
Most people know I hardly dislike anything and I do not voice it out most of the time. However, this really turned me off big time that I need to let it out.
What the hell is with that kiss?
Someone please explain to me about the sudden kiss between the two of them. This is a situation where Yuuichi is mostly just teasing Ayu as a little girl, with no hint whatsoever for any romantic relationships in the previous 18 episodes. You can argue that they are in love 7 years ago, but that’s 7 years ago. Not now. I personally think that it’s a really bad execution, with that sudden kiss out of the blue. First, Yuuichi suddenly blushed looking at Ayu out of nowhere in this episode. Then, the kiss came. I am not denying that the relationship is progressing slowly due to Ayu’s comfort but that feels more like a friend’s comfort than a blossoming love relationship.
Even emotional turmoil by the two makes the “rebound relationship” argument weak since this is simply out of way completely. I need people to convince me that the kiss is not sudden because it is greatly to me. I expected a steady execution or at least some hints dropped along the previous 18 episodes about a liking. I don’t even demand a blush from Yuuichi, but perhaps some thoughts and hints to the relationship. If you are wondering, I am perfectly fine with Ayu’s ending because they are destined to be together, compared to Nayuki even though she is my favorite among the two. However, it is the sudden 0 to 100 LOVE meter gradation that really pisses me off.
Well, I just had to let this rant out. Do try to convince me that this is in fact logical because even a subtle form of realism in this relationship is thrown out of the window completely.
p/s: I still love Kanon a lot.
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whatever, the reasoning doesnt bother anymore…ive learnt that from the past 18 episodes
Danny added these pithy words on Feb 09 07 at 10:54 pmI TOTALLY agree with you, Impz. That kiss was totally uncalled for.
And this is why I hated Kanon in the first place.
It’s logical, impz.
I mean, what 17-year-old male wouldn’t want to be seen smooching a 10-year-old loli in the middle of the day on a wide avenue?
lolikitsune added these pithy words on Feb 09 07 at 11:17 pmI see a droplet of saliva falling ![]()
My, my, my. I’ve never seen/heard/read a kiss more disturbing in this blog than ever, and to think it’s a kiss “uncalled for.”
It’s a good think I don’t watch Kanon. (happily runs away from murderous Kanon-fans.)
ThirteenSugars added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 12:00 amDagnabit! It’s a good “thing” not “think.” (sighs)
ThirteenSugars added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 12:01 amOr maybe just think of it as fanservice for the coming Valentine’s Day.
ThirteenSugars added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 12:05 amYeah, the kiss was placed very oddly. I have to agree with Impz (and many Kanon fans it seems) that the kiss was totally uncalled for. There was no buildup/fleshing-out of U1 and Uguu’s relationship other than the few flashbacks in the episode…
… even then, U1 has those flashbacks with every girl he’s ran into (sans Nayuki) during this series, yet he has not gone blush/romantic/smooch with them.
If the two of them really did realize their past feelings for one another (even this is up for debate), the sudden kiss is still awkward. If I loved a girl when I was in elementary school (that is… if you can truely love in that mature, romantic sense at that age), I still wouldn’t suddenly kiss her if we ran into each other and realized it.
Even though a Nayuki ending still doesn’t seem possible to me (slim chance from what I take, even though some others think these turn of events increase the Nayuki ending chance), I’m still gonna cheer for Nayuki, haha.
Too bad all of the girls are too one-dimensional and boring.
Mr. Admin added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 12:19 amhmmm, we must wait and watch. The kiss was too sudden, i was specting more re-heat before this happening but it’s ok, this is not the first time this remake make me say “WTF?” so, I’m calm!! DAMN WHY SO SUDDEN WHY!!!? As i wrote i’m calm…
Kojak added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 7:54 amWell, let me take the minority position here, then. You have two folks who have been living together under the same roof for some time. Just because we don’t see them spending time everyday doesn’t mean they aren’t. We have them growing closer throughout the episode, going out on the balcony at night together, and sharing experiences with Makoto as well as helping with Akiko.
Then, late one afternoon, they both expose some very raw, painful emotions, to the point where they’re both near tears, and suddenly that rush of emotions leads to a kiss. I find that very plausible myself. Not that there is MUCH romance there, but that you have two people who are hurting and grieving, and find some comfort in one another. Just consider all the stories of people sent to comfort a grieving friend after the loss of their spouse who suddenly find themselves wrapped up together. Is this REALLY that different?
NaweG added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 8:34 am@NaweG: That’s actually my hypothesis about why the scene would make any sense. As I told Impz earlier, they are both in a state of intense emotions and can easily mis-attribute those strong emotions resulting in their lovey-dovey moment.
Now in no ways am I saying that the two don’t have feelings for each other. From Uguu’s standpoint, I can take the idea that she has essentially not changed since her child self, and views U1 in the same light as she did before. U1 however, does not convince me. Sure, he constantly has flashbacks to Uguu and his past relationship, but that still doesn’t flesh out any feelings he might have.
He may have loved her once, but KA never shows any buildup oh his and her relationship (bar this episode). It is true. The two live under the same roof and spend much time with each other, and thus may have connected, but KA doesn’t ever “build up” to it.
Now in regards to the flashbacks being this missing link, I still am not convinced. I’m sure U1 may have already pieced his and Uguu’s past together, but once again, it is never fleshed out.
For example, this is the first episode (that I remember) where Uguu and U1 have many instances of one-on-one interaction. She talks to him about him comforting her in the past, and how she will reciprocate this, etc. I skimmed through the episode, and there are only two instances of such a flashback: the intro and the segment in the middle with Uguu on a tree. For an episode that is finally Uguu centric (that is even up to debate, since 1/2 is Nayuki), that still isn’t enough to lead up to a kiss.
Time and time again poor Yuuichi has expended considerable energys in sexing up the ladies, only to have them die or drop before the payoff.
He’s not gonna make that mistake again with Haremette #4.
He’s gonna start at second base with Ayu-Ayu in hopes of hitting third before she croaks.
Accusations of lolipedo be damned.
So the kiss out of was all part of a prudent and logical plan that represents the goal of all seventeen year old boys; and that goal is to get some.
philip72 added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 11:00 amMr. Admin - that was my complaint about the kiss; it came out of nowhere, for no reason, and with no hint of dramatic or romantic tension between them at ALL. It’s like he was making a move on ‘mind-of-a-child’ Mikoto - he didnt’ ACT like he was lusting after Mikoto, so if he’d bedded her at that point… well, there’d have been howls of protest over it, because there was no reason for him to have done so… just like this kiss here.
Now if this was Mai, I could maybe understand that… at least they’ve HAD some past together, some scenes together, which led to that cute ’sleeping on Yuiichi’ thing back before she tried to kill herself.
Haesslich added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 11:07 am@Tim: I did read your comment and attempted to address it. I can understand your assertions involving Uguu, however, U1 really doesn’t have a reason.
You argue that he essentially forgot about the past, but then remembered it thus leading to the kiss. My reasoning is, this is highly improbably and unrealistic. Sure, this is an anime, but what bothered me and many others is that it was a little “too” unrealistic. Even if U1 did finally remember his past with Uguu, he wouldn’t kiss her on the spot. Emotions do not resurface that quickly, nor do they manifest with so little buildup. If any reason were probable, it would be the psychological explanation of his misattributed wave of powerful emotions (grief over Makoto, almost Mai and almost (?) Shiori) towards Uguu.
Mr. Admin added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 4:22 pmWhich aspect of it do you find unrealistic? Yuuichi is established to have forgotten about his past with Ayu hitherto to the start of the Kanon story (his amnesia is a plot point referenced quite often in the game, though less in the anime, and there is a good reason for it). Thereafter, as the game progresses, it comes back to him - piece by piece.
It is actually quite common for amnesia victims IRL to alter their personalities, and their interactions with others as their memories resurface, and certainly it is a plot device used often in fiction. In any case, it is the past relationship in Kanon that inarguably is meant to provide the backbone of the present one; not just with the case, but ain all other respects, Yuuichi’s dreams/ memories constitute all the development his relationship with Ayu is given. As she is the girl of his memories, so he becomes the boy.
Tim added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 7:28 pm@Tim: I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree then, lol. I guess I just don’t see it through your viewpoint. Oh well, let’s just enjoy the show. XD
Mr. Admin added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 8:33 pmActually, when I first played through the game I had a similar reaction to the one everyone seems to be having now; it was only on subsequent play throughs that I really realised that the development was supposed to be coming from the flashbacks themselves. They provoke definite, albeit gradual, changes in Yuuichi’s attitude towards Ayu and his personality in general. I can understand not really liking that - it epitomises the Promised One archetype, in many respects, and I know a lot of people have problems with that - but really, you’re not going to enjoy much of Ayu’s story, and the remainder of Kanon more generally, if you reject it out of hand. Because Yuuichi and Ayu really aren’t given any romantic development that does not come from their flashbacks.
That’s probably why Shiori’s was always my favourite story, even though Ayu is my favourite girl.
Tim added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 8:55 pmWhether or not it’s realistic for his personality to shift as an amensiac’s one thing. The stance that Mr. Admin seems to be taking, and which I agree with, is that it just feels too sudden to suddenly kiss Ayu. Whether or not he remembered her as the girl he made a promise to, all those years back, doesn’t matter unless he’s remembered it.. and at this point, he doesn’t appear to be in full possession of all the memories which count, much less a ‘like’ which goes beyond ’she’s cute and lives with me and is pretty sweet if a tad odd’.
It’s just that it appears very suddenly - it’s like a Gundam SEED where Kira killed Athrun back in Episode 1 instead of merely staring at him in disbelief; there was no buildup of angst, combat, or other things to make something like that happen then… and it’s similarly shocking here because it just comes out of the blue, like a UFO that suddenly lands on a girlish boy strolling in the mountains, killing him in the process.
Haesslich added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 8:55 pmHmm, flagged as spam. :p
“Whether or not he remembered her as the girl he made a promise to, all those years back, doesn’t matter unless he’s remembered it.. and at this point, he doesn’t appear to be in full possession of all the memories which count, much less a ‘like’ which goes beyond ’she’s cute and lives with me and is pretty sweet if a tad odd’.”
He’s actually in possession of all the memories bar two - and these tend to be of a somewhat negative nature. The recollection of Ayu that we see at the beginning of episode 19 details Yuuichi and Ayu’s relationship at its brightest; hence, I would say that Yuuichi IS in ‘full possession of all the memories which count.’ At the very least, he remembers enough to know that there was a romantic attachment between them. Certainly, it would explain his sudden bashfulness around her in this episode (this was the first dream memory with overtly romantic undertones, after all).
Tim added these pithy words on Feb 10 07 at 9:06 pmCurious - is there a reason my comments have been deleted?
Tim added these pithy words on Feb 11 07 at 3:17 amArr, Tim, It’s due to spam karma. I am actually retrieving your messages as I type this ^+^.
< – is the person who checks everyday to make sure that no legitimate comments are coming up instead of being spam karma-ed.
*grumbles*
no worries!
Spam Karma hates Ayu, it seems. Must’ve been written by a Shiori or Sayuri fan.
I still wonder WHY they’d suddenly jump into the kiss - or at least the full lips-on-lips thing, especially after Jun’s comments about dating grade-schoolers. There’s still not enough buildup here, and whether he’s dreaming about these memories or actually consciously recalling them, I’d have liked to see a BIT more buildup, like a kiss the next episode so we’ve more time to roll everything onto that stage.
At this stage, I would still consider it Kira killing Athrun without warning and with just a few flashbacks, in Episode One, rather than him trying to kill Athrun in Ep 29 after Tolle bites the dust.
Haesslich added these pithy words on Feb 11 07 at 8:23 pm
