble?
The truth is that Japan did not have the political will or civilian will (note will is very different form ability) to prevent a military take over, the populace went along with it or stood with a deafening silence. The men, were to a man, party to it. While it can be argued that the Japanese military simply did what it wanted, the failure of the civilian authorities and Emperor Hirohito to stop the descent into war cannot be brushed aside so easily. After all Japan was a victor in World War I and signed arms limitation agreements which were up held until 1937. The civilians did have clout, the men were soldiers as well as citizens they had a civic responsibilities, but instead most of them elected to go off to war in China.

Was this as test?
The Second Sino-Japanese War was to Japan a cake walk. After all China was divided and ready for the taking while the West was busy trying to fight the Great Depression and preserve a standard of living for their respective peoples. Japan was hit hard by the evaporation of trade after the crash of 1929, and her solution to her domestic troubles was to create a bigger empire that encompassed the vast prize that was China and either the South Pacific or Siberia. To be fair Japan was desperate and had long ago depleted what resources she once had, so she did what any country would do with a neighbor that was unstable and seemingly crumbling. They played king maker and wanted to make themselves king.
Fortunately for China and unfortunately for Japan the Chinese were not keen to cooperate and what should have been “easy” turned into a quagmire and a stalemate prevailed. The fact that Japan which had a modern military was being stymied by Chinese forces with inferior equipment after the Battle of Shanghai should have been a warning sign that maybe they were not so good at making war as they had once thought. At Khalkhin Gol in 1939 the Soviets beat the shit out of the Japanese with better tactics, communications, and equipment. If the Soviets are slapping you around, those same backward Russians who “lost” the Russo-Japanese War, it should have been proof enough that the military was not as strong as their numerous divisions imply.
The Japanese civilian response was again a damning silence and the Japanese draftee went on an orgy of pillaging, raping, and destruction. The atrocities these men committed were numerous at the Rape of Nanking the piles of corpses choked the rivers, the local Nazi was horrified. The draftee was not some docile pile of shit that simply obeyed orders. They burned all, killed all, and looted all without orders. In fact the massacres as Singapore occurred because General Tomoyuki Yamashita had lost control of his men. They disobeyed him. In response he executed the offenders that he could lay his hands on, but the damage was done. The Japanese draftee was person with moral responsibilities. I find it hard to allow any one of them to claim that they were simply following orders, their insubordination was legendary as attested by field executions alone. If they could disobey orders to behave, what stopped them from disobeying any other order?
The fact is the Japanese draftee could and did disobey orders to attack and die in vain. At Imphal and Kohima they retreated despite urgings by their generals to fight to the death. During their disastrous retreat from India they suffered their own death march, though it was self inflicted since the logistics of their Indian incursion had failed miserably. In that death march the draftee told officers to sod off when they were pressured to die if they were wounded or sick. They had a spine, it was there they only chose to use it selectively. For Japan to claim now that a bunch of military rogues took over the government while the civilians were forced along is simply rubbish. There is always a choice. In total war the civilians made the munitions and weapons that killed other civilians, they share responsibility for being party to the prosecution of that war.
If nothing else they were, in my opinion, moral cowards. Admiral Wilhelm Canaris who commanded the Abwehr or Military intelligence gave false documents to Jews that got them out of Nazi Germany, and convinced Franco to stay out of the war during the darkest days of WWII when the Allies were reeling. He stuck out his neck to save an agent of MI6 from the the Butcher of Prague. In the end he was humiliated and slowly strangled to death. Canaris made the Abwehr a vital resource for German resistance to the Nazis. Hans Oster informed the Dutch of the exact date of Hitler’s invasion. Deitrich Bonhoeffer, a “mere” pastor, called for Christians to resist Hitler’s anti-semitic policies and funneled money to help Jews escape from the SS. Both men would die for daring to challenge the Nazis; Hans Oster was stripped naked before being sent to the gallows. Oskar Schindler, an unprincipled opportunist, eventually expended his wealth to save Jews from extermination. All these people dared to do the right thing at great risk to themselves, but why is the list of Japanese resistance so short?
General Tomoyuki Yamashita is the one of the few people who served in the Imperial Japanese Army to try to prevent unnecessary deaths. He tried to evacuate Manila to prevent it from becoming a killing ground the insubordination of his troops and the actions of Navy troops who he had no authority over undid all his efforts and roughly 100,000 non-combatants died in the Battle of Manila. He was the exception in that he did not kill himself prior to surrendering. He chose to stand trial and the only reason why his was not reduced to a footnote was largely because of his controversial trial. He was out of political favor, but he did nonetheless call for an end to the war in China to avoid war with the US and Great Britain.
Saburo Sakai, the highest ranked Japanese ace to survive the war, was ordered to conduct a kamikaze attack but in the end he called it off since bad weather approached and all he found were fighters instead of ships. He consciously chose not to die in some vain expression of “courage” and after the war tried to reconcile with his former enemies. Upon his deathbed he railed against his countrymen for failing to accept collective responsibility to accept what had happened during those terrible times, he even criticized Emperor Hirohito to allow kamikaze attacks to continue. Yet for all their qualities and faults these men remain the exception and only gained notoriety upon their deaths.

Was this a test?
Sadly for Japan they did go to war with the West in a brilliantly conceived surprise attack on December 7, 1941. Unfortunately by not declaring war first they appeared to be deceitful and untrustworthy, and after beating up some battleships they decided a third strike would not be needed and thus the precious fuel and repair facilities remained in tact. The US Navy was bloodied but retained the means to resist. Things were going very well for Japan the British were in a life and death struggle against Germany, the Philippines were about to fall, and all of Europe was under Nazi domination and their colonies were easy pickings, and by spring of 1942 Japan seemed to be one the verge of victory. Too bad that the US let the their possessions fall rather than going for a final showdown with the Imperial Japanese Navy as Czarist Russia had done.
Here things began to unravel and by Jove did it unravel quick. At the Battle of Midway the US armed with intelligence garnered by cracking the codes used by the Japanese crippled Japan’s navy by sinking four fleet carriers and culling the cream of their naval aviation. At Guadalcanal Japanese indecisiveness allowed the Allies to halt Japanese expansion. These military failures laid bare how woefully optimistic Japan had been when she went to war; the fact that the Allies were able to read Japanese communications for most of the war proves how archaic Japanese military thinking had become. Given that they had suffered such dramatic reversals I find it hard to believe that the civilians were that powerless to criticize such failures. For any one of them to try and claim ignorance is rather suspect as those casualties had families and when the letters home stop coming something has to be up.
While we can all admit that use of atomic weapons is bad its first and only use is not a simple matter as portrayed in anime. Say you were the President of the US and the war with Japan is coming to an end, their defeat is a forgone conclusion the question is how long will it last. Every day that goes by the killing continues the Chinese people endure another day of raping, killing, and looting. Every day that goes by the body count increases for the US and the other Allies. Every day that goes by some Allied POW dies in a most horrible way whether by slave labor, medical neglect, or simply because the guards did not like him. Okinawa was a bloody affair and the Ryukyuans did not greet you as liberators as you had hoped. An invasion of Japan is going to be bloody everything up until now says that Japan will fight to the last man, woman, and child. The fact that young Japanese men, some of them college educated, are crashing planes and sacrificing themselves to sink Allied ships suggests that Japan would rather die than surrender.
Given these circumstances the choice is whether to use these weapons. They have never been tested outside of controlled conditions and there is no guarantee that they will work outside of a test. General LeMay has essentially reduced Japan’s industrial base to nothing the remaining military targets are essentially gone and what you can hit are already in populations centers. Japanese war production has been relocated to workshops within Japanese residential areas. You have already asked for an unconditional surrender but still Japan fights even when backed into a corner. Do you continue to pound way conventionally and ask for the your people and your allies for more sacrifices? What would they say if they knew that you had a weapon that could wipe out cities with out the cost of a single Allied soldier? What right do you have to ask the Chinese to endure more suffering as you conduct a long campaign? By what right can you ask Allied POWs to die daily if you may have the means to shorten the war even by a day?

Now this picture ought to say more than the previous other two…
This is war and why should you care about the Japanese people who were party to this conflict? Do you allow them to fight to the death or kill a few in a most unpleasant fashion to try and compel them to surrender? Could you simply show them your new weapon and risk having it be a dud? Every physicist knew the theories and principles behind building the atomic bomb, the Germans knew it was possible, the French were stockpiling heavy water prior to the war, and the US has made it. Japan had her own physicists and cyclotron she too is aware that it is possible, could the mere threat of it make them more willing to lay down their arms?
If you want to quibble about morality which is then more moral to kill with 100,000 with a bomb or to kill 100,000 with bullets? Japan had already used WMDs in via biological and chemical warfare in China, why should they be allowed to use WMDs but not you? Is the moral high ground worth one Allied life? How about 1,000 Allied soldiers or civilians? How about 10,000, 100,000, or 1,000,000?
All war is cruelty you cannot refine it. War itself is conductive to immorality. War is death on an industrial scale. The decision to use the atomic bombs was not a simple matter of cold malice. Eisenhower, Nimitz, Leahy, Spaatz, MacArthur, and other Allied Commanders had argued against it, but in the end Truman did what he felt whether rightly or wrongly to use the weapon to end the war. Nagasaki did not have to happen if Japan had surrendered after Hiroshima, they had time to surrender. In the case of Nagasaki the Japanese are partly responsible for the event since foot dragging as long as they did cost them a second strike. The fact that Japanese higher ups still debated surrender and insisting on terms such as preservation of the Imperial Throne, no occupation, leaving disarmament and demobilization to Japan, and having war criminals tried internally, while Hiroshima was flattened.
Given the savagery of the war who would accept such terms of surrender? Is that really a surrender or merely a truce? The blood of the Allies was afire after years of war in the case of China nearly a decade, Japanese conduct during the war was appalling and disgraceful. The terms the Japanese insisted upon were no small matters and would have essentially amounted to truce with hostilities postponed until a later date.
The last thing that needs to be considered is how much Japan has up-played the innocent civilian line. World War II was a total war no civilian was spared in its prosecution hardship happened, death happened. Japan had attacked civilians in China with WMDs, why the heck would they expect their own civilians to be spared if they failed and refused to spare the civilians of others? Japanese civilians did contribute to war production, even survivors of the Hiroshima bombing were on their way to make munitions that would be used in war. Nagasaki had a torpedo factory and steel works. Munitions only have uses in war or towards warfare they are not civilian products unless there is an innocent use of artillery shells and ordinance during a full blown war.
It was unfortunate that things has transpired this way but it was by 1944 a forgone conclusion that the Allies were not going to leave the Japanese civilian alone. The first attack on Japan occurred in 1942, for Japan it should have been a wake up call to accelerate plans for civil defense. Germany had defensive measures against aerial bombing they had AA guns and fighters. For Japan to be found so lacking when the USAAF came knocking in 1944 is rather shocking, either they had underestimated the Allies or they did not give much of a hoot for defending civilian population centers.
Anime portrayals of civilians is nearly universally positive, however such is not the case in the real world. Take a look at your general location in peace does every civilian get along just fine with other civilians? Is strife completely absent? Are there no social ill plaguing your society? Do you live in a land with gum drop lined roads and have lollipops rain down upon you? I think that if you want to harp about the ugliness of war you have to show the ugliness of how civilians can behave during war. In anime Japan is portrayed as a victim rather than aggressor for the most part, the US is usually bashed as a bad guy or incompetent with the rest of the West going along with it. China is now becoming a big bad guy in Code Geass and perhaps a few other series as well. I don’t think that we can cut anime staffers slack for doing this even with an artistic license.
Dumbing things down does not take anime forward. Japanese media are not the only ones guilty of this every other country does it in varying degrees. That still does not make it entirely excusable, and anime is not an exception. As viewers of anime we must understand that there is a propaganda value in it just like any other media.

Worry not for Japan has her own savior in the form of the the father, the son, and the holy shit…
The events of August 6, 1945 and August 9, 1945 were unquestionably a great human tragedy. The greater tragedy though can only be seen if you look at the context of why those weapons were used. We many never really know if it was the right decision or the wrong decision because the body count cannot be taken from the “if Hiroshima and Nagaski were not bombed scenario.” Can the righteousness of a decision even be measured by deaths alone? Having WMDs thrown around in anime without context reduces their use to mere fireworks that provokes little more than a “meh” from the viewer. We are no longer faced with the fog of war that brought about these events, but we are faced with the consequences of what happened.
Fortunately in the real world Anno need not be so vocal about rattling his finger, Prime Minister Abe is a hawkish man who shares with Anno an even greater desire to display Japanese Military Power. In fact many consider Japan to be a de-facto nuclear power given the number of nuclear power plants upon her soil. Suffice to say the future is a bit worrisome with a more hawkish Japan, a nuclear North Korea, a deteriorating Pakistan, India and China’s pending and inevitable superpower status, the increasingly cornered Taiwan/Formosa, and a re-arming South Korea. Worse case scenario we may have a Mexican standoff on our hands. As it stands three of them have it out for one country and two of them have a lot of trouble playing nice on their borders, and the last one is in trouble of becoming an international pariah. If Japan folds most if not all anime studios fold with it, even in anime the circumstances of this unhappy world do affect it. Sure does put one at ease when thinking about it, eh?
Lastly here are the answers to the real non-anime picture quiz if you actually tried to answer:
1. Enola Gay the B-29 that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. Hiroshima was given the alarm at roughly 7:15 local. At 8:00 the alert was lifted as the Japanese detected not more than three planes. To conserve fuel no fighters were sent to intercept. No advisory was given to the populace to seek shelter despite the spotting of the three B-29s, the Japanese thought that it was a reconnaissance flight. At 8:15 Enola Gay dropped the first atomic bomb in wartime.
2. Bockscar was a B-29 commanded by Frederick C. Bock. The air raid alarm was sounded over Nagasaki at 7:50 local time, at 8:30 “all clear” was given. At 10:53 the Japanese realized that there were only two B-29s, again they assumed that the planes were doing reconnaissance and no further alarm was given. At 11:01 she dropped the bomb on Nagasaki 43 seconds later it detonated the second and hopefully the last atomic weapon used in warfare.
3. The atomic cloud over Hiroshima. About 90,000 died instantly the total death toll is estimated to have been 140,000. 22 minutes later the Japanese knew something major had happened, three hours later the magnitude of the destruction was realized. 16 hours later Tokyo learns that an atomic weapon had caused the devastation.
4. The atomic cloud over Nagasaki. About 70,000 died instantly, the final death toll is estimated to have been 80,000. On August 1, 1945 the USAAF had conducted a raid on Nagasaki’s shipyards, the damage was minor and many residents were evacuated, mostly school children. Had not the raid occurred the death toll may have been higher.
5. A picture of the Hiroshima cloud at ground level 7 km NE of Hiroshima.
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The story of Shu* » Blog Archive » You know you don’t want to know added these pithy words on Jun 08 07 at 12:37 pmIt is simply an unfortunate fact that the civilian was a militarily viable target in World War II, and was not killed simply out of war-driven malice. This needs to be kept in mind while retrospectively judging the actions of people in the past. By the time WWII rolled around, war had evolved into something with much more broad a scope than it had been in the past. War was no longer about defeating the other side’s military on the battlefield; the civilian industrial and economic capacity to support the war as well as a broader will to continue fighting were at least as important as the people wielding weapons on the battlefield. Nor was the decision to attack the Japanese civilian population even necessarily a racist one; German cities such as Hamburg and Dresden suffered catastrophic destruction at the hands of Allied bombing.
The use of the nuclear weapons on two Japanese cities, however, is a unique issue entirely and, as you mentioned, the ethics of their use will probably be debated forever. It is certainly the case that previous firebombings had already done much more damage to both Japan’s population and infrastructure before the atomic bombs were used. It is often argued that the country’s will to continue the war would have deteriorated within weeks from when the atomic bombs were dropped if they hadn’t been, and thus their use was wholly unnecessary. On the other hand, it is suggested that the use of the atomic bombs on Japan provided such a clear and profound demonstration of the weapon’s destructive potential prevented the advent of a much more destructive nuclear exchange during the Cold War.
It is an unfortunate reality of “total” war that defeat is just about the worst thing that could possibly happen to a nation, and so it is forced to be willing to go to take any action within its means to an extent far beyond boundaries in order to not be defeated.
JRoxas added these pithy words on May 17 07 at 11:18 amExcellant synopsis. Read Hoyt’s Book “Japan’s War: The Great Pacific Conflict, 1863 to 1952″ For a great back gound. It includes a seriuos attempt to present a Japanese view of the conditions that lead up to the WW II.
A couple of comments:
The japanese school sysyem was controlled by the military starting in the twenties (see Hoyt). The system set up by the military coupled with the training on of the Japanese recruit/draftees was factor in the Japanese treatment of the Chinese and others during the war.
The use of the atomic needs to be viewed from two perspectives:
The American view of how we thought the Japanese would react to its use.
How Truman intended to intimidate the USSR by using it.
The American view of the battles in the Phillipines, Saipan, Iwo and Okinawa and the concern over the planned invasion of Japan.
This should be contrasted with the Japaneses military’s view of the atomic bomb after it was dropped (again see Hoyt). They were more concerned about the effects of the fire bombing of the Japanese cities and the end of the non-aggression pact they had with the USSR during the war.
For a sort and effective take on the fire bombing watch the documentary the “Fog of War” The extent of the damage to Japan caused by the firebombing was truly unbelievable. The effect of the atomic bombs pale by comparison.
Fuse01 added these pithy words on May 17 07 at 11:33 amSince we’re already too deep to go back,I will continue(is this an anime blog?).
You talked about a failure of the military command,that’s of course one part of the story.But I am curently reading a book precisely on the japanese foreign policy before WWII.
It’s quite clear that it wasn’t only the army that are responsible for the mess.Since the “black ship” in the 1860s,japanese were paranoïd.
At one point,the politicians(not only the army) decided that mandchuria was necessary for the survival of Japan.The problem was that japan had no legitimacy to occupy mandchuria and the chinese governement(or what was left of it after 1911)would oppose it.
So after “securing” Mandchuria in the early 30s,the Kantung army became the northen china army,then the central china army unti it reached south china and invaded Indochina.
It wasn’t only the soldiers who were responsible for this.It’s the whole policy that didn’t make any sense.The politicians were as convinced as the soldiers that mandchuria was vital.
Invading and occupying China was never in the plan.It just……happened.Because the japanese had no policy,they didn’t know what to do.
The young ultra-nationalist officers of the Kantung army made it worse by launching “incident” that discredited completely the diplomats.But they only did it because the civilian leadership allowed them to get away with it.The moment the ultra-nationalist tried to take power in Japan,they failed.
That’s the crazy thing,Japan’s policy wasn’t the product of few crazy ultra-nationalist people,it was the product of relatively moderate people who took decisions by consensus.The result was a disaster.
The worst is when you realize that they still use this style of government today.It seems that in Japan,consensus is sacred,it’s almost a religious myth.
So,I completely agree with you.The idea that only a few crazy generals who deceived the people are responsible for WWII is ridiculous.It’s a sad story,but the whole country or at least its intellectual and political elite is responsible for WII.
ZeusIrae added these pithy words on May 17 07 at 1:38 pmExcellent article, Crusader.
However, while talking from a military perspective, you truly forgot about the education system from 1945 onwards.
Numerous editing of history textbooks so that it either talks about Japanese victory or the civilian cost of the bombs, pro-Japanese propoganda, and what have you, they are brainwashing the new generation of Japanese to reignite the fires of war. And this has been reported on many times recently.
Fortunately, all is not lost. Most of the Japanese still oppose war, and it seems like there will be quite a lot of backlash if Abe were to trudge ahead with his inane plan. Of course, one can only hope.
Also, there are Christians in Japan. Not much, I’m afraid, but that’s more than enough. I plan to go over there and help them as soon as I can, time, money and the Divine willing. Where there are Christians, there is hope, and we need a lot of it if we want to avoid a World War 3. Of course, we all know better… … …
Oddly enough, half the time, I would approve of another round of nukes on Japan. While I do believe Japan has changed, half of me knows better. And that’s not just because they make some of the worst porn in the world (This is a truth). I have been rather fortunate to have some schooling in History, not just general stuff, but also in recent history from the Russian Revolution onwards to the fall of communism, and while I think the education system here is geared towards making the new generation of ministers (we have no lack of that here), and while they did not mention in full detail the firebombing of Japan (it was a mere mention, what did you expect, I was only 15/16 when I took this subject), I do know that the Japanese would fight to the last man should they be invaded. I also know that the Japanese sentiment has really not changed, but merely sugarcoated through the positive portrayal of Japan’s economic success, animé and the like.
While I do like Japanese food, animé, and the more positive aspects of their culture, I still heed the advice of the older generation, the ones who actually experienced the horrors of the Japanese invasion.
Just like a leopard neer changes his spots, Japan’s sentiment towards the West has not changed. Sure, Abe may not visit Yasakuni in the forseeable future and wants to make miltary alliances with China and the West (the ‘official’ media reason for Abe wanting that treaty changed and abolished, it would be a sad day if he does realize that that treaty is vague enough to interpret it any way he likes), but the elders here know better.
We all must be watchful of Japan, for we might be caught with our pants down (and penis erect). Stay vigilant, and carry a big gun.
(For the record, Crus, I am from Singapore, one of the countries occupied by Japan in WW2, so I know my stuff. It’s freakin’ everywhere here. Even if I did hole up and not go out, I still have my education.)
DrmChsr0 added these pithy words on May 17 07 at 2:12 pmI’d like to mention that this was really well written. Like a lot better than that one on Anno.
afreaknamedpete added these pithy words on May 17 07 at 8:37 pmO_o… I wrote like a page and a half, and for some reason the blog only submitted my first sentence! Argh… I don’t have the patience to type it up again.
afreaknamedpete added these pithy words on May 17 07 at 8:41 pm@Drm
I wouldn’t be so pessimistic on the evolution of Japan and its society.
Personnaly,I believe that the post-1945 is a peaceful nation and there’s no reason to believe it will regress.
One obvious reason is that political situation in the near and long-term doesn’t allow it.The imperialist Japan benefited from a special and short period where China was weak.
It doesn’t mean that Japan won’t be involved in a war in the future.But I believe it would be a war imposed by the circumstances rather the result of an agressive and imperialist policy.
Even today,a large part of the japanese society doesn’t like the idea of having an “official” army.
ZeusIrae added these pithy words on May 18 07 at 12:17 pmZeus: You wouldn’t know.We can’t see tomorrow, so the past is all we have to look at. While the Japanese don’t want war, it’s because they don’t want to get burnt. Getting hit by nuclear warheads does that to a nation. But their history textbooks say otherwise, etc. Sure they don’t want to go to war now, but what about the future? We wouldn’t know about that, would we?
DrmChsr0 added these pithy words on May 18 07 at 8:48 pm@JRoxas
One of the most telling things about the Second World War was how the Germans were viewed as opposed to the Japanese. While the SS was hated and ridiculed even by the Old Guard of the Wehrmacht, the Wehrmarcht was for a significant portion of the war treated with respect by the Allies. The German General Staff and the average Wehrmacht soldier was respected and admired by the Allies because they were the epitome of being professional soldiers. Even today there is a begrudging respect for them because they did try to remain apolitical and for the majority of units they did not partake in the actively in the persecutions. They had the tactical finesse and were very flexible and innovative.
The Japanese soldier was pretty much hated after the knowledge of how they treated their enemies and civilians became known. Respect today is largely limited to their use of light infantry tactics, but their glaring lack of tactical imagination, archaic doctrine, emphasis on trophy kills and strategic oversight stand out.
I agree that the use of atomic weapons in anger really did raise awareness of how dangerous these weapons were.
As for defeat being the worst thing in total war, I find that winning it doesn’t make you much better off. China was counted among the victors, but after the war they had a civil war and ended up with +50 years of communism with The Great Leap Forward, and the Cultural Revolution. Poland was a victor and was abandoned in the end to Stalin. The rapid recovery of Germany and Japan was in part due to having to rebuild infrastructure thus they used the latest technology. I find that political apathy is probably the worst thing for a nation because when that happens the crazies take over.
@Fuse01
While it is true that the Military did control the Japanese school system, I feel that it has really been up-played as a crutch to absolve people of personal responsibility for their actions. Kids joined the Hitler Youth but after their defeat they did try to make amends because there was a level of personal responsibility for what they did. The Military was a significant part of German Society up to WWII since prior to WWI men were drafted into the military and one of Germany’s advantages in the First World War was her ability to call up reserves faster than anyone else. The Prussian military officer caste endured as did the old military tradition. The thing is that the Wehrmacht tried to become a state within a state, the Japanese Military chose to take over and dictate. It was the old guard of the German General Staff that were wary of the Nazis because they were afraid that war would be disastrous for Germany because they realized that they were not ready for it.
While kids go to school every day does that make every one of them compliant? I think not since you will have drop outs, you will have those kids that refuse to conform. Yes there were consequences to it, but why did teachers choose not to subvert military directives? The Japanese secret police was known more for random brutality rather than methodical operations, the only reason why they got any Soviet spies because Stalin sold them out. The fact that the Japanese military hierarchy did breakdown with insubordination of junior officers leading to catastrophes, and enlisted men running amok indicates that blind obedience was not the order of the day despite the rhetoric of “we just followed orders.”
Stalin knew about the bomb and the end of the non-aggression pact was a forgone conclusion since Stalin was starting to stake claims. By stripping down their forces in China they were vulnerable to a mechanized army sweeping down from the north since there was not much in the way of restrictive terrain. The USSR had no reason to stay out of the war once Germany was defeated. I find it rather dimwitted to believe that the Soviets would honor their agreement with, Stalin leading no less, given their strategically and tactically inferior position. The Soviets had already slapped the Japanese Army around in Mongolia so there was no myth of invincibility to overcome.
The firebombing was more of a concern as was the drastic reduction of shipping routes. However the atomic bombs did bring home the fact that Japan was now really technically inferior to the Allies. Japan had already fallen behind in armor, radar, small arms, and aviation. While they had prototypes they did not posses any in quantity or in battle worthy condition. Okinawa was a dry run for the invasion of Japan since it had a civilian population and was an area where the Allies had hoped that civilian cooperation was forth coming as the Ryukyuans were ethnically distinct and had resisted Japanese their overlords in past. The fact that the Allies entered a bloodbath was very convincing to some Allied Commanders that the invasion of Kyushu was going to have a greater death toll for both sides. If your best case scenario fails then what hope could the Allies hope for in the worst case scenario?
“Fog of War” really was a cold analysis of war reducing the human cost to a mathematical calculation.
@ZeusIrae
While their was no overall master plan the idea was that the conquest of China would be piece meal. However the rhetoric changed when the US started to apply pressure. There was a Japanese boast “that Shanghai would fall in three days and China in three months.” Thanks to the actions of the 400 NRA troops who formed the rearguard that boast fell out and it did prove that if the playing field was more level China could hold her own. Japan did have designs on Siberia and the South Pacific after the US oil embargo.
It is sad that the failure of the 1936 coup is largely forgotten since it did prove that the civilian government and the Emperor could quash a political coup if they chose to. The fact that the slide into having Generals and Admirals in civilian positions was relatively smooth is quite damning since it did not have to occur unopposed. Hirohito was not a leader of men he was a throne hugging coward in my opinion because he did not want to risk his throne even if meant saving his people or averting a war that Japan could not afford. He did not offer abdication as a means to end the war, it dragged on so that he could keep his throne. Just because he allegedly remained silent does not absolve him of responsibility, thus there is some veracity in wanting to have him hang at the end of the war.
I don’t think that consensus is the primary problem. I think that they do have differing opinions, however because they are not vocal about it political apathy is a great danger. Any one can see that rattling sabers is not the smartest thing to do at this time. However I think that Abe’s government is arrogant for thinking that the world will be receptive to having her having a more active military. The Far East is generally opposed to it, only the Taiwanese crazies are for it. If Japan takes a greater role there will be consequences to foreign interventions as the US, Europe, Russia, and the West have found to their cost. Being a great power has a cost there is no free ride. Collective responsibility goes beyond personal responsibility it entails the moral courage to try and further the healing process and prevent a repeat of the disaster.
@DrmChsr0
There are days that I feel that all the fanatics of this world must feel the nuclear fires of retribution. However I agree with ZeusIrae in that Japan cannot throw around military power with little opposition. China is coming to superpower status though internal problems need to be addressed in a more acceptable manner for world opinion. China can afford to have a larger navy. South Korea has a powerful military in her own right and is trying to increase her own navy. North Korea is in desperate straits and may lash out before collapsing. The decline of North Korean and the increase of Chinese and South Korean military power means that Japan is not the biggest fish in the pond. Besides the South Korean Marines boasted a 25 to 1 kill ratio in favor of the ROKMC during the Vietnam debacle, they could shred Japanese divisions that have no combat experience, besides their areas of responsibility are very safe. China has a lot of playground for her military, Japan barely has a firing range in comparison.
The US is not going to bail out Japan if it means going to war with China unprepared. Given the strain of having US troops in Japan if Japan chooses to kick the US out and go her own way the China-Taiwan conflict may take a back seat. The US can simply strengthen ties to South Korea since if war does come South Korea does not want it to spill over and the US would dearly like to see how Chinese arms stack up to US and Japanese arms if Japan becomes hostile to the US. I would not put it above the CCP to give more leeway to Taiwan if she feels threatened by Japan. It be a good time to rouse up Chinese nationalism in Taiwan as well since the artificial idea of a distinct Taiwanese identity separate from Chinese influences has yet to really catch on, if ever. Besides if people in Taiwan are voting for US statehood as an option in regards to the future of Formosa being Taiwanese isn’t really selling all that well.
So Japan has little hope of having a staging area for any raids on China proper let alone an invasion unless she takes Taiwan by force, the US has committed herself to helping and defending Taiwan. World opinion will go against Japan in a heartbeat if she invades a neutral, even one that is “diplomatically isolated.” China still has a friend in North Korea. If Abe chooses war he will be in the strategically inferior position as the South Koreans won’t take lightly to fighting so close to their backyard. South Korea now has the military power to prove her point. Hell the US could just move the 7th Fleet elsewhere since Japan is not the only strategic point as the Russian fleet is no longer of primary concern. In fact its significance has in many ways declined as opposition to US deployments in Japan has resulted in a progressively smaller presence.
New Zealand and Australia do not have a large stake in a third Sino-Japanese conflict. If they choose to takes sides it will be with opposition at home since it makes little sense to do so if Abe gives the West the finger and the distance is so vast. While there will be economic consequences Japan hasn’t actually been the nicest to Australia and New Zealand they got a gimped overpriced PS3 while the Japanese got discounts. Besides the economic consequences will not be long and drawn out since other rising economies can fill the gap, sending in troops for such a minor reason won’t sit well.
Abe can teach patriotism all he wants because he lacks the means to make people listen. It will be a waste of resources to teach love of Japan since love is something you feel not something taught in a classroom. I oppose nationalistic teachings because it is a waste and is not conductive of rational thought. Being a patriot is supporting your country all of the time and your government when it deserves it. Abe to me seems confused about the difference between the government and the country. Besides with a dropping birthrate that shows little sign of slowing Abe doesn’t have much of a generation to throw into the crucible of war. Abe is not a military threat so much as what he is doing is militarily stupid. Bad economy, dropping birthrate, young people without homes of their own, and much more ought to worry him. Alas he only sees that which is outside and not the crumbling house within, one day the floor will fall out from under his ass if he does not change.
The textbook issue and general Japanese ignorance to a very trying time for the rest of the world is worrying. However the threat is not so much military any more as is their inability to eventually integrate into a world culture if they remain ignorant about every one else. Because WWII is ignored they are missing out on the discourse of the issues that it did bring about and the world that it ushered in.
@afreaknamedpete
I would like your input on this, if you have the time.
You know what, you’re right.
And it’s sad that you are.
It’s sad how something bad becomes necessary. (What has the world turned to!?)
It’s sad how its reality has turned a people into a pitiful mess. Not all of its people of course, but you can still feel that many are experiencing the ripple effects of such tragedy.
And it’s even A LOT MORE SAD that people are still game, for war.
Evil becoming a necessity. Are we all really set on killing ourselves? Is peace and diplomacy merely a fantasy?
For the record, while the world is still in pieces, I have liked many WW2/war-themed anime, not because of the anti-American sentiment if there was any shred of it in the medium, but simply because time and time again it is insisting that war is BAD and must not be done. I have also liked the vehement stress on peace and the extinction of war. There is nothing wrong with that, or is there?
Everything in this post along with the comments (about the inevitability of superpowers having their fingers itch on the trigger) has just blown out all hope and optimism for a better world with people getting along. (Unless there is something you have to calm me down with.) It is not at all comforting this speculation a bunch of you are having about the Northern East Asian countries rising up each other whether for or against the US. Those are enough to cause anxiety and stress, but it is made worse when coupled with the fact that the US still have enemies to deal with in the form of the “terrorist nations”. Is the world really geared towards a road to war and total destruction?
A thought on the side… has the US ever acknowledged that while it was indeed necessary to go through with the bombings, has it ever acknowledged that they were bad? Or would remorse for the deaths of the truly innocent nullify the necessity (or whatever moral good) of those bombings, hence they would rather not show any sign of sorry. That’s just really sad.
I would also like the point out that there was a Schindler-type of Japanese man here in the Philippines. He had a family, before the war he took a Filipino wife and adopted her children. During the war he was made guide or translator, but he made it his mission to find ways to save the natives, sometimes even defying his own countrymen and risking his very life. He had to separate himself from his family because of the danger he drew to them. Just a few weeks before he died many years later, it was only then that he got reunited with them.
And you know, there really are Japanese out there who are truly remorseful of what they have done in the War. And this is coming from a Filipino.
Anonii added these pithy words on May 20 07 at 9:17 am“…has the US ever acknowledged that while it was indeed necessary to go through with the bombings, has it ever acknowledged that they were bad?”
No, nor should they. It was WAR, Anonii. Not a local thing like Iraq, but fullblown, all-out, no holds barred, no quarter offered or given, war. If Japan, Germany, or the Soviets acquired the bomb first, they wouldn’t have even considered not using it.
It’s easy, not to say facile, to look back from a distance of 62 years and say “oh, that was bad, we shouldn’t have done that.” Simply put, the times and the situations were different, in a way that’s almost impossible for most to comprehend in 2007.
Besides, Crusader’s thoughts aside, using The Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was quite possibly the best choice of the three plans on the board to end the war (though that should probably read ‘the least bad’). Invasion would have killed or wounded hundreds of thousands of Allied soldiers and sailors and millions of Japanese troops and civilians. Blockade and the attendant destruction of the Japanese road, rail, and harbor network would have brought starvation and famine to millions of civilians (indeed, it took a massive influx of food from the US military to prevent just that after WWII ended anyway).
If you had the choice, which would YOU choose? And no, ‘none of the above, I’d negotiate’ is NOT a choice.
(personal note: My grandfather was in one of the first divisions scheduled to hit the beach during Operation Overlord. Knowing that my father wasn’t born until shortly AFTER WWII ended, I fully expect that I wouldn’t be here if Overlord occurred.)
Wonderduck added these pithy words on May 20 07 at 10:21 pmAnonii,it’s sad but there’s no need to get all emo over it.It’s part of life,you don’t complain that people die,do you?Same thing for war,unfortunate but unlikely to disappear.People who start wars are not necessarily stupid or crazy,they can be perfectly rational and well-intentioned.Hell is paved with those.
Crusader’s post was a necessary reminder that all things are not nice and pretty in Japan.Western anime fans have a tendency to forget it and idealize it(some teachers give me some really scary stories).So sometimes,it’s necessary to remind people that it’s a normal country.
“He did not offer abdication as a means to end the war, it dragged on so that he could keep his throne.”
The imperial throne was always an extremely symbolic matter.I don’t think we can merely reduce it to a problem of moral courage.
I think the consensus is partly responsible because it ensured that no decisions could be made without compromise.For exemple,it was impossible for Yamamoto to go to the Imperial palace and say “this war is suicidal,stop it now”.It would never have worked.So the extremist(or the fools)were naturally favored.Decisions always took the past of least resistance.
Oh,I wanted to ask,cruasder.Have you read Zipang?
ZeusIrae added these pithy words on May 21 07 at 9:29 am@Anonii
The sad truth about war is that if it really were so easy to end it would have already been done. That being said humanity has survived numerous wars, after all procreation never ceases so things may change. As for the morality of things I see it as a rather empty gesture to deplore the bombings now since every major power used indiscriminate bombing. That was just eh reality it was acceptable then and is acceptable in total war though there has not been a total war since then.
I do think that there is a propaganda value in anime that goes beyond simply war is bad. There is some anti-foreign sentiment and it does come out. every War anime that deals with actual warfare implicitly glorifies it. The best argument against war is not always the savagery of the fighting, but what war does to a society. The post war world is the best place to showcase the scars that it gives to people, however anime does not show much of the post war but even then it serves as a back drop for more fighting.
While there are remorseful Japanese put there they are really in the minority. As for feeling the crush of this world bear in mind this has always been this way for people. People then and now still searched for a better world to our credit the slave trade is no longer seen as legitimate though it has not died out. As sad as the war itself was what is sadder in my opinion is that its lessons go on forgotten. The case that you brought up of the conscientious Japanese national being forgotten and only known by a few and going on unnamed is a tragedy in itself because his story was never told. If you want to keep hope alive I suggest doing research on your unnamed hero and bring his story to be heard.
@Wonderduck
I think you meant Operation Downfall the planned invasion of Japan. The interesting thing is though the Allies were probably going to invade in mid-1946 by then Stalin could have launched his own assault and Japan may have been cut into two ala the Koreas. As bad as the US occupation and use of the bombs were I think Stalin would have done a good number on them.
@ZeusIrae
I find the sentimental attachment to a symbol to be rather dimwitted when there is a real possibility that no one will be left to pay homage to the symbol. Hirohito is no god he bleeds just like any other man we should not excuse him from the same criticism that was leveled at the Catholic Church for not doing more. If the King of Norway could offer his abdication to give his people the option to surrender if they chose to (even if he wished to oppose the Nazis) then why was such courage lacking in Hirohito? None of the other monarchs of the time insisted upon fighting to save their thrones. Those thrones were also a symbol for their respective peoples, but only the Japanese insisted upon the symbol coming before the people. Hirohito did not abdicate after the war he stayed on, obviously he felt no real responsibility for the debacle or he didn’t really give a damn. The Japanese Imperial Line is not continuous there were outside parties that fucked with it before so why in the hell should they be excused for insisting and claiming that reason as if it was a rational thing to do?
I am very critical of Hirohito and I will never allow his “godhood” to excuse him for his actions or lack there of. Symbol or no symbol if it means the death of a people for just this reason only it is not worth it. If they chose to value life so cheaply for such a cause then they ought to have no right to play victim now and falsely proclaim that they were innocent victims. If they were willing to die for the throne there should be no reason for them to bitch and whine if the Allies simply obliged them.
As for Zipang I have never read it. I don’t think there is an English translation of it.
Crusader added these pithy words on May 21 07 at 10:50 pm@Crusader
The case that you brought up of the conscientious Japanese national being forgotten and only known by a few and going on unnamed is a tragedy in itself because his story was never told. If you want to keep hope alive I suggest doing research on your unnamed hero and bring his story to be heard.
i was attending this conference sponsored by the university’s Japanese Studies department, on Filipino-Japanese relations. the grandson of the Japanese man i mentioned was the speaker, but it seemed like a very personal matter for it to be taken out into the open. but like you, it’s a story i wish to be told. though i wonder if people (especially Filipinos, those who have the deepest scars from the Japanese in the war) are ready to accept that fact anyway.
anime hasn’t been the only reason i am like this. the first thing that got me into this kind of thinking about the war (in that it is terrible as can be well witnessed from its repercussions) was because of my Western History professor in Uni. part of his curriculum was World War II, and he opened my eyes to the fact that “not all Germans are evil” or that “things aren’t always as they seem… there is no side that is purely good/evil”, etc. (to this day, i am grateful to have ever taken his class.) anime simply showed to me that this is the case with the Japanese too. i don’t believe that every single Japanese during that time was that antagonistic, just as we’ve had Germans who sympathized the Jews, etc.
regarding your comment about war anime, can you give me a title that you have at least accepted or found tolerable as a decent image of wars? is there one, or are you accusing all war anime in general to have some kind of anti-war sentiment? i think there are some titles that are simply showing how bad war can be without hyping up any kind of foreign antagonism. sometimes i actually think that the stress is more on blaming the government for everything, blaming themselves for what’s happened, instead of castigating the “invaders”. in Grave of the Fireflies for example, it was a simple illustration of how harsh war can be, even showing how the closest of relatives can become cruel in times of extreme hardship. i do think the more important focus of those kinds of anime is the nasty after effects, to an individual, to a society, to a nation, in the horrifying immediate, and in the unfortunate long-term. because looking at them in the purest form ultimately makes you not want to have a war, which is the view everyone must share even if it is laughably impossible.
probably not exactly related but around this time last year, a CNN anchorman mentioned Germany’s relief at hosting the World Cup just to break down all those old misconceptions about Germans. you see, the stigma is still there. because of things like my history lessons, and war anime, i was able to recognize that.
@ZeusIrae
i blame my Philosophy curriculum for turning me into something of an idealist. Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas and the others are haunting my conscience with keeping a firm grip and strong faith on the insistence to uphold the should and the must.
Anonii added these pithy words on May 22 07 at 9:52 am@Anonii
While it is true that the there was no clear cut good vs evil in any war the actions that the Nazis and Japanese took shocked the rest of their contemporary military peers. It was inconceivable to most Allied commanders at the time that the Nazis and Japanese would waste military resources on extermination campaigns even when the tide had turned.
Grave of the Fireflies is among the few exceptions in the war animes that does go beyond the good vs evil dynamic. In Gundam Seed and Code Geass they simply talk about fighting for a better world and the necessity of a war to end all wars. Do you see civilians of one faction turning upon one another? The truth is that they are merely reduced to innocent bystanders which is not the case in any war. Under duress humans do terrible things to one another. Families get broken up. The sick are left to die. Children are sold, and more often or not women have to do “favors” to get daily necessities. That is what I think that anime has most often ignored there is civilian ugliness to it. When the Jews were being persecuted there was no shortage of cutthroats who extorted from them or sold them out to the Gestapo.
The Japanese may not have been evil incarnate, however their systematic rape of women alone is something that is very hard to forgive since the Japanese pretend it never happened. People have to forgive one another for the troubled past but if one refuses to admit their own wrong doings there can be no forgiveness. For some there can be no forgiveness in this life or the next there are things that people do to other people that are darker than death or night.
I am a pragmatist and for me morality is not monolithic nor set in stone. More often or not no one is innocent once their mother has left the room. Still I will fight for your right to dream.
Crusader added these pithy words on May 22 07 at 11:50 am“@Wonderduck
I think you meant Operation Downfall the planned invasion of Japan.”
Yep, sure did. I even had an excellent book on the subject (”Downfall” by Richard Frank) sitting on my desk as I was typing my comment, and I STILL got it wrong. Sheesh.
“The interesting thing is though the Allies were probably going to invade in mid-1946 by then Stalin could have launched his own assault…”
Well, that’s somewhat problematical. The US specifically told Stalin NOT to invade Japan; whether or not he would have listened is another question, of course. Then there’s the problem of transportation for the Soviet invasion force… the US really was the only power on the planet at the time that could have accomplished the feat, and it would have strained the available resources pretty thin.
But IF it could have been accomplished, it’s quite possible that Tokyo could have ended up like Berlin during the Cold War. I actually wrote a paper on that very topic a few years back, and how it would have affected the world as we know it (short version: a lot fewer home computers, and almost certainly a nuclear war).
Wonderduck added these pithy words on May 22 07 at 8:44 pm
