Comments on: Bokurano Ep 6 - “Lust, Death and Pain”

By: Impz

Impz — Wed, 30 May 2007 05:35:14 +0000

@Deadlyrain: yes, i am a bit lost with the spoilers you provide, but i think it’s often this irony in anime that makes it good. Chizu’s arc in a way, is apparent that she no longer love her teacher anymore, but there’s little hate too as well.

@John Doe: wow, what a complex comment toward the situation. In a way, the collective usage of “ours” is a very powerful notion, since the fate of “ours” is similar, yet the constant betrayal of the notion with the issues and situations that happens brings a certain irony to the theme. It’s perhaps irony that can bring something of importance into stark focus.

By: john doe

john doe — Wed, 30 May 2007 04:19:07 +0000

it is ironic that when kodama was piloting the zearth kako thought it was awful that he killed people needlessly, considering that now kako is the selfish one. That is they both are delude by their fantasies, dreams or beliefs, and attempt to satisfy that object. One thing that seems to happen is that with the knowledge of one death, fear forces them to react differently. It is obvious, I stated it because it relates to an underlining theme of unity (”ours”)which is also apparent in “The Lord of the Flies”. Sad and interesting stories…truly.

By: Deadlyrain

Deadlyrain — Wed, 16 May 2007 20:16:01 +0000

@impz, yup it was, & just like the child with the prostitute for a mother (I’ll keep it secret so no spoilers)right before the fight that child saved one of the girls that made fun of them for having a prostitute for a mother, when she herself was having sex at that time.

& also, at the end of Chizu’s arc, I’d say she definitely didn’t love her teacher anymore, it was only after all that occurred with the teachers “friends” that I personally think she started to hate him.

By: Leon

Leon — Wed, 16 May 2007 15:49:47 +0000

Oh well, at least he got closer to Chizu than he did in the manga. xD

By: Leon

Leon — Wed, 16 May 2007 15:47:53 +0000

….

Kako’s not supposed to die that way.

>______

By: Impz

Impz — Wed, 16 May 2007 03:42:45 +0000

@Quickbrownfox: Well, the improvisation for me seems to work pretty fine actually. I do not know why but if Gonzo’s main job is simply to copy the manga right to the anime, it really sounds like a mundane job. Hah, maybe it’s just me, but if I am a film producer and I was told, “You cannot have your own idea about the show, deviate from it, and you simply follow scene by scene”, that sounds quite sad.

I guess the problem comes when what level of “psycho” is acceptable to the mass audience in terms of showing it on TV compared to merely a manga where people need to buy them before watching.

@Chris: Hmm, I actually feel that even though it is not yet disturbing that will turn my stomach, the moral implications are definitely there and the worst thing is that it is realistic. One movie that I have watched that is rather realistic and done decently well is Battle Royale. Gore and all that is present, but compared to the manga, it’s much more pleasant.

@Deadlyrain: She is perhaps more misjudged by the love toward her teacher than anything else. It is perhaps somewhat sad but it seems that she is simply someone in love. The admittance of sex was whorish though, no doubt about that at all. It’s at such a young age too..

@Vertago: I see. Hah, yes, you strike the point because most manga readers expect the animation company to translate scene by scene, plot by plot accurately but there are constraints on decency and impact to children/teenagers if they have anything too graphical. It’s not really good for tv consumption, something that is free to air, no?

I feel still currently that Kako cuts in well, but I have to wait for Chizu’s arc to see if it does make a huge difference.

@Adalmin: yep, read it, and replied.

By: Deadlyrain

Deadlyrain — Wed, 16 May 2007 03:10:00 +0000

@Vertago:
I just read the manga & from what I read of the Chizu arc I really am shocked & somewhat sad for her… REALLY sad, I take back what I said before.

By: Adalmin

Adalmin — Wed, 16 May 2007 01:05:37 +0000

Off topic, but have you seen this?

http://animedesho.animeblogger.net/?p=2539

By: Vertago

Vertago — Tue, 15 May 2007 22:13:35 +0000

Well one thing…after u find out Chizuru’s story (If they didnt change it too much). It will explain why I think they shouldn’t have changed Kako’s death in the anime. Chizuru should be a bit crazy and not trusting of others after what happened to her. Uhg reading the manga then watching the anime is usually always bad. It makes one to judgemental…but then again GONZO ruins a lot of manga adaptations…/sigh

By: Deadlyrain

Deadlyrain — Tue, 15 May 2007 20:57:01 +0000

In my opinion I just find Chizu to be a bit whorish considering in the previous episode she found no shame in having a public knowledge relationship with a teacher, & even admitting she enjoyed this relationship of hers.

By: Chris

Chris — Tue, 15 May 2007 20:49:18 +0000

Well Narutaru was also toned down a bit in the anime version, I only saw one image of the episode 11 killing in the manga and that was enough, it was way more graphic than the anime version which was very disturbing to start with. I’ll wait till ths series is over, read blogs on it, and if the series ends up being as dark and creepy as Narutaru I’ll go back and watch it.

By: quickbrownfox

quickbrownfox — Tue, 15 May 2007 17:03:12 +0000

I really wanted to see the manga version animated, but well… they already started drifting away anyway, with the arrangement shifted, and some things(like the crib, and the throat-slitting) missing…

I’m still planning on enjoying this, though it makes it feel watered down, but if I need some psycho fix, I can just reread. Just hope Gonzo’s improvisations don’t end up as complete disappointments. I forgive them for this one, as long as they can make up for it…

By: Impz

Impz — Tue, 15 May 2007 16:20:14 +0000

@Vertago: That is perhaps why there is always comparison between the manga and anime. Compared to the manga, the anime series, due to its medium, is more reserved and less likely to deal with such controversial situations. Ideas and themes that can be realized in the manga cannot be broadcast in the anime.

In a way, the more tender treatment of this episode will probably be more suitable for me, than what you have said about the manga. I am not that suited for brutal stuff.

I will say that the point of skipping around, particularly with Kako, is to show the immediate impact of the pain and suffering that the children have to go through when they realized that they are going to die. In my opinion, kako represents that fear the most.

@Shiro: I sure don’t mind posting some images up of the preview, give me a few seconds to take the screenshots and I will give you a link, ok?

http://that.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/imageforshiro.jpg <— here you go

@Son Gohan: Hahah, as I explained with Vertago’s answer, I am actually ok with the toning down of the story. In a way, rather than making both of them total psychopaths, all of the children are in fact human, though very flawed in personality. The Gonzo treatment to me is the humanity of the children brought into the picture. By making it an accident, it makes it somewhat more like what happens rather than a kid happily slitting the throat off another.

By: Son Gohan

Son Gohan — Tue, 15 May 2007 15:18:15 +0000

Not seen the episode yet, but now I am greatly disappointed. I can forgive the pilot shuffling if they go back to their stories later, but I can’t accept that they toned down Chizuru’s killing. Why, oh why must Gonzo meddle with Kitoh’s wonderful storytelling? T__T

By: Shiro

Shiro — Tue, 15 May 2007 15:02:23 +0000

I’m not sure if they’ve been posted, so i wonder what happens in the preview for next episode. Its one of the stories i’m sure us manga readers need to know most about, in terms of change.

Would you post images up of the preview?