Not enough chakra isn’t really an excuse since prior to encountering Jiraiya, Itachi had only used the Mangekyou once on Kakashi. After that during the encounter with Jiraiya he wasted the Tsukiyomi on Sasuke right in front of Jiraiya and he still had enough chakra to do the Amaterasu.

i think it was kakashi who pointed out that ms or the continued use of sharingan can have adverse effect on one’s eyes”he asked how bad is your eyes or something like that” in theory when orochi and itachi fought itachi eyes where not as damaged compared to when he fought jiraiya also itachi used the Tsukiyomi on sasuke so the strain in using his eyes are getting to him

Hmm well we know Jiraiya is strong enough that he was considered the first choice for the role of Hokage.

Is Itachi strong enough to take on a Hokage candidate?

If he can beat Orochimaru, who beat Sarutobi, then I would have to say yes.

Then again, in the end wasn’t it Sarutobi’s body that really failed him, not his skills as a ninja.

If he could have hung on a little longer he could maybe have taken Orochimaru with him.

I think that Itachi simply meant at that particular time Jiraiya who hadn’t used as much chakra as himself, would be the victor.

If they were to meet again, with Itachi at full strength then maybe Itachi would have a more optimistic outlook on his chances of winning.

His statement may have been more based upon the situation rather than an outright declaration of who is stronger.

But yes it was rather disappointing at how quickly he took Orochimaru down, makes the snake sannin come off as rather pathetic…

DJ: Yeah I’m pretty sure if Sarutobi was the same age as Orochimaru, he would have defeated him. Orochimaru himself alluded to that during the battle. While it’s possible that Itachi was basing his judgement on the situation, it’s still a 2 on 1 battle which says a lot on Jiraiya’s power. And we must consider that Itachi could have used the Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu on Jiraiya as well.

Regarding the Itachi vs Orochimaru, I thought about it and considered that Orochimaru wasn’t truly pulling out all the stops like he did against Sarutobi. After all he wanted Itachi’s body, probably unharmed or minially harmed if possible.

Anca: Itachi is most probably not referring to Kyuubi Naruto because when you see when they encounter Naruto, they don’t even care about him seriously, even semi-joking about cutting his legs off. Also when Itachi said that, the rest of the whole dialogue was pretty much focused on Jiraiya so he would be also referring to Jiraya for that sentence.

As for the “best friend” theory, Itachi doesn’t even know that Sasuke and Naruto know each other, prior to that meeting.

maybe its like kakashi said about fight a mangekyou sharigan user, you have to have two people facing the opposite direction, one facing the guy and the other guy watching his back..although naruto would have jiriaya’s back and naruto wasnt that strong compared to itachi and fishguy(whatever his name is)

about jiraiya being able to summon creatures? i duno why but i thought that you could only summon one type of creature like frogs in jiraiya’s instance. can you summon more than that?

The answer is:

Rock beats scissor, scissor beats paper, paper beats rock.

OMG, is Chapter 246 out? xD -bypasses all talk about Oro-freak-

But Orochimaru is major lose. I’m not surprised he got PWNed that badly, even if he wanted Itachi’s body in one piece. Excuses, excuses xP

Well it seems that Orochimaru gets very weak before a body change. Look how easily Sasuke took him on, he couldn’t get any jutus at all, his body was falling apart. He only took up any fight at all because Sasuke didn’t kill him immediately. (my opinion.) I believe that Itachi’s eyes hadn’t had much damage from the Sharingan yet when he faced Orochimaru as well.

Personnaly, I think Itachi just didn’t think fighting with Jiraya was worth the effort at the time. He’d already had one fight that day, and had verified that Naruto had the Kyubbi. He had accomplished what he had come to do and saw no reason to fight unnecessarily. Why waste the effort?

i think it’s a matter of preferance. Itachi used that crazy jutsu on sasuke because he’s a sadist that enjoys torturing his little brother, and could care less about other people like jiraya. I think he avoided fighting kekkaishi and jiraya because he wasn’t interested in defeating them. As for orochimaru being weak, the flashback showed him caught in Itachi’s genjutsu. We have no idea how the fight fared before that, only that orochimaru got snagged in itachi’s gaze of death. I wouldn’t put one above the other, only they each have thier strong points. Jiraya is probably a little weaker then orochimaru. He lost to oro during the three way fight b/c he was heavily drugged and couldn’t use chakra. It’s all a matter of what circumstances each of them is in.

doesnt Mangekyou Sharingan have three jutsus or what..i read somewhere that mangenkyou means kaldescope so, is it just that one gensutu-specific move ?

now if itachi didnt use the mangekyou when he was fighting orochimaru then sasuke could stop orch from the soul transfer!

guy: It’s not confirmed how many crazy jutsus the Mangekyou Sharingan actually has. Since ‘mangekyou’ means kaieldoscope, so maybe every Mangekyou Sharingan looks different like how Itachi’s one and Kakashi’s one look totally different. And also maybe each MS has a different set of jutsus, which I think so because meta-plot-wise it will make the battles more interesting.

While he has him in that dimension, Sasuke should take out Kabuto while he’s at it ^-^

The manga goes into detail about the different elements or nature of a ninja’s abilities. The concept is much what eshchan said, the rock paper scissors concept.

If this is true then isnt Jiraiya elements of Wind, since he can use the Rasengan? According to the manga’s set of rules, Fire beats wind. Itachi is of Fire Element. Did the creator miss this, or is he going to explain in later chapters that Jiraiya is really water element? I hope they dont stuff up their own logic.

Earth > Water > Fire > wind > Lightening > Earth

If they follow their own rules, and my assumption are wrong and Jiraiya is of Water element, then they still have a fan.

I would love to see how the Konoha’s Yellow flash would have compared. Maybe we’ll see it through Naruto.

OMG!!!

I think I almost died laughing reading the latest chapter.

Konohomaru has outdone himself, Sai and Sasuke naked doing naughty things LOL!

Yeah Sasuke still has the Curse Seal and Kakashi’s seal on him but I don’t think he needs to transfer every 3 years because he’s still in his original body. Also I think the reason why Orochimaru had to switch is because his soul was incomplete so no matter which body he transfers to, it will always rot. Not because the jutsu makes him change.

Yeah it’s quite easy to mix it up. But I guess it doesn’t matter now that Orochimaru is gone….for the time being hehe

Well for every girl or guy that doesn’t like it, there’s 100 more girls that love it O_O I only find it weird Kishimoto used known characters for guy-onguy and nameless characters for girl-on-girl. Why not some Kurenai x Anko?? Hahahaha

@guy, lol yes he is! But not as bad as some manga ka’s out there ^-^

@alkanphel, maybe one day he’ll respond to his male fans and do something along those lines. ^-^ I know Anko has a lot of male fans and looks like the chick Sasuke is going after next wears hot pants. LOL Kishimoto was all pervy in this chapter, that was quite the butt shot of her ^-^

And about Kabuto, he probably is more use to Sasuke alive and besides Sasuke more than likely doesn’t see Kabuto as too much of a problem given how he took care of Orochimaru. He probably feels he could take him out any time he needs to.

I’ve always wondered about Kabuto, and what his motivations are. I’ve never truly been entirely convinced that he completely serves Orochimaru.

in the latest chapter 346 i think the new guy that sasuske recuited seems strong n he says he might b able 2 beat sasuske with zabuza’s old sword does that mean that zabuza was stronger than he looked…..n 2 does anyone kno wat sasuske is up 2?????

junior: Sasuke is probably gathering up a team to go attack Itachi. Maybe the rest will distract Kisame while Sasuke goes 1v1 with Itachi.

hey you know how the last frame of 347 ends with “this chakara, could it be”, and that girl probably thinks it orchimaru when its really sasuke..

maybe it is someone else, but i was saying that she would be suprised its sasuke,because sasuke took control over orch then sasuke has orch’s chakra..

i hope its not another character, kish is just filling the story with all these people

if sasuske iz gatherin a team 2 go after itachi then does that mean he has no intrest in naruto anymore n now that naruto killed that dude that steals hearts then the akatsuki guys prolly want him even more so som1 iz gonna get in the others wayn as far as i’m concerned akatsuki + sasuske =dead naruto.lol

bummer….m yet naruto still insists on bringin sasuske bak 2 tha village i’m sure there’s no jutsu 2 make that spoiled brat sasuske stay anyways n sai i don’t trust the dude one bit.
itz almost like this season is gonna break som fans hearts like all the garra lovers(tears) does he even hav his abilities anymore?????

i cant seem to get anymore naruto shippuden off of youtube, i dont know if its cuz theyre removing it or if its not out yet..

does anyone know a different site where you dont download anything…

Does Itachi and Kisama ever die in the episodes? I have only seen up to episode 82 and I am a good fan of Itachi and if he dies that will piss me off. And Kisama is awesome, does he die?

Yet… That is the key word. I am a big fan of Itachi and if he dies I will get pissed…. And Kisama’s Samehada sword is tight, it would suck for it to not in use.

@guy, depends what episode number you are looking for. It could just be that it isn’t out yet. Naruto is only airing every two weeks instead of every week right now.

Too bad the Beheading Sword doesn’t seem to have any special properties unlike the Samehada…yet!

hello this is the number one anime artist my skills are unrealistic i pwned all who get in my way if you think itachi is any in the naruto anime you haven’t seen skill yet lol holla at me at element_maxell@yahoo.com

what happen to itachi when he is defeated by sasukee

idk if anyone notices but there is a resemblance between the fourth and Jiraiya. but if they are related, and the fourth is the greatest shinobi, then that means Jiraiya has some of that power too. And he can use it to kill Itachi.

I mean look at the facts:
they both summon the Toad
they both know the rassengan
they both have the same hairstyle

And than you can put Naruto in the family tree because they all look related
and they r all perverted

Itachi doesnt stand a chanse vs Uzumaki blood

But thats just my theory

For Itachi to us the Sharingan doesn’t his opponent have to be looking right into his eyes. Itachi knew that Jiraiya was too smart to do this. Orochimaru on the other hand gets trapped by Itachi’s gaze and seems surprised at the power of Sharingan. I think Jiraiya is alot more savvy than Orochimaru in this regard and Itachi knew that he wouldn’t be able to use the Sharingan on him.

Hmm I’m starting to think along the same lines as you alkanphel (does that mean I’ve come over to the darkside I wonder?)

And that the reason Itachi backed down when faced with Jiraiya is simply because he perceived Jiraiya to be stronger than himself.

Kakashi certainly also thought that was the reason. He reasoned that Akatsuki had stayed away from Naruto for the last three years because Jiraiya was with him.

It was Chiyo who told them that the reason they hadn’t come after the Kyuubi since the last attempt was because of the amount or preparation required to extract a Bijuu.

However I think that Kakashi might have been partially right too. After all once they had the time to prepare it wasn’t Naruto they went after first but the one tailed Shukaku inside of Gaara instead.

orch is an interesting character, in ancient japanese myths and stuff, there is a nine tail demon and all the demons from the manga…there is also a eight tail snake by the name of Yamato no orch…sound familiar?! Orch was supposed to be the eight tail demon but Kish made him an actual character…

anywho, i think in naruto 353, you know how deidra says he wanted to kill orch..hes going to go after sasuke as a mission and he’ll tell saskue that kakashi knows how to do the mankgenyou sharagan,,,which might make sasuke wanna go back to konohona…oh and we might get to finally see if tobi is obito

ok my bf told me about this concept..

something about contrapelo..that with certain people and techniques you can’t win no matter how powerful you are. Just like the legendary sannins. It’s like a balance thing. slug - frog - snake .. so maybe itachi can’t deal with Jiraiy’s techniques but he can with orochimaru..

^_^

@ alkanphel

yeah orochi is the only one who’s sick enough to use those jutsus…hmp

thats funny…is a weasel a mongoose? cuz mongooses eat snakes

Wow, has anybody else read the latest chapter yet?

I can honestly say I did NOT see that one coming.

But now we know what’s up with Kabuto. I’m curious though, since it really seemed like Orochimaru was pottering about inside old Sasuke’s head, how can he be a part of Kabuto?

Or when he means ole snake eyes is part of him now, is it really Orochimaru or has Kabuto simply been messing around with the snake sannin’s DNA?

DJ: Well from reading the chapter again it seems to me that after Orochimaru died, Kabuto lost his way and purpose (assuming he’s not bullshitting Naruto) and so as to anchor himself to some ideal, he took the drastic step of grafting a piece of Orochimaru onto himself and maybe he’ll become the next “Orochimaru” to carry on his twisted ideals.

DJ: Yeah that is the logical way to explain what Kabuto did. But since this is still a shounen manga, don’t be surprised if somehow Orochimaru takes over Kabuto and comes back…

sasuke’s eyes seem to have gotten a little bit different, maybe its his intent to kill, or maybe hes growing his skill to the point where the mangenkyou sharigan will happen automatically, you know wit out killing his closest friend

Itachi is going blind from constant use of his eyes there is also a rumor going around saying he didnt murder his clan but someone else did and for sasuke to be spared he had to join the akatski

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well i think Itachi could not beat Jirachi that its beacuse Itachi was weakened by using his sharigan on another sharigan Kashasi earlier. This is one thoery. Another is Itachi and Hoshigaki Kisame objective was to attempt to capture Naruto and extract his tailed-beast Naruto would not be acputred without going down with a fight, fighting naruto plus naruto his little brother Uchiha Sasuke who has grown in strength and desperatly want to kill him. Itachi and Kisame would also have to fight yes you know him Jiraiya a very powerful ninja and Legendary Sannin. This would have been to much for Kisame and Itachi so they ran as Jiraiya would have protected Naruto with his life, as well as Kyuubi the demon fox inside Naruto would not want to be captured by the Akatsuki Organization knowing what they would do to him. Naruto would be a very dangerous force to Uchiha Itachi and Hoshigaki Kisame even though he huge amount of chakra his jutsu would be nothing to Jiraiya or Naruto in his demon fox state and the fox nowing he would be captured would be using all his tails when Naruto completely loses control and grows four chakra “tails” the demon fox’s personality takes control making Itachi and Kisame DEAD. i don’t think Itachi ramn away from Jiraiya but all three of his opponents at the same time.

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Here is what the fight wou;ld have looked like:

Uchiha Itachi(LEGENDRAY POWERFUL CHAKRA) and his fish friend (POWERFUL CHAKRA)Vs Jirachi

Looking at the actual situation, Itachi could have walked away with Naruto and Sasuke in custody provided he had eliminated Jiraiya first. The fact that he did not, shows either:

1. Itachi is stupid.
2. Jiraiya could not be eliminated, even with the Tsukuyomi that Itachi used on Sasuke.

Since I don’t believe Itachi to be stupid, 2 seems more likely.

Sidenote: A lot of people like to dismiss the fact that Jiraiya was not an obstacle for Akatsuki because of a short conversation Chiyo had with Kakashi. Chiyo states that prep-time was a factor, and just because of that, people assume that Jiraiya is not a major threat.

Chiyo’s statement largely deals with explaining why Gaara and the other jinchuuriki weren’t kidnapped until after the timeskip. It doesn’t explain the attempt with Naruto, and more importantly, it doesn’t change the fact that Itachi did make an attempt to go after Naruto preskip, just not enough to the point where he risked his life.

@Anthony: If it’s true that Itachi did not kill the clan, then that means that he WANTS sasuke to suceed, which would in turn, give meanign to the the use of tsukiyomi.(SP) He would put in more hate into sasuke, forcing him to get even stronger then he is now. He probably could have taken them all. If he had used tsukiyomi (SP) on naruto, kyubii wouldn’t be a threat. Therefore, I believe he left to keep them alive.

Also, Naruto is sasukes closest friend. If itachi really did kill the clan, then taking away naruto now would mean that sasuke would miss his chance at killing his best friend.

That’s just what i think.

I LOVE ITACHI he is so HOTT it was really mean what he did to sasuke
by killing his own parents just to test how strong he was but i still think itachi is the bomb i like him because he is strong, he is hott,he keeps his cool while fighting, and besides the boss i think he is the strongest in the whole akatski

also itachi said if he fought in that state, ( of exhaustion) it would end in a draw. My itachi is that fly. He could probably kill jiraiya with only a fair amount of difficulty.

I think the reason is simple. We can ask “well why NOT fight Jiraiya?” and think up reasons for getting into a fight, but that’s just it. There just wasn’t a reason. Fighting Jiraiya would just reveal the extent of Itachi’s abilities and waste time. Itachi has ALWAYS been a very secretive person. In some ways he’s the perfect ninja. I don’t think he shows more cards than he has to and Akatsuki as a whole is still trying to keep a low profile. Itachi also tends to want to finish things quickly, and he’s very cautious by nature. He’s a planner, but his plan to lure Jiraiya away from Naruto by exploiting his weakness for women didn’t work. On top of that, Sasuke showed up. More interesting is that Itachi seemed to think that using Tukiyomi on Sasuke given that opportunity took presedence over picking a fight with Jiraiya, which seems REALLY suspicious given Itachi’s other behavior patterns and Akatuki’s goals. Kisame seems to think that Itachi just enjoys being cruel, and that may be true, but Itachi makes very calculated decisions and its possible that Itachi saw a real necessity in using Tsukiyomi on Sasuke at that point. His subsequent decision to escape the battle unfinished was also calculated. Jiraiya had the advantage in surprising them and when it comes down to it, there was no good reason to battle it out. He had nothing to gain and everything to lose. Sure, they could have picked up Naruto, but they don’t really need him yet.

Besides, it makes for a good introduction to Itachi and Itachi vs Sasuke that was really EXCELLENT in the story at that point. So in the end it’s all about the storytelling.

Just MHO.

I Think that orochimaru underestimates Jiraiya in a similar way that sasuke always seems to underestimate naruto.
And Naruto wasn’t as weak as Sasuke thought.

for those of u who want to kno…Sasuke is gathering up all the strong sound projects to form their own “clan” to bring peace to the world.
however, his goal to kill itachi still remains

i tink its because jiraiya used to teach the leader of akatsuki, Pain .and tat pain mite have some feelings left for jiraiya so itachi didnt want to kill him.

orochimaru seemed to be more specialized in genjutsu and “copyable” ninjutsu, meaning itachi has the advantage. jiraiya is probably more into summoning techniques and stuff to help his taijutsu, barely giving itachi, if any, advantage with the sharingan.

here’s a concept, maybe itachi didn’t kill the uchiha clan, but was madaras, and itachi has joined akatsuki to keep a tab on madaras. and those whole sasuke thing is to prepare him to kill tobi should itachi fail.

Jiraya’s the man…Of course Itachi cant beat him.

Jiraiya will defeat that body of pein! also agree with the theory said by FeStealth maybe Itachi didnt kill Uchiha clan and its just preparing Sasuke.

That makes no sense. Itachi told Kisame plain and simple. If they were to fight Jiraiya then in the best case scenario they would kill him as well as dying themselves. He also said even if they had 100 more men it would not change that result. And someone posted it earlier and i agree with them that Oro didn’t want to harm the body because he wanted it as his container.

i think der is something in jiraiya that we dont know…. itachi said himself that he himself will have a hard time fighting jiraiya and they might kill each other at the end….. jiraiya can even beat pein one on one…..

itachi didn’t fight jiraiya because he’s really a good guy and didn’t want to hurt him. that’s all..